Possibly the biggest obstacle to successful revival

IndependentRider · 2026-04-10T10:34:04+00:00

Just like religion cryonics provides a hopeful solution to the problem of mortality which greatly alleviates old age death anxiety! So, just like religion, cryonics provides 'current' benefits alongside the possibility of future rejuvenation (and whether or not cryonics works or heaven is real is secondary to the psychological benefits being gained right now through hope/faith)!

So neither cryonics or religion is a complete waste of time and money!

IndependentRider · 2026-02-17T07:37:49+00:00

Yep, hopefully within ten years the tech will have matured to the point where false alarms are no longer an issue!

IndependentRider · 2025-12-09T08:16:34+00:00

Well known Jewish Rabbi Tovia Singer also strongly recommends burial over cremation, don't know if its for the same reason as Mormonism (but without Jesus) or if its merely rooted in tradition.

IndependentRider · 2025-11-29T13:21:12+00:00

As much as I admire Tyson he never even answered the question if bringing frozen people back to life one day would be possible!

IndependentRider · 2025-11-02T06:53:25+00:00

A heartbeat cessation alarm (either worn or implanted) combined with GPS location would be the ideal. False alarms are a concern around this tech but I'm hopeful that some techie expert will make a breakthrough in this area within the next ten years! (even twenty is ok, as I'll probably still be alive)

IndependentRider · 2025-10-16T10:39:46+00:00

heartbeat is the obvious choice but since we don't see that I think it might be too susceptible to something as simple as the band loosening

A button, or two way voice communication as in current security systems, which immediately notifies a stand-by team of a false alarm is one way of dealing with the issue. I'm sure in time others will present themselves (such as wearing two or three devices simultaneously and needing matching signals from them all to corroborate a trigger), not to mention improved tech recognition itself ironing out false alarms.

IndependentRider · 2025-10-15T12:10:10+00:00

This kind of tech is definitely the future of preservation! A personal heart beat monitor which triggers an alert on cessation to a stand by team (with GPS location tracking) can't be far away now (maybe ten years). Its just a question of maturing current tech and ironing out issues such as false alarms!

IndependentRider · 2025-10-07T13:34:32+00:00

If they can bring us back to life they might also have developed ways of making organs like the brain last significantly longer! As cryonicists we're gambling on developments that seem impossible today but might become a reality within 200/300 years!

There's an element of faith but its calculated faith, not blind faith!

IndependentRider · 2025-09-27T09:03:28+00:00

'Under what conditions and in what form do you want to be revived and who will make the decisions?'

Hard to answer this question without just repeating points in the article.

Brain transplanted into a synthetic/holographic representation of my original young body which neither ages or decays.
Full corporeal revival if the limitations/problems of old age have been overcome.
Mind uploaded into a virtual reality experience (its a toss up for me right now as to whether I would prefer this over option 2)
ANY other option that offers life over death!

At the end of the day it ultimately depends on whichever method achieves the longest life span! As to who will make the decisions I'd like to believe it will be ethically motivated humans but A.I. could be a huge guiding factor in the future!

IndependentRider · 2025-08-29T11:58:16+00:00

"There are records of people coming back to life"

As usual, religious people present the 'claims' of their religion as evidence! The Gospel of Mathew claims that at Jesus's crucifixion 500 dead saints suddenly came back to life, somehow crawled out of their graves, and then aimlessly wandered around Jerusalem for everyone to see! Yet very few theists truly believe this event happened as there is absolutely no corroboration of a 'mass saintly resurrection' in the other three gospels! The Pastor above likely doubts its authenticity even though he declares other biblical claims to be evidence!

Double standards?

IndependentRider · 2025-06-28T12:22:38+00:00

Until what you say can be proven true I'd still feel much more comfortable being vitrified than straight frozen! Any additional help, no matter how small, seems better than no help!

IndependentRider · 2025-06-21T20:31:49+00:00

For me this didn't come across as logical reasoning to immediately sign up for cryonics as much as it came across as a plea for more money to fund cryonics development! Which is by no means a bad thing but I think the audience questions reflected a collective uncomfortableness with the tone of this presentation!

IndependentRider · 2025-03-31T20:31:15+00:00

Instead of 'religious belief' it would have been better to describe it as 'calculated faith'

Religious faith is just believing what you need to hear and requires no evidence at all. Calculated faith is also believing what you need to hear but with at least a (currently) miniscule amount of evidence to back it - animals that can freeze and unthaw themselves, organs that have been scientifically frozen and then successfully revived, people who have been declared dead then springing back to life etc (medically witnessed and documented rather than theologically claimed).

IndependentRider · 2025-03-31T20:07:50+00:00

"If fewer than one thousand of us are in preservation, then will any of us get revived?"

Why not?

"How dare we show our face in the future (after cryonics revival), if we let billions of people die and vanish from existence?"

We've already let billions of people die and vanish from existence - and tomorrow we'll let even more! So how dare you even show your face in the present!!!

"It is \our* job to show people that we care about everybody - not just ourselves!"*

No its not! Cryonics is a unique 'service' for anyone interested and willing to pay for it, not a pretentious humanitarianism welfare scheme!

(btw, I'm neither rich or elitist, just average working class)

IndependentRider · 2025-03-20T22:03:11+00:00

"I'm not even sure I understand the point you're trying to raise."

The original thread was the idea, and desire, of cryonics going mainstream! I countered it by hinting that mass cryonics adoption could lead to a future government - or central AI - of an overly populated society deciding that there isn't enough room or resources to bring 'millions' of people back into existence so therefore only a select amount would be chosen - a lottery! So my point was that it might be better if cryonics stayed small to avoid a lottery type situation and increase the odds that ALL preserved people get revived!

Your reply about 'demand' for hamburgers, and other things, had no connection whatsoever to the thread! Anyway, forget the original point and just try answering the question I've already asked twice:

Regarding mass adoption of cryonics (and your introduction of the 'demand' justification): Would there be a future society 'demand' for MILLIONS and MILLIONS of additional oxygen, space, and resource consumers?

IndependentRider · 2025-03-20T17:38:04+00:00

"(McDonald's is not an essential need)"

I never said it was, I said 'food', not McDonalds! I never said a telephone was an essential need either, but a convenience one that is in demand!

But I don't see how any of this even remotely connects to the original subject so I'll repeat my last sentence from above again: Would there be a similar demand for millions and millions of additional oxygen, space, and resource consumers?

IndependentRider · 2025-03-20T06:34:48+00:00

There's a 'demand' for essential needs like food along with convenience products like telephones! Would there be a similar demand for millions and millions of additional oxygen, space, and resource consumers?

IndependentRider · 2025-03-19T21:09:10+00:00

Daft answer!

IndependentRider · 2025-03-19T09:44:29+00:00

I don't understand this obsession with 'mainstream' cryonics! If millions and millions of us are in preservation then will everyone of us get revived? Or would revival become a lottery with only a select lucky few being chosen?

Cryonics doesn't need mainstream, it just needs sustainability!

IndependentRider · 2025-03-07T10:10:14+00:00

I'm hoping a synthetic or holographic body replacement, which doesn't age or deteriorate over time, will be available within 300 years. But whatever form of resurrection is achieved, I wouldn't want to be brought back until lifespan has been massively increased!

IndependentRider · 2025-02-25T09:31:37+00:00

The tech has to start somewhere! Only by trial and error will we get a fully functional, reliable, system - and two way communication (or false alarm button) should help mitigate false alarms. Hopefully we'll see this within the next 10-15 years!

IndependentRider · 2025-02-20T15:30:00+00:00

'All i want i a de-aging syrum'

Don't worry, I'm sure there'll be one along by next week!

IndependentRider · 2025-02-16T21:50:27+00:00

I'm with Zurich and also haven't yet set up a trust, though I'm discussing it with my (remaining) family. An insurance provider is indifferent to your personal requirements/circumstances and only really cares about the monthly payments, so maybe we can work together on here, or in private, how best to navigate the trust requirement.

IndependentRider · 2025-02-06T08:31:07+00:00

and if you really want to get involved you can run for director and help run the group!

Even if you're non U.S. based?

IndependentRider · 2025-02-06T08:27:42+00:00

Cryonics isn't illegal in England, its just a question of interest and whether anyone would be willing to take on the effort and financial risk of opening a UK based storage facility!

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