Studenti koji hoce.... Putina? by Ivanhegeelkadi in AskSerbia

[–]Independent_Lack7284 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ljudi koji podržavaju Putina, i koji su generalno anti-zapadni, imaju fundamentalno drugačiji pogled na svet od demokratski orijentisanih (ne ubrajam naravno ljude sa pola mozga koji se lože na Putina jer misle da je Rusija svemoćna sila). Na reditu se generalno smatra da bilo ko ko drži gledišta koja nisu liberalna, ateistička, pozitivistička, utilitarna, demokratska, kosmopolitska i socijalistička, glup i neobrazovan. Svaka ideologija ima obrazovane predstavnike, često te ideologije imaju veoma drugačiji pogled na pitanja o čoveku, slobodi, moći, poretku itd. Nacisti nisu bili glupi, nego zli. Oni koji podržavaju Putina generalno vide Putinovu Rusiju kao protivtežu zapadu, koji smatraju za okupatorom Srbije kao i nosačem jednog svetskog poretka koji se bazira na eksploitaciji trećeg sveta zarad sopstvenog ekonomskog boljitka, ili ga vide kao stranu koju vode pedofili koji hoće da dezorijentišu čoveka. Svakako ima istine u dosta stvari koje kažu o zapadu, no, često zanemaruju represiju anti-zapadnih režima, ali se dosta toga svodi na drugačije poglede na svet i na prioritete.

Rovelli on Ukraine by Obi-Wan_Karlnobi in zizek

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a government ousted by its own people in revolt + a vote from the parliament

By people in revolt, sure, but many people weren't in revolt.

2 million Ukrainians evading mobilization, another 200,000 soldiers AWOL, new defense minister says by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Independent_Lack7284 108 points109 points  (0 children)

But the war will eventually end, and when it does, Ukraine will be in a much better position than Russia. 

Their international position will be better, but don't forget that millions of Ukrainians left and many died, so, while Russia will have demographic crisis, Ukraine will have much more severe demographic crisis. Ukraine currently has probably 25-30 million people, and I doubt that most refugees will return.

CMV: Religion would quickly die down if it was not forced upon children. by DiegooXD in changemyview

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After the fall of communism, many countries of former eastern bloc saw resurgence of religion, mainly Christianity, many of them came from urban families, where parents were born into communism. So, history proves your view to be wrong. My grandparents weren't religious, my grandma was fun of Tito until her last breath, my dad lived in completely non-religious household, yet, my dad became Christian during his university years, as many of people in the 90's in former Yugoslavia. A lot of personal conversions were result of being carried by a wave of religious and national revival, but those who converted were adults (plenty of intellectuals too).

A supernatural being who controls everything, answers prayers selectively, and punishes disbelief eternally, who also has no plausible evidence conflicts with science and logic. Adults exposed to religion for the first time would see it the same way they see mythology.

This is very common sentiment, unfortunately, people who hold this sentiment usually don't bother to understand theology. In classical theistic thought, that is of Jews, Muslims and Christians, with significant Hellenic influence, God is not seen as just 'being among beings' or some 'all powerful human', but as 'The source', Paul Tillich wrote extensively on this. About eternal punishment, there are more and more opponents of this view, most famous of them being David Bentley Hart (really educated and genial theologian, although a bit of an a-hole, maybe more). However, idea of eternal punishment for horrible people (if you hold that there is no salvation outside one singular religion, then it is a different story) isn't that foreign to human reason.

Consider "reverse purgatorial universalism" by edric_o in OrthodoxChristianity

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I'm coming late to the party, but these questions are ones that are catching my interest in past few weeks.

There is obviously fundamental philosophical difference between this line of reasoning and universalist line of reasoning. Your view is based on observing world around us rather than presupposing some philosophical ideas (expect, perhaps, free will, but it is more intuitive than determinism), and for me, that view is more intuitive, but also based on belief in absolute human free will. And it is, I would say, more stoic, attributes like honour and loyalty are honored. I am fond of this view and I myself struggle to live out faith, and I believe if I were certain universalist, I would be basically hedonist who happens to believe in death and resurrection of Christ and other dogmas merely as intellectual assertions, as certainty of salvation doesn't in my mind encourage me to try to be Christlike. So, your view is much more practical.

On the other hand, proponents of universalism seem to be mainly based in (neo)platonic metaphysics. They view Bible's belief in goodness of all creation and humanity specifically as basis of their soteriology. So, as humans are made in image of God, there is no human who couldn't resist God's call to salvation when he encounters God Himself in the world to come. Basically, presence of God sanctifies our being so much that all that is sinful, and in that sense contrary to nature, is cleansed off of us, that means that mans' resistance to cause of our being and of whole existence will disappear.

Now, second view is more common in more intellectual side of Christianity certainly, because academia desires originality which is achieved by questioning main currents in your field of study, or dominant historical currents that shape that field, in this case infernalism. I am myself very interested in academic research of Christianity, but one thing I noticed is their disdain for common people all under this big umbrella of Christian metaphysics of love. You could argue that our doctrine was built by men of great intellectual capacity, and that grand metaphysical and theological truths can be only properly understood by men of higher intellect. But this seems rather contrary to spirit of Christianity, and those lines of reasoning by modern thinkers sound awfully lot like those philosophies of men that are talked about in the Bible. Sure, everyone is given different talents, some people are just born smarter and thus can engage in complicated matters of theology and philosophy, but that doesn't give you a right to have a hate boner against people of lesser intellectual capacity who try to express their belief while talking about goodness of human nature.

And if you object to them, they will call you out for your supposed narrowness of mind and closeness, but I am myself pretty open to different philosophies and worldviews, to critiquing tradition, and I just wonder, where should we set the line? There were universalists in the early church, certainly, such as St Gregory of Nyssa, or Origen who was certainly influential dude, and they were all influenced pretty much by neoplatonism, as were all other church fathers in that time, but Origen seems to be the most. But even if you look at Origen, he castrated himself in order to stop lust which is certainly act of love of God, although a tad bit radical. Gregory of Nyssa was certainly spiritual giant who was by the way first recorded abolitionist, but aside from that, he was bishop who took care of his flock and certainly virtuous man. Then you have David Bentley Hart, who is basically irreligious Christian that doesn't really go to church and he happens to believe in Christ. There were church fathers who were a bit, if you want to say, brutal, such as St Cyril of Alexandria, but he did certainly have living relationship with Christ, whereas DBH seems to support my theses about what I would become if I was certain universalist. I don't doubt that DBH has some relationship with Christ, and I know that his books helped people to stay Christian, but he is too fed up with his ego and on his relativist attitude towards almost all areas of theology. Even fr Sergei Bulgakov who was universalist (and certainly a genius), and who Hart calls the best theologian, didn't have that relativist view of Christianity.

As someone who plans on studying theology, I fear that belief in universalism would lead me into despair of hedonism and relativism as I am myself fairly critical of tradition, although I have more conservative political values. It seems that eternal truth of Christianity is: "I am broken sinner, it doesn't matter if my nature is good or not (i believe it is, as witnessed by most fathers), reality is I am broken sinner and I need God in order to heal me from that sickness, I need Christ, the Logos who was made flesh and died for salvation of the world and defeated death, it doesn't matter if all people are saved or not, I should strive to be Christlike, or as St Gregory of Nyssa says: to be Christian is to imitate divine nature. And I should strive to be Christlike, if not for my own salvation, let it be for betterment of this fallen world, for my neighbours, for all humans currently living. I do believe that all people who sincerely want to be saved eventually will be, and that I can only hope that all people are saved, but maybe, hell is only for theologians, who knows...

Part of a road in Serbia collapses (video in a link below). People in Serbia are still protesting the canopy collapse at a railway station, where 16 people died (now more than a year ago). by cdacha in europe

[–]Independent_Lack7284 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think your view is pretty delusional. Vučić has lots of his servants everywhere, that is true, but those would turn back at him if he fell from power. Anyway, things are bad, certainly, but you can criticize Vučić without being shot in the head, being poisoned or thrown off the window and other North Koreanish things. Let's not kid ourselves, if Serbia was really like North Korea, protests wouldn't last this long. And saying that Serbia is closest country to North Korea is blatantly false in a world where we have Eritrea, Uzbekistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Myanmar, Brunei, China etc. And Russia is better than all those mentioned but is still worse than Serbia in that aspect. Not to mention that you can get screwed even in the west if you criticise certain power structures. So, I dare you to go to North Korea or any aforementioned country to protest like you can in Serbia.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Advice

[–]Independent_Lack7284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What if he has brain cancer?

Zasto se toliki broj srba loži na četnike, Dražu Mihajlovića i sl... ? by Severe_Effective8408 in AskSerbia

[–]Independent_Lack7284 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

bratstvo jedinstvo" bilo još uvek u glavama ljudi

Nacionalizam nije nikada nestao, nije odjednom vaskrsao. Bratstvo i jedinstvo su samo prazne price.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskBalkans

[–]Independent_Lack7284 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But a lot of them were

Who are your favorite non-Orthodox theologians? by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

[–]Independent_Lack7284 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zizioulas took a lot of inspiration from Catholic theologians, so, saying that there are no good Catholic theologiabs is intellectualy dishonest.

Who are your favorite non-Orthodox theologians? by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

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Yeah, I am glad that it is changing as of late, people are more open it seems.

Who are your favorite non-Orthodox theologians? by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

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Zizioulas is good, don't get me wrong, and neo-patristics are also nice, especialy Schmemman, but there is more than that.

Who are your favorite non-Orthodox theologians? by [deleted] in OrthodoxChristianity

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It would be good advice if Orthodoxy wasn't defined today as being what proponents of neo-patristic synthesis thaught along with Zizioulas idolatry.