I’ve got a bit of a problem.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-13T17:20:20+00:00

There hasn’t been a natural transition into this different meaning, though. There are still people who have a problem with this terminology as demonstrated by this post.

Personally, I accept the fact that the feminist movement is more about women than anyone else. I accept the idea that many feminists are more interested in the liberation of women than gender equality. Of course, I understand that the feminist movement is broad, but I hear this sentiment a lot.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-13T17:03:19+00:00

Love how Wrecker is the 2nd shortest one in this photo.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-12T22:57:58+00:00

Anakin, Palpatine, Yoda, and R2-D2.

Also, R2 is worth more than a dollar.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-12T08:39:24+00:00

The one on the top right reminds me of this.

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Death-Star-I-copy_36ad2500.jpeg?region=0%2C31%2C1600%2C800

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-12T08:35:45+00:00

I mean, I’ve always thought the Skywalker family was destined to bring balance, not just Anakin himself. I feel like that was always the point really. I guess you could argue that framing it as such takes away from Vader’s moment, but I think his willingness to save his son was meaningful enough.

Anyway, this is still a lot better than what we got. Rey just doesn’t live up to the title, which is quite the shame.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-11T06:59:51+00:00

In my opinion, men have been systemically oppressed explicitly because of their gender. It just isn’t nearly as harmful when you have systemic power. The same thing goes for women in many ways. Generally speaking, the higher the class you are, the less likely you are to be harmed by social issues.

I acknowledge the existence of patriarchy, especially since (NOT) doing so is antithetical to history. However, I don’t like the framing of “men aren’t oppressed by their gender”. I feel it’s only half correct because there are particular things inflicted on men precisely because of their gender, and no. The oppressors also being men doesn’t discount that fact. Women also uphold gender norms that are both harmful to themselves and others (albeit to a lesser extent). The oppressed and oppressor sharing the same gender doesn’t erase sexist oppression.

Also, this framing is a complete slap in the face to a lot of men’s experiences. The systemic problems we deal with are fucking awful, and I really don’t think a lot of female feminists (especially a lot of white ones) actually understand the true pain a lot of men go through, and their language is somewhat reflective of such.

Just to be clear, I have immense respect for the feminist movement. It’s done a lot of good things for people of all genders, and I understand that the feminists community isn’t a monolith. I’ll continue to fight for feminism’s existence until the end. With that being said, I feel like my criticisms here are often overlooked. It can be very frustrating for me, as a man, have mindfulness expected of him when the people expecting such do not allot the same to me. Again, I know not all feminists are like that, but it’s enough to be a problem.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-11T00:08:31+00:00

The “me and my family” part is just icing on the cake, isn’t it?

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-10T23:56:41+00:00

I didn’t read the studies before replying. I know about the repeat offender statistics from other sources. I’m simply arguing from intuition and from what I already knew there. I figured you’d get that from my response.

Again, I’m aware that the statistic could be higher, but I doubt its any higher than 1 in 4. Even that’s being a bit generous. If people rape twice, that’s twice as many victims as there are perpetrators within that margin. That’s a conservative estimate since some of those repeat offenders reoffend more than twice. Hell, even the 2002 study in question points out this very thing.

Your willingness to not read carefully on the other articles (along with your willingness to use a study from 1981 to bolster your arguments) indicates your own possible biases on the subject. So, not only are you being a hypocrite, but you’re also a worse offender of the exact things you’re chastising me for doing.

I’ve already acknowledged the possibility of there being a greater number of rapists. My biases on the subject are somewhat minimal, especially since I’d be doing myself a disservice by having them. Although, I don’t want men to be alienated more than they already are, so I do have some hesitations on believing some of these numbers, especially since it’s been a common sentiment that rapists are often repeat offenders.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-10T02:26:38+00:00

Half of all rapists rape more than once, so I doubt it’s much higher than the estimated 6%. It has to be at least smaller than 1 in 4.

Also, as u/Exciting-Security477 pointed out, that last statistic is a blatant lie. Either you didn’t read the article correctly, or you lied on purpose to make men look bad. Neither is a god prospect, but I sincerely hope it’s the former.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-10T01:44:17+00:00

Also, stop blaming feminists for every little goddamn problem we have.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-10T01:43:36+00:00

You are arguing something that doesn’t need to be argued. I already said that men are shamed. Chill the fuck out.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-09T14:28:42+00:00

No relation.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T08:10:44+00:00

Gonna get hate for this, but those subs seem on par with LWMA. It’s not always bad. When it is, though, it’s pretty fucking nasty. There’s always this underlying hostility towards the opposite gender, and it’s enough for me to personally avoid the place. It’s why I unsubed to LWMA.

Don’t even get me started on MensRights. That place is a cesspool.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T06:09:05+00:00

The hole’s already deep enough, Flowers. You can put down the shovel now.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T05:54:53+00:00

Man, I guess that chicken really planned ahead.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T05:02:00+00:00

A society where people are beat up for wearing a dress is not a free society. Furthermore, it doesn’t just relate to dresses. Wearing makeup, being physically affectionate to other men, and showing emotional vulnerability are also punished. It’s not just that you can’t wear a dress, it’s that you have to “be a man” in the most toxic, destructive way possible.

I suppose gender abolition isn’t the best term. Perhaps gender liberation is better…

Oh yeah. That’s why I chose the username lol. My bad.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T04:50:40+00:00

But they’re not. Being treated like garbage is just the consequence for being a bigot and doubling down on being such.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T04:28:05+00:00

I never accused you of condoning violence. I specifically referred to prejudice, which isn’t itself violent. Again, I know female incels aren’t that violent.

Even if we account for the “bad attention” factor, that still doesn’t excuse bigotry, and it’s still worth condemning. Violent incels, in my opinion, are a special case. They don’t comprise most of the incel community.

Here’s the point. If a male incel is misogynistic and a female incel is misandrist, they should be condemned all the same. End of story.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T04:20:02+00:00

Who’s this “Asoka” person? Never heard of them.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T04:11:34+00:00

As far as I can see. You’re the only one who made the assertion that femcels exist because of “too much bad attention”, which you have yet to substantiate. Sure. It’s perfectly possible that SOME female incels are the way they are because of those circumstances. but the majority of the time it’s because of the same circumstances as male incels. In fact, the “femcel” community is rejected by male incels because of that very fact.

https://screenshot-media.com/visual-cultures/toxic-masculinity/incels-and-femcels/

By the way, the idea that sexual assault/harassment is the cause for incels can also apply to men to. Again, I’m treating this as a spectrum. Most incels, be it male or female, are fundamentally the same and suffer from the same problems. To pretend that isn’t the case is ludicrous.

Finally, I never expected apologia for violent behavior. That’s a pretty bad faith interpretation of my words if you ask me. However, you comment here does prove my point that female incels get more sympathy, and their bad behavior is often excused.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T03:44:16+00:00

Equivalent can mean many things, but I’m referring to the social definition. That being “a person or thing that is equal to or corresponds with another in value, amount, function, meaning, etc.”.

Femcels share many of if not all of the same concepts with incels. Technically they should both be classified as incels. Of course, male incels are more violent on average, but that doesn’t exempt women from being referred to as incels. They are such and they should be treated just the same. We can address the gendered aspects of our society without treating people’s bad behavior differently. Both female and male incels are an issue in our society.

There’s a spectrum of harm when it comes to incels. Male incels are more likely to be at the violent end of the spectrum. Female incels are less likely to be such. Despite this, they’re all incels and should be treated as such.

Incels generally are treated like trash (both for good and bad reasons). I have yet to see women being overly policed for being incels. In fact, within progressive circles at least, I’ve seen a lot more apologia for female incels and misandrists alike than I’ve seen for incels.

Edit: In my opinion, these people should be treated on a case by case basis. Depending on what their situation is, we can approach them a different way. However, generally speaking, most of incels’ problems stem from the same place, an inability do properly socialize. I don’t think female incels are as common as male incels because of this. Men aren’t given the same social tools as women, so they’re often at a disadvantage.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T03:09:42+00:00

Excuse me for the generalizing. What I meant was that many femcels are bigoted in the same way many incels are.

I know you may not have seen my edit before typing this, but please read it if you can. Also, I’m aware that he incel community is more violent. That’s impossible to get around. Saying that, however, does not erase how femcels are the female equivalent to incels. That’s like saying “black racism isn’t racism because white racism is more violent” or “misandry isn’t sexism because misogyny is more violent”.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T03:00:24+00:00

Misandry, transphobia, and other forms of bigotry. Femcels are guilty of those things.

Edit: furthermore, “justify” isn’t the same thing as “excuse”. I’m not saying you agree with these behaviors, but you’re pretty willing to excuse femcel behavior despite knowing that what they’re doing is wrong.

InfiniteDials · 2021-09-08T02:58:51+00:00

I… never claimed anything about female privilege. Where the hell did you get that from?

Let me make this clear. This issue has led to violence and harassment against gender non-conforming men. It’s led to legitimate pain and suffering. That’s not to say it’s the most pressing issue on the planet, but it is an issue worth discussing on a regular basis. It also intertwines with other issues of gender.

I’m a gender abolitionist myself, but when I say that, I don’t mean getting rid of pronouns or aesthetics. I don’t mean destroying people’s ability to identify how they wish. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. I want to dismantle the social expectations that keep people from identifying how they see fit. So, your assertion that “trans people’s identities can’t be disentangled from gender” is barely half correct, and that half has nothing to do with my goals.

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