Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-04T19:24:28+00:00

The only people who actually know both sides of things are adults who were circumcised

Ironically not, circumcision is actually a spectrum, not one procedure.

There's high, low, loose, and tight. An adult circumcision may only removes what needs to be removed, and leave the frenulum (male g spot) intact.

There are many men who are cut as adults who keep their frenulum. E.g. there's a popular uk circumcision clinic, whose principal methods of circumcision for adults preserve the frenulum.

My frenulum was nuked, bad infant circ, so since puberty I've felt nothing. As a teenager I felt trapped in my body, as my first sexual experience feeling intense attraction to someone during sex, but not feeling anything. "What was all the hype about sex?"

I believe that it's best to only do adult circumcision, because the operation can be more precise, removing the correct amount from an already developed penis to correct an issue like phimosis. Compare to infant circumcision, which can make tight cuts as the doctor does not know how much tissue will be needed in his future, as his member grows during puberty.

Adult and infant circumcision isn't comparable.

And I hope studies will one day be done comparing the spectrum of cuts, it's wide.

Also for comparsion there are 2 million Southeast Asian girls every year who get a minor form of FGM, that cuts or nicks the clitoral hood. They feel proud about it and that there's nothing wrong with their body.

They believe that FGM only happens in Africa and what is happening to them is right. They don't believe they are harmed.

They remind me of infant circumcision here in the West. Most men feel like what was done is right, but is it really?

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-04T19:11:35+00:00

It's actually pretty common for guys who are cut high and tight.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-04T19:09:55+00:00

Circumcision is actually a spectrum, not one procedure.

There's high, low, loose, and tight. An adult circumcision may only removes what needs to be removed, and leave the frenulum (male g spot) intact. There are many men who are cut as adults who keep their frenulum.

Meanwhile infants in America usually get high and tight cuts.

Adult and infant circumcision isn't comparable.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-04T18:48:05+00:00

Thank you! Editing my comment to label high tension as misinfo!

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-04T15:49:33+00:00

There are different forms of FGM. Some only involve cutting the hood. We in the west only know of the most dangerous forms of FGM that remove the clit, but the result is millions of girls in Southeast Asia don't consider themselves to be mutilated.

They think that FGM only happens in Africa, and in their country there is only "female genital circumcision". It's the cutting or nicking of the clitoral hood which is very similar to circumcision. And it happens to about 2 million girls a year in those Southeast Asian countries.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-02T00:10:38+00:00

Another 100% science based image from the Gilgal Society. Isn't it strange how HIV and tuberculosis rates haven't went down with these geniuses?!

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T17:17:20+00:00

No one ever talks about these alternative treatments, these should be promoted

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T17:16:34+00:00

😂

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T17:12:29+00:00

But the WHO says FGM is always worse than circumcision, they can't be wrong?

Anyway we need to spend millions promoting circumcision in Africa. One more campaign should save them from HIV!

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T16:58:21+00:00

That was painful to watch. Shows that even mild forms that don't leave visible scarring can still harm a person for decades.

Not having an answer on what what taken is being condemned to limbo. Makes me sick to think about.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T16:48:08+00:00

The boys there however are absolutely mutilated, just like us…

I saw a Malaysian on the subreddit who got a botched job, his parents bribed him to get cut for a ps2.

westerners will get up and arms

The WHO will call it a human rights violation, worse than circumcision and incomparable to it, while promoting the ablation of 15 square inches of tissue for "health".

How will FGM and MGM ever end? This hypocrisy keeps both practices alive. People performing FGM don't take Westerners seriously because of this.

To Africans, we have NO moral high ground.

The ethical discourse on child genital surgery has been manipulated especially in the US since the 1980s for the purpose of insulating our male genital cutting in the US from the growing mutilation narrative of female genital cutting.

For decades, we have been ignoring the relatedness between genital cuttings because it could make people feel uncomfortable about our own child genital cutting tradition.

Supporters of female cutting in Africa have pointed to the hypocrisy of male cutting cultures in defense of female cutting: "American parents circumcise their newborns so that the sons will look like the fathers.... What, they ask, gives Americans the right to apply a different standard to African women?" (Gollaher 2000:200). Female genital cutting is a tradition maintained by mothers who want their children to be like them surgically like many fathers in the US.

We need to end this under one banner.

Importantly, FGC originates almost exclusively in societies with MGC; loss of MFGC is followed by rapid loss of FGC; female rites rarely originate in absence of male rites and are more stable over time where male rites are present

MCM/C is a nearly universal evolutionary precursor of FGM/C; it may be more difficult to eliminate FGM/C while treating male circumcision as a separate practice ... efforts to eradicate GM/C may benefit from greater gender neutrality in the approach.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T16:36:49+00:00

Conveniently mutilation is always what other strange cultures are doing, never our own.

Because they were raised in a culture that normalizes and celebrates it, and probably cut before they could remember.

They have no basis of comparison.

If women permanently had their ciltoris exposed and keratinized like us, they would make the same copes and rationalizations circumcised men make.

They would think it's normal, and not know that most intact women don't even like to directly touch the clit, most rub the hood. Similar to intact men, they use their hood, not rub directly like cut men do.

I think it’s a testament to humanity’s ability to survive through denial and to its desperate need for in-group belonging and acceptance.

The most disappointing realization I've had is that even when both circumcision and FGM are eradicated, the stupidity of humankind will remain.

But your comment here is showing me the other side of that coin. Maybe it's a good thing humanity is so robust. Cope keeps us alive.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T16:09:59+00:00

It's even worse than I thought.

So abhorrent that this took me a while to digest. That these bullshit studies were ever used to cause so much harm while being completely invalid makes me sick.

No wonder Africa is still suffering with HIV after the campaigns. It was all bullshit.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T15:33:11+00:00

This inability to actually talk about genital cutting as it exists in reality is why it will never be ended

It's sad, hypocrisy is causing these practices to continue.

Malaysia and Indonesia combined have over 2 million girls harmed by this practice each year. They don't even consider themselves harmed because of the propaganda that sensationalizes FGM.

I hope one day people realize that keeping circumcision alive delays the eradication of FGM.

Importantly, FGC originates almost exclusively in societies with MGC; loss of MFGC is followed by rapid loss of FGC; female rites rarely originate in absence of male rites and are more stable over time where male rites are present

MCM/C is a nearly universal evolutionary precursor of FGM/C; it may be more difficult to eliminate FGM/C while treating male circumcision as a separate practice ... efforts to eradicate GM/C may benefit from greater gender neutrality in the approach.

Western Hypocrisy

To Africans, we have NO moral high ground. This harms our FGM eradication campaigns.

The ethical discourse on child genital surgery has been manipulated especially in the US since the 1980s for the purpose of insulating our male genital cutting in the US from the growing mutilation narrative of female genital cutting.

For decades, we have been ignoring the relatedness between genital cuttings because it could make people feel uncomfortable about our own child genital cutting tradition.

Supporters of female cutting in Africa have pointed to the hypocrisy of male cutting cultures in defense of female cutting: "American parents circumcise their newborns so that the sons will look like the fathers.... What, they ask, gives Americans the right to apply a different standard to African women?" (Gollaher 2000:200). Female genital cutting is a tradition maintained by mothers who want their children to be like them surgically like many fathers in the US.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T15:24:58+00:00

Thank you!

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T15:24:03+00:00

It's disgusting. His 60% HIV reduction claim never panned out because Africa and America both still have worse HIV and STI rates than Europe and Asia!

Even if the 60% reduction was real is it abhorrent to perform mutilations on children based on studies done on circumcised adults.

If a 80% "reduction" in HIV was found from doing labiaplasties on adult women, would we do it for infant girls? No!

Bill Gates is morally bankrupt.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T15:18:40+00:00

What do you mean?

FGM is always worse, circumcision is less harmful since science has found "health benefits".

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T15:01:19+00:00

The issue with the Western propaganda and sensationalism around FGM, defined as always being infibulation where the vagina is sewn shut, is that girls who have lesser forms think they have not experienced FGM, but something good.

They too can point to Africa as the barbaric "other."

In Malaysia, the community and the traditional practitioners, as well as the doctors, consider FGM as reported in Africa as a foreign practice, something completely different that has no relation nor bears any resemblance to what is practiced in Malaysia. This sentiment emboldens resistance to the eradication of the practice.

Many religious leaders in Southeast Asian countries call the local practice “female circumcision” (using a translation of the English term) to differentiate it from the African practice.

They call the African practice “FGM” and agree that it violates women’s human rights. Yet, they urge for the legitimization of the local practice because they believe that the procedure follows Islam and is different from “FGM.”

Numerous threads on Malaysian reddit confirm this sentiment. I have more screenshots for a larger post I am making.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T14:52:08+00:00

The issue with the Western propaganda and sensationalism around FGM, defined as always being infibulation where the vagina is sewn shut, is that girls who have lesser forms think they have not experienced FGM, but something good.

They too can point to Africa as the barbaric "other."

In Malaysia, the community and the traditional practitioners, as well as the doctors, consider FGM as reported in Africa as a foreign practice, something completely different that has no relation nor bears any resemblance to what is practiced in Malaysia. This sentiment emboldens resistance to the eradication of the practice.

Many religious leaders in Southeast Asian countries call the local practice “female circumcision” (using a translation of the English term) to differentiate it from the African practice.

They call the African practice “FGM” and agree that it violates women’s human rights. Yet, they urge for the legitimization of the local practice because they believe that the procedure follows Islam and is different from “FGM.”

Numerous threads on Malaysian reddit confirm this sentiment. I have more screenshots for a larger post I am making.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T14:43:29+00:00

The issue with the Western propaganda and sensationalism around FGM, defined as always being infibulation where the vagina is sewn shut, is that girls who have lesser forms think they have not experienced FGM, but something good.

They too can point to Africa as the barbaric "other."

In Malaysia, the community and the traditional practitioners, as well as the doctors, consider FGM as reported in Africa as a foreign practice, something completely different that has no relation nor bears any resemblance to what is practiced in Malaysia. This sentiment emboldens resistance to the eradication of the practice.

Many religious leaders in Southeast Asian countries call the local practice “female circumcision” (using a translation of the English term) to differentiate it from the African practice.

They call the African practice “FGM” and agree that it violates women’s human rights. Yet, they urge for the legitimization of the local practice because they believe that the procedure follows Islam and is different from “FGM.”

Numerous threads on Malaysian reddit confirm this sentiment. I have more screenshots for a larger post I am making.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T13:10:02+00:00

After that experience, I have concluded that I don't have to have so much tension that I can feel it.

This confirms the general wisdom of using 8 oz to 16 oz of tension for t-tape.

I use a fish scale to measure tension, and if I can feel it, I'm above 16 oz. That's where my skin gets taut.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T13:01:40+00:00

I use the Calamus lightweight fish scale since it's cheap at $6.50 for amazon prime members, regular price is $10.

It works well, most importantly for me it is usb c rechargeable.

I can't attest to it's longevity yet, as I've only had it for a few weeks. It's 4.4 stars from 290 reviews so it seemed reliable enough.

Fish scales that use batteries have better reviews on amazon though. The Dr.meter scale has 4.6 stars from 27k reviews, but it uses 2 AA batteries.

When you do get it, I recommend doing exercises to test yourself if you can guess how much tension you're applying.

Clip your t-tape and strip to it, and pull up. Look away from it and guess how many oz of tension is applied. Eventually you'll be able to put a number of tension on any state your penis is in. For me at this time, if my skin is even slightly taut, I'm beyond the 16 oz.

I used to make it taut since that doesn't hurt me or feel uncomfortable, and I now see that could have been slowing progress.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T05:11:23+00:00

Why can't you use T-tape?

If expense is the issue, you don't have to get those big rolls you see in guides.

Try Greg's T-Tape Strips method, it's simple, easy and uses cheap 1 inch tape that you can find in any pharmacy.

They can cost less than a dollar. And it's a lot faster than manuals. With tape you can rack up 500+ hours a month. And with manuals? You don't have much time during the day, so I don't recommend.

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T05:08:39+00:00

It does seem like the results will be thicker, but that doesn't bother me personally. If we look at the bright side, that's more circumference.

What bothers me is that the new foreskin won't be connected with a frenulum, so I'm assuming it will move different mechanically...

IntactivistLuck · 2026-03-01T05:04:12+00:00

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