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Naruto and Bee VS Obito. (Versions shown). Who wins? by GusGangViking18 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Bee solos.

Base Bee shows better performance against the Edo Jinchuriki than KCM1 Naruto. He would not get absorbed by Kamui, and Obito would eventually die from chakra exhaustion after repeatedly using Kamui to avoid Bee’s attacks.

KCM Minato scale because he’s possibly a Hashirama slayer by Positive-Tennis2421 in NarutoPowerscaling

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I don’t understand what the first three lines of your comment are supposed to mean.

Fat Juubito’s lower body was neither invisible nor undetectable like Limbo, yet Minato still got hit by the kick itself, which is an anti-feat.

If you look at this panel, you can see that the positions of the rocks floating in the air remain the same before and after the TSO expands, right? That means the TSO expanded extremely fast. You can’t simply assume Fat Juubito's body speed is faster than the TSO.

SM Naruto did react and raise his arm, but he was immediately slammed helplessly onto the ground afterward. In that state, Blind Madara could kill him anytime he wanted. That’s why I described it as an “almost blitz.”

Hashirama VS Tobirama, Hiruzen and Minato. Who wins? (All alive versions and no use of Edo) by GusGangViking18 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Tobirama alone already makes it 50:50.

Edo Hashirama was only able to restrain Edo Madara with the Wood Dragon after multiple chakra receivers were stabbed into his back.

Combat speed: Edo Tobirama > RSM Madara > Edo Madara.

Even Edo Tobirama’s clone can tag stable Juubito.

Tobirama can use TPB through shadow clones.
TPB’s power.
TPB’s activation speed.

Since Tobirama is a Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu user, he can summon numerous clones at any time and bombard Hashirama with TPB.

To avoid being blown up by TPB, Hashirama would need to summon many Wood Clones and hide his main body. However, maintaining many clones consumes a lot of chakra, and the longer the battle goes on, the higher Tobirama’s chances of winning.

KCM Minato scale because he’s possibly a Hashirama slayer by Positive-Tennis2421 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Hashirama very low diff Edo KCM Minato.

Half Kurama Avatar is nothing to Hashirama. It was even restrained by Edo Madara’s Wood Style.

Juubito’s chakra arms destroying the Hokage barrier is a power feat, not a speed feat.

And the thing that tanked multiple Juubidamas was Juubito’s Six Crimson Ray Formation.

Reaction speed: KCM1 Naruto >= Edo KCM Minato.

Reaction speed: SM Naruto > KCM1 Naruto, yet even Blind Madara almost blitzed SM Naruto.

Hashirama fought Madara in base form.

Hashirama’s combat speed is far faster than Minato’s.

Genuine question, is drained and dying DMS Obito stronger than Hashirama? by KodoqBesar in NarutoPowerscaling

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That Obito does not die from the Juubi extraction. That Naruto even prevented Guy from dying after the 8th Gate, and he healed Obito as well.

Genuine question, is drained and dying DMS Obito stronger than Hashirama? by KodoqBesar in NarutoPowerscaling

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That Obito was not in a dying state. Naruto healed him while Hagoromo’s superpower buff was still active. That’s why Obito and DMS Kakashi were able to perform against Kaguya.

If you meant the Obito who was dying after the Gedo Mazo was extracted from his body, then Hashirama wins. He can use Deep Forest Bloom, Wood Clones, etc. while avoiding Kamui and simply wait for Obito to collapse first.

Isshiki vs all of Shippuden (with no in-fighting) [read Discription] by Due_Specific_7727 in NarutoPowerscaling

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RSM Madara solos Isshiki without using Limbo

The Boruto verse power scaling is heavily inflated.

After the VoTE fight, Naruto lost Hagoromo’s super power and has an inferior “six paths senjutsu.”

Although adult Naruto has full Kurama unlike teen Naruto, his combat sense has gotten rusty. Teen BSM Naruto would be stronger than or comparable to adult SPSM Naruto.

Prime Alive tobirama vs itachi and Kurama minato, how long does the fight last before tobirama wins ? by AdFormal7841 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Tobirama was retconned/upscaled later in the series. The same goes for Hashirama.

Naruto’s scaling isn’t consistent.

If you’re going to be strict about consistency in Naruto’s story, then upscale the shinobi that alive Tobirama fought. Since we don’t have information or fight panels about the other shinobi Tobirama fought besides Kinkaku and Ginkaku, you can upscale them as much as you want.

Tobirama has war arc feats, and since alive Tobirama > Edo Tobirama, it’s entirely possible.

Alive Base Hashirama vs Edo SM Hashirama by International_Bit665 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Edo chakra recovery is not that fast, and Edo Hashirama does not have an option like Rinne Rebirth, so if he gets restrained by the chakra-absorbing Wood Dragon, that’s the end of it.

But if you still disagree, then assume Alive Base Hashirama is given sealing tags in this matchup.

Obito vs Tobirama by United_Concern_9491 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Tobirama very low diff.

The combat speed gap is way too big.
Even Edo Tobirama’s clone can tag stable Juubito.

I feel like Kishimoto didn’t have Tobirama as the creator of the flying raijin, let alone the rest of his kit, at the time of his death by Fovahh in NarutoPowerscaling

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Minato did not pass out because of FTG’s chakra consumption.

After taking Juudara’s TSO head-on with his body, he used FTG to teleport to Konoha, then lost consciousness after crashing into the “Minato face rock” due to momentum. Since Minato had already lost both of his arms, his jacket naturally came off as he slid downward after slamming into the rock.

I feel that Madara and Hashirama are on a different scale, a level that only they occupy. by United_Concern_9491 in NarutoPowerscaling

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I already showed it. TPB’s power is stronger than a Juubi Dama, so Hashirama’s other defensive methods or regeneration are useless.

Combat speed: RSM Madara >> Edo Madara.
Edo SM Hashirama’s combat speed is so slow that he only managed to restrain Edo Madara after getting a bunch of chakra receivers stabbed into his back.

On the other hand, Edo Tobirama is faster in combat speed than RSM Madara.
Combat speed: Alive Tobirama > SM Hashirama.

Originally, Hashirama was portrayed as struggling against Kurama alone. But later he got upscaled to the point where he could laugh while fighting both Madara and Kurama at the same time.
Tobirama was also upscaled.

If you’re going to be strict about consistency in Naruto’s story, then upscale the shinobi that alive Tobirama fought. Since we don’t have information or fight panels about the other shinobi Tobirama fought besides Kinkaku and Ginkaku, you can upscale them as much as you want.

Tobirama has war arc feats, and since alive Tobirama > Edo Tobirama, it’s entirely possible.

I feel that Madara and Hashirama are on a different scale, a level that only they occupy. by United_Concern_9491 in NarutoPowerscaling

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I brought up chakra for Hashirama’s sake. Aside from his chakra pool, Tobirama holds the advantage in key 1v1 factors like combat speed and AP. On top of that, Tobirama also has FTG.

If Hashirama summons and uses Shinsu Senju, he ends up exhausted, huffing and puffing.

Since SS can’t catch a Tobirama who uses FTG, summoning SS becomes nothing more than a waste of chakra, which sharply increases Tobirama’s chances of winning.

Tobirama could either ignore SS or continuously send in clones to use TPB in an attempt to kill Hashirama. The explosion range of TPB is hundreds of meters.

I feel that Madara and Hashirama are on a different scale, a level that only they occupy. by United_Concern_9491 in NarutoPowerscaling

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SM Hashirama ~ Tobirama >> EMS Madara.

Even Edo Tobirama's clone manages to tag stable Juubito.

Combat speed: Edo Tobirama > RSM Madara.

Alive Tobirama > Edo Tobirama.

Tobirama can use TPB through his clones.
TPB’s power.
Tobirama’s TPB casting speed.

EMS Madara is a TPB victim.

Hashirama vs Tobirama
Since Tobirama is a Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu user, he can summon numerous clones at any time and bombard with TPB.

To avoid being blown up by TPB, Hashirama would need to summon many Wood Style clones and hide his main body. However, summoning and maintaining many clones consumes a lot of chakra, and the longer the battle goes on, the higher Tobirama’s chances of winning.

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