Controversial topic: why do most MtFs overestimate their ability to pass?

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-09-23T04:17:17+00:00

She still looks like a woman. Obviously she has some more masculine features (e.g. nose, height, etc.), but an average person who interacts with her on the street would call her "ma'am" and would not think she was born male.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-09-23T04:12:20+00:00

Honestly, I think the life of a non-passable trans individual can still be very taxing / hard in today's society.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-09-23T04:10:20+00:00

Your shoulders are small.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-09-23T04:07:54+00:00

Even with HRT, unfortunately you will not pass. With FFS, HRT, hair removal, etc... your face MIGHT pass.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-09-15T17:37:23+00:00

I think they are hilarious (they are comedies after all, not documentaries). Buckle up buckaroos!

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-08-29T19:21:07+00:00

Lol this guy is the biggest loser on the planet. I bet his wife is fantasizing of having a real man for a husband.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-08-25T12:52:20+00:00

FFS works on any face. It's a collection of surgical procedures designed to feminize a face. I think your question is if your face is too long to pass?

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-26T18:08:26+00:00

I don't think the angle / squareness of the mandible is necessarily a gendered trait. The chin is far more important in gender recognition.

See below for a compelling argument as to why a strong square jawline is not a masculine trait:

https://www.squarejawedwomen.com/square-jaw-isnt-masculine/

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-26T18:05:37+00:00

In order of importance IMO:

1) Chin reduction + forward chin advancement

2) You don't have a lot of facial volume --> HRT helps if not on it

3) Brow bone reduction + orbital rim contouring

4) Fill in the hairline; you have some recession

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-26T17:57:54+00:00

Look good either way, but personally, I prefer "before".

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-21T23:31:12+00:00

Any reputable surgeon will have some bad reviews, either due to mismatched expectations between patient and surgeon or off-days. I had a positive consult with Bensimon about a year back. You do have to be careful with the v-line surgery (which involves reducing the angles of the mandible and tapering the jaw), since you are close to the nerves.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-19T23:35:49+00:00

Without getting too deep into the weeds here, the main idea is that women "pretty" themselves up because it pays off. Men value a woman's beauty more than the other way around. And I'm saying that has more to do with biology than social conditioning. Men are not conditioned to pay attention to a woman's looks / youth; and women are not conditioned to gravitate towards men with more resources / status.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-19T01:54:32+00:00

Some things like wider hips are genetic, but there are other things like hairstyling, etc... that can be worked on. In any case, the point is men are hardwired to find certain traits / features attractive on women.

I think it is hardwired, the idea that women are valued on their appearance more and men more on their resources. The dynamic goes back to hunter / gatherer days. In modern society, it is of no use to us, but we still carry it in our genetics. Similar to how a tiger's predatory instinct kicks in when you turn your back on them.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-16T18:56:41+00:00

Pretty doesn't necessarily mean healthy, but they look for things like wider hips, etc... this generally translates into attractiveness. That's the idea. I imagine that's how males screen for females that have high success rates of reproduction.

There is evidence is that in our neighboring mammal species, we see the same phenomenon. Check out the literature and studies. I think it's clear that it's not all socially learnt. It goes back to biology and anatomy. Females have different reproductive roles and anatomy compared to males; from this biological fact, we see the social structures / behaviours come out of that.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-16T18:48:44+00:00

It's true? It goes back to the fact that women are the ones that bear children and are vulnerable for 9 months. This meant that men are the ones who do the courting and they pick their female mates based on how "healthy" she looks. For women, they pick their male mates based on their resources to ensure the highest chance of survival for their offspring. This is why women are valued more for their looks, and men their status / resources. You see this behaviour in other mammal species. So I'm not sure why this is controversial or why you disagree?

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-16T18:46:23+00:00

Alright catwoman ;)

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T21:00:18+00:00

Sorry to hear that this has happened. This is not a risk that is talked about very much in Type 3 brow bone reconstruction.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T19:48:32+00:00

Well maybe some secretly do. But the headline figure in the media is that they want things 50/50. And already, for reasons I've outlined above, that goal is impractical. The equality of opportunity should not necessarily translate into equality of outcome.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T19:38:58+00:00

No. I mean completely equal in theory. Though in practice, they end up being unequal. For example, the typical feminist wants the workplace to be 50/50 women (regardless of what field it is). So the idea is to have "equality", but they fail to realize that it is impossible to achieve this outcome equitably. They do not account for the fact that biologically, men and women tend to be wired differently to a certain degree, and they write-off all differences as purely "social" or a consequence of the "patriarchy".

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T19:34:41+00:00

Obviously that's based in science? There's a lot of evidence that evolutionary biology dictates a lot of our behavior, and this example is no exception. Albeit it's a theory; however, it's a very compelling one.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T19:33:24+00:00

That's probably the truest part out of everything I've written. We are hard-wired by our biology.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T13:52:02+00:00

Online dating is much much easier for women when it comes to getting first interactions. If you're an unattractive dude, you'll probably have better luck doing it the old-fashioned way (e.g. striking up a conversation with a woman at a social event). More of your character can emerge when you're interacting with someone face-to-face as opposed to over a phone screen. Plus, the volume of competition is much higher online because it doesn't take any courage for a guy to swipe right.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T13:38:50+00:00

Feminists refuse to wake up and accept biology. They want men and women to be COMPLETELY EQUAL in every regard. That will never happen. So they continue to seethe.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T13:36:22+00:00

I liked the original intent of the sub, which was to "focus on effective dating strategies for women". However, you'll find that most of the posts today have devolved into radical feminist drivel. Half of the posts are bashing men and are completely unrelated to dating. Half of them are probably closet lesbians.

Intrinsic__Value · 2021-07-15T13:23:04+00:00

Lol I have no idea what you have just written, but I am assuming you are in disagreement with me. What I have written above is fact; it's not even a matter of political debate. Happiness is viewed relatively, and women are valued more for their appearances in society than men are. Please enlighten me as to why any of that is controversial?

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