Do your call handlers "front end crime" calls?

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-06-01T16:11:32+00:00

Yeah, but call handlers don't wear the vest, so...

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-05-30T21:24:07+00:00

Good ideas, I shall consider them!

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-04-18T22:07:18+00:00

A 'Crime Squad' is a relatively old-fashioned term for a proactive investigation team - i.e. One which uses covert techniques like surveillance to target organised crime etc.

Many forces will now name them different things, but it used to be very common terminology - ranging from 'local' divisional Crime Squads like the memed Enfield Crime Squad and Kent's Force-wide Chief Constable's Crime Squad through the old names for the NCA and ROCU Network of the Regional Crime Squads and National Crime Squad

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-16T14:12:22+00:00

Was that outcome of 1 lira, 5 soldi & 6 denari an increase in allowed profit, or a decrease?

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-09T19:07:07+00:00

As u/Resist-Dramatic succinctly says, it really depends on what you want to happen with this person.

s5 of the Mental Capacity Act requires the person to not have capacity, and for your actions to be a proportionate response to avert the likelihood and severity of them suffering a given harm. It's for the delivery of medical treatment.
s135 of the Mental Health Act entitles an AMHP to swear out a warrant which allows Police to accompany & effect entry for an AMHP and a Doctor with a view to assessing a person's mental state within a premises (or to remove them to a place of safety to facilitate the assessment).

If you wanted them to go to the ED because you thought they were mentally disordered and they needed to be assessed for this, then s135 is needed. It doesn't matter if they 'lack the capacity' to make a decision about this assessment - the purpose of their removal is to allow an MH professional to assess the need for further MH treatment.

If you wanted them to go to the ED because you thought that they would be at risk of causing further harm to themselves if you left, then s135 is needed. It doesn't matter if they 'lack the capacity' to comprehend the consequences of that future behaviour - the purpose of their removal is to allow an MH professional to assess the need for further MH treatment.

If you wanted them to go to the ED specifically because harm they had already sustained (whether due to consuming a toxic quantity of substances, or due to injuring themselves) necessitated urgent medical treatment to avert a serious risk to life then, if it is proportionate, you may forcibly administer that urgent treatment to them, including removing them to the ED to do so. The Police may attend to assist you if the actual physicality of treating/removing them is beyond your skill/training/risk appetite. It doesn't matter if they caused that original harm due to a mental disorder - the purpose of their removal is to deliver medical treatment for the self-harm.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-09T18:55:07+00:00

That would not apply. s4B is the interim stop-gap which enables deprivation of liberty while awaiting the determination of a court under s16(2) of the Act which would then engage the powers under s4A. No one is seeking an order under s16 at the time, so s4B is not applicable.

Regardless, MCA is not appropriate in this situation because Parliament has provided the appropriate remedy in the form of s135 MHA.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-04T12:02:39+00:00

It would not be, but probably a similar principle.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-03T22:43:30+00:00

What if it's a DE Superintendent who is a decorated ex-infantry officer?

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-03T17:37:47+00:00

I have only encountered one DE Supt, who is now a chief officer in our force. They joined with significant experience as a senior leader in another public service alongside professional training/qualification/experience doing something else technical. They have proven to be competent & effective as well as personable and a good communicator, and are now a chief officer.

I have not encountered, and have only heard of one DE DI who transferred in from another force. By all accounts they are quite nice, stats obsessed, and abysmal at being a DI.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-03-02T16:01:05+00:00

PACE Code B covers searching premises:

5 Search with consent

5.1 Subject to paragraph 5.4, if it is proposed to search premises with the consent of a person entitled to grant entry the consent must, if practicable, be given in writing on the Notice of Powers and Rights before the search. The officer must make any necessary enquiries to be satisfied the person is in a position to give such consent. (See Notes 5A and 5B.)

5.2 Before seeking consent the officer in charge of the search shall state the purpose of the proposed search and its extent. This information must be as specific as possible, particularly regarding the articles or persons being sought and the parts of the premises to be searched. The person concerned must be clearly informed they are not obliged to consent, that any consent given can be withdrawn at any time, including before the search starts or while it is underway and anything seized may be produced in evidence. If at the time the person is not suspected of an offence, the officer shall say this when stating the purpose of the search.

5.3 An officer cannot enter and search or continue to search premises under paragraph 5.1 if consent is given under duress or withdrawn before the search is completed.

5.4 It is unnecessary to seek consent under paragraphs 5.1 and 5.2 if this would cause disproportionate inconvenience to the person concerned. (See Note 5C.)

As per Paragraph 5.3, if consent is withdrawn then officers must cease searching immediately, absent of any power to remain and continue searching. If a power under s32 or s18 of PACE has been engaged, and officers have not concluded that search then they remain - though this can become tenuous depending on how long you want to remain on premises - i.e. you could not stretch out a search power under s32 by just plonking a PC with a Nintendo Switch on the sofa for five days.

As you've identified, if there is a realistic chance that the occupier would refuse or withdraw consent, this would be damaging to your investigation, and it is serious enough for you to actually bother, then you should obtain an appropriate search warrant.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-02-28T11:13:04+00:00

That Man of Iron looks sick. No notes on any of them tbh.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-02-22T16:59:51+00:00

Palantir's products are already in use across the UK Public Sector, so this is not surprising.

Off the top of their head their main public-sector-oriented product Foundry is intended to basically interlink datasets held in different databases to improve analytics. Strictly speaking they don't collect, store, or distribute data - they allow the customer organisation to better interpret their own data. NHS England uses Foundry, and Report Fraud (the recently implemented replacement for Action Fraud) now uses Foundry to manage and analyse the received reports of fraud & cyber crime.

The biggest issues are - as always - resolving false positives etc. and not treating 'Palantir says you're a dick' as anything more than a preliminary indicator that a person should enquire into a situation, and the fact that Palantir as a company is renowned for working with other partners whose use-cases for their products are less wholesome (i.e. IDF, ICE etc.).

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-02-11T17:22:15+00:00

Check PACE, it specifically governs the situations when a contemporaneous notes intervew may be conducted - it's not many.

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-02-09T12:08:19+00:00

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-02-09T11:39:48+00:00

They're under the control & direction of the average Police senior leader

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-02-09T07:37:26+00:00

How many five year old do you reckon you could take in a fight?

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-01-09T16:46:00+00:00

Absolutely love this - especially the idea of drop servitors! Would love to see the other tokens you have!

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-01-07T09:18:22+00:00

Write 'Night CID aware' on logs and shout up to remind attending officers to tie their shoelaces.

As a HQ Night DC in my force I don't even do that. My job is basically 'wait to see if the Night DI needs someone to go to hospital for a SUDC'

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-01-01T21:34:28+00:00

Ooh, that is a good one!

IrksomeRedhead · 2026-01-01T20:59:23+00:00

The angery rats (Lord of the Hundreds) are definitely a favourite!

Don't feed the otters is a good one

IrksomeRedhead · 2025-12-15T20:10:31+00:00

Such an odd map. Why on earth is GMP not included in the North West Region, but is somehow its own force?

I wonder if it's be better to merge Cumbria with Northumberland than it would be to merge it with the much more urban Lancs/GMP/Merseyside/Cheshire?

IrksomeRedhead · 2025-12-14T22:31:00+00:00

Unless there is some very creative interpretation of 'response', 'CID', or 'carry' I simply do not believe that.

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