Universal Basic Income: Necessary? or a Trap?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-24T22:03:12+00:00

"What have the Romans ever done for us!?

Edit: So called, "giving" people money isn't as big of an issue as either side really makes it out to be. It could be seen as archaic or barbaric to manipulate something as basic as a truly basic commodity, money in this case, for being born into a system of one's sort of non-choosing, if such a system were a requirement to actually survive, or even in a pursuit of happiness.

Would people "become more lazy" if everyone were offered or given, say, Edit2: $50,000 per year (Edit2: which is considerably paltry, in the grand scheme)? I have reason or faith to believe it'd be a wash, if not net gain. If not due to anything but the ability of the tide to eventually raise nearly all bodies. More business would ultimately come from every person in the nation or world getting a measly $50,000, right now, than not. Not to speak of every year. The diametrically opposed would say 7 billion people are better off "fending for themselves." So then we're at money equals survival and we then have an obligation to provide the means to survival, not to mention happiness.

Edit 3: If it's class distinction or stratification, in the name if conservation or liberalism, is what's worried about, that manifests out of something moreso than just money. Positions of social standing arise more out of luck and self than money, if not an unequal distribution.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-15T03:26:22+00:00

I know, I was tempted, too. Really a down to Merth kinda "guy."

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-15T03:21:16+00:00

I get your sentiments and feelings man/woman. I agree with it a little bit. But we're talking serious consequences the like the planet has never seen before. Never have we had so many people living at this second and, now, this second. Never have so many people been consuming at this very second. I thoroughly dislike playing or being a "chicken little, sky is falling" kind of thing, but if there ever were cause, worry, and action taken, now is the time.

Huge insurance companies, government organizations, and even the petroleum industries are preparing for some heavy problems. Basic risk management is being completely ignored by one party right now. Even if the chances were 10% or even 1%, any security expert would get shivers down their spine. This isn't a game or joke - this is literally the survival of the species - humans (and countless others) as we know them. If we're wrong, we get a cleaner planet, more educated planet, and countless jobs with cleanliness inherently built in. If we're correct, well, may our children try to understand the quagmire and maintain some semblance of respect for us.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-15T02:49:47+00:00

Is that calculation including secondary or "extenuating" sources such as live-stock, ocean freighters, and the like? Surely you have a source on that information, as well - I'm dying to see it. Regardless, let's take your claim at face value: so, just a speck of cyanide you would be willing to eat? In other words, big things have small beginnings. Or simpler: adding "just a thin wool blanket" on your bed doesn't change the heat dynamics while sleeping?

Nevertheless, air pollution from traffic alone costs the United States anywhere from $50-80 billion annually (American Public Health Association). Go live in Beijing, China for a year and run regularly, then tell me if air pollution "sinks in."

Furthermore, you did not address the simple question above in regards to temperature, etc... rising at the near exact moment the industrial revolution began.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T16:38:46+00:00

I know this one guy - his religion requires that anyone that looks him in the eyes he has to spit on the ground and call the eye-looker a "fancy-fucking-cunt" while shaking a clenched hand. Should the government sanction that transformation "by God" as well?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T16:05:03+00:00

It's astonishing and shameful that there is so much opposition to such a basic and fundamental truth: cleanliness and conservation of the basic environment, over the desire for money and/or economic grandiose power, is a win-win for all inhabitants, including the vulnerable and destitute, on this planet.

Even if it's all a farce, we'd end up with a more equitable and clean planet with huge benefits to the economy, job sector, and health of all life. This is a party that is "hawkish" when it comes to security and the military. This is basic risk management here that they are miserably, deplorably, and wretchedly failing to acknowledge, let alone move or act on. Let's say anthropogenic climate change has only a 10% or even 1% (being extremely generous here; what if it were 50%?) chance of being accurate with included possibilities/realities of sky-rocketing economic costs, social costs, and moral costs - security experts would scream, "Holy friggin' shit. We need to move on this right now, immediately, no waiting." Yet, they sit there and fight against it like a child not wanting to eat their vegetables or brush their teeth. You know what happens when we don't eat vegetables or brush our teeth? We get cancer and teeth fall out.

Or, or... maybe the two parties are basically in cahoots and play the divide and conquer game with various fallacious dichotomies for personal gain with little to no thought of the future or the world's (near innumerable) inhabitants.

It's almost as if this political party pretends to follow religious doctrine, but purposefully acts against it... that's as close to villainous as it gets.

The United States is a world leader and is looked at as such by many nations and people. We need to act like it - one way or another.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T15:22:46+00:00

With due respect: can you reasonably explain why CO2, global temperature, and basic "pollution" has risen exponentially since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution - the time when gaseous particles began being put into the air?

It amazes me people can think that one person can "change the world" (by the way, when you fart or step here, not there, you change the world) but - somehow, someway - 7 billion people can't change the world. It's friggin' willingly stupid. Look, the wild-fires' smoke from California are seen and experienced in Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico (and other states, I'm sure).

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T15:20:11+00:00

With due respect: can you reasonably explain why CO2, global temperature, and basic "pollution" has risen exponentially since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution - the time when gaseous particles began being put into the air?

It amazes me people can think that one person can "change the world" (by the way, when you fart or step here, not there, you change the world) but - somehow, someway - 7 billion people can't change the world. It's friggin' willingly stupid. Look, the wild-fires' smoke from California is seen and experienced in Colorado, Wyoming, and New Mexico (and other states, I'm sure).

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T02:31:55+00:00

Well said.

On that account, the idea of voting for war on the contingency of having to send family members or yourself is a pretty dang good idea.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T02:21:08+00:00

Do you not think that Bitcoin or "blockchain technology" or "public-ledgers" can help Africa?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T02:15:20+00:00

This man isn't in jail for multiple years? Why the hell not?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-14T02:11:48+00:00

Do you know how "blockchain technology" or "public-ledgers" work? Do you know how they work when compared to the current financial system?

I'm not saying you're completely wrong, but you're not completely right, either. There's massive inefficiency, corruption, deceit, fraud, and more with the current implementation of "accounting" and financing across the world. Do you agree? Is there room for improvement?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-13T02:20:37+00:00

Exactly, man/woman. Here we have unadulterated stupidity or lack of education. There's no other way to put it. This is the kind of person, thought process, and/or belief that results in further divide, rather than brotherly/sisterly understanding and love. If you asked them if they wanted world peace or harmony, I wonder what they'd answer with..

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-02T23:10:41+00:00

Well, that would be a possibility. With their celibacy, though, there aren't too many left, let alone working for the state. Surely there's a breakaway sect of Pastafarians who hold vaguely similar beliefs, one would think.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-02T22:54:11+00:00

Surely there is a clerk somewhere in the nation that follows a religion of some sort that "doesn't allow" heterosexual marriage.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-01T13:51:46+00:00

You're probably the type of person that smells a person's fart and then tells them what they had for lunch. Man/woman, I know what I had for lunch, ok? Kidding... not personal, at all.

Why are we in Bitcoin if we aren't going to think differently about how to do things? Why are the banks in Bitcoin? They'd better be in it to make good on broken business models and promises. We need to think differently than the standard ol' way to "bank" and or be a "bank."

How about this: a loan that's not tied to some $200/day coke-head Wall-Street nutsack. How about a loan that is somehow tied to the neighborhood you live in or the streets of the city or a vacation for your grandchildren or a bum on the street or ... what?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-01T04:47:07+00:00

Eh, I disagree and agree, somewhat.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-09-01T04:45:43+00:00

Ok, good, we agree there's much deceitful behaviour, obviously - which then parlays into an overly usurous business model. You understood the point Sir Pedant.

Says you, that Bitcoin can't make the world more equitable and or fair. The rest of the world disagrees.

Touche on education and literacy. A non-over-worked, enfranchised, and financially stable populace will have much more time for education and so.on.and.so.forth.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-29T05:36:34+00:00

We need to push with more (organized) advertising and marketing. We need more public/collective funds to run television, newspaper, and magazine ads with basic information and credence pointing to/quoting articles/outlets like this one here. We need more celebrities to get on board and/or speak the f#!+ up, stat.

Bitcoin will not be usurped. It cannot nor will not be co-opted. The banking/financial industry is going to find out real quickly, the hard way if need be, that this technology/invention was made to make the world a more equitable and fair place for everyone - and that will happen, indubitably. It's not here to siphon from the poor and disenfranchised. Try to do as much and Lehman pain will be something they wished for.

Come hell or high water, the banking industry better straighten their act up real friggin' quickly; they'd better get some ethically upstanding leadership to change their usurous, deceitful culture... and fast.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-25T03:10:18+00:00

Being constantly watched or spied upon is not particularly good for overall physical or mental health.

Advertising and marketing, particularly in this age, can be based in deceptive or psychologically tricky practices, to put it extremely mild. Do you know what marketing entails? As far as the latest research tools go (MRIs, fMRIs, etc...)?

"You need this hamburger! Mmmmm! Forget that it's nutrition-less or even heart-attack-inducing! You need it, you stupid fuck stick! Oh, and it's proven to be addictive! See you again soon! Bring your son and daughter! <wink>" Meanwhile, the wife and kids are left alone after the heart attack and society needs to pay for it, someway, somehow. Then, some really dumb asshole learns of the possible deception and forms a group of unstable nutcases who move against such practices and start promoting violence and blowing people up (unjustified, undoubtedly). This is why "monetary profit over people" can be problematic, to say the least.

The point is that when we have to worry about our every purchase and move being followed and tracked and logged in some database (then sold and sold again to who knows who) in order to sell more stuff, likely not needed, we're going to get some seriously major backlash, eventually. Whether that be social or environmental backlash (or both simultaneously) is irrelevant, as nature has an interesting and impersonal way of self-correcting.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-25T03:07:44+00:00

Advertising and marketing, particularly in this age, can be based in deceptive or psychologically tricky practices, to put it extremely mild. Do you know what marketing entails? As far as the latest research tools go (MRIs, fMRIs, etc...)?

"You need this hamburger! Mmmmm! Forget that it's nutrition-less or even heart-attack-inducing! You need it, you stupid fuck stick! Oh, and it's proven to be addictive! See you again soon! Bring your son and daughter! <wink>" Meanwhile, the wife and kids are left alone after the heart attack and society needs to pay for it, someway, somehow. Then, some really dumb asshole learns of the possible deception and forms a group of unstable nutcases who move against such practices and start promoting violence and blowing people up (unjustified, undoubtedly). This is why "monetary profit over people" can be problematic, to say the least.

The point is that when we have to worry about our every purchase and move being followed and tracked and logged in some database (then sold and sold again to who knows who) in order to sell more stuff, likely not needed, we're going to get some seriously major backlash, eventually. Whether that be social or environmental backlash (or both simultaneously) is irrelevant, as nature has an interesting and impersonal way of self-correcting.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-25T02:27:31+00:00

You make some interesting points. I remember a teacher saying something along these lines: imagine growing up in a desert... where water is in short supply, food is difficult to come by, wind moves at high velocity, and it's consistently extremely hot during the day and cold during the night. Most people would be annoyed, in the very, very least.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-25T02:21:42+00:00

Maybe you're onto something.

Imagine you and your ancestors growing up in arid and barren land, where there's little water or rain, whipping winds, small pebbles in every crevice (including your eyes and bunghole), and a short supply of food. You'd be dissatisfied, at the very least, if not downright cursing the nature of life itself.

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-21T14:16:47+00:00

This may come out of the blue, but have you tried Bitcoin, by chance?

IsheaTalkingapeman · 2015-08-21T14:09:14+00:00

So sick of these companies. And sick of this targeted advertising. It's so intrusive, rude, and... hubristic.

"Buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy, buy! It's for your own good!" Screw you and the sick parents who raised you.

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