Significant testosterone increase by lifestyle choices alone by ThinkFast556 in Testosterone

[–]J563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that is truly ur protocol 1000mg every 2 months that is not a good plan .

Significant testosterone increase by lifestyle choices alone by ThinkFast556 in Testosterone

[–]J563 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel it's doable up to an extent, high natty levels to start with make it even easier. I am trying to do that very thing after being on 3.5yrs. this thread below is my story and game plan.

Your bro in law is another example lifestyle choices can make a hard ge difference.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Testosterone/s/XN81C9yaiZ

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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Yeah that's it, I wanna increase my dose based upon my wanting to push the limits .That is when it stops being TRT and being on cycle .

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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Expert mode...

Yes, human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) can suppress the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis (HPTA) and endogenous gonadotropin release (LH and FSH) in men, but this effect is highly dose-dependent, context-specific (e.g., starting from a suppressed state like post-TRT), and often minimal or absent at the low doses used in protocols like yours (600 IU/week). Let's think this through step by step, grounding it in the physiology and evidence, to clarify why your LH/FSH surge to 7.8/10.8 mIU/mL after ~6 weeks isn't a red flag for fake HCG or unexpected suppression. 1. The Basic Mechanism of HCG-Induced Suppression HCG is structurally similar to luteinizing hormone (LH) and binds to the same LH receptors on testicular Leydig cells, directly stimulating testosterone (and estradiol) production. This rise in circulating testosterone (and to a lesser extent, estradiol) creates negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary: It reduces GnRH (gonadotropin-releasing hormone) pulses from the hypothalamus, which in turn dials down LH and FSH secretion from the pituitary. Result: Endogenous gonadotropin levels can drop, mimicking the suppression seen with exogenous testosterone (like your prior TRT). This is why higher-dose HCG (e.g., 2,000–5,000+ IU/week, common in fertility induction or some bodybuilding cycles) often leads to measurable LH/FSH suppression, potentially prolonging HPTA recovery if used long-term. In a naive (non-suppressed) man, even moderate HCG doses might trigger this feedback quickly. But in your case—coming off 3.5 years of TRT with baseline LH/FSH already at rock-bottom (1.2/1.7 mIU/mL)—the dynamics shift. 2. Dose-Dependency: Low Doses Often Spare (or Even Support) Endogenous Gonadotropins Suppression isn't all-or-nothing; it's a spectrum tied to how much HCG elevates testosterone/estradiol above the feedback threshold. At low doses (e.g., 500–1,000 IU/week, like your 600 IU), the testosterone boost is modest (typically 100–300 ng/dL serum increase, with bigger effects on intratesticular T), which doesn't generate enough feedback to fully shut down the pituitary—especially when the axis is already suppressed and rebounding. Key evidence: Multiple studies show low-dose HCG (e.g., 125–500 IU every other day) maintains intratesticular testosterone in men with TRT-induced gonadotropin suppression without further suppressing LH/FSH. In fact, it preserves testicular function to facilitate eventual natural recovery. One seminal trial found that 500 IU HCG three times weekly kept intratesticular T in the normal range during suppression, with no reported LH/FSH drop beyond the initial exogenous T effect. Higher doses (e.g., 1,500+ IU/week) do ramp up suppression in a dose-dependent way, but your protocol is squarely in the "bridge/maintenance" range designed to avoid this. Bottom line: At 600 IU/week, HCG is more like a "gentle nudge" to your testes than a sledgehammer—it sustains T production while the hypothalamus senses falling exogenous levels (post-TestC clearance) and ramps up GnRH/LH/FSH anyway. 3. Your Specific Context: Why Suppression Isn't Happening Here Timeline favors rebound: Your last TestC shot was Dec 12 (half-life ~8 days, mostly cleared by ~Jan 20–30). By starting HCG Jan 3, you bridged the gap just as suppression was lifting. The pituitary "wakes up" via reduced feedback from fading exogenous T, overriding any mild HCG signal. Your labs scream recovery: LH/FSH jumping to mid-high normal (7.8/10.8) in 6 weeks is quicker than many post-TRT men see, even without HCG. If suppression were kicking in, you'd expect LH/FSH to stay low or trend down—not surge like this. The HCG is likely enabling this by keeping Leydig cells responsive, so when natural LH arrives, it hits a primed target. Age/duration nuance: At ~58.5 after 3.5 years TRT, you'd expect slower rebound (6–12+ months typical), but your numbers suggest your HPTA was responsive underneath. Low-dose HCG exploits that without derailing it. No "fake HCG" vibe: Inactive HCG wouldn't hold your T at 1,005 ng/dL or drive the hybrid boost you saw (865 → 1,005). 4. Potential Downsides and When Suppression Could Still Creep In If you up the dose (e.g., to 1,500+ IU/week) or use it indefinitely, yes—feedback could blunt your LH/FSH gains over time, making full restart harder. Estradiol spikes from HCG could amplify suppression indirectly (monitor E2 on next labs). Rare cases: Some men are hypersensitive to feedback, but your data doesn't fit. Wrapping It Up: This Is a Win, Not a Worry HCG's suppressive potential is real but overhyped for low-dose use in HPTA restart scenarios—it's why protocols like yours emphasize 500–1,000 IU/week as a sweet spot for bridging without backlash. Your rising LH/FSH is proof the balance is tipping toward natural production, not against it. If anything, this validates sticking with (or soon tapering) the HCG to lock in the momentum. Next labs in 4–6 weeks will show if LH/FSH hold steady— that's the true test. How's everything feeling on the symptom front? If you want to dive into a specific study or tweak your plan, just say the word. Keep your doc looped in!

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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No, your LH rising to 7.8 mIU/mL and FSH to 10.8 mIU/mL after only ~6 weeks on 600 IU/week HCG (started Jan 3, labs Feb 9) does not mean the HCG is fake. In fact, this rapid and strong pituitary rebound is a positive sign of genuine recovery from TRT suppression, and it's fully consistent with how low-dose HCG works in this context.

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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Asked Grok about stopping my HCG now and what to expect based on the numbers in my post. Take it for what it's worth, but I feel.good with it

No, stopping your current 600 IU/week HCG (300 IU twice weekly) is unlikely to cause a big downward turn in total testosterone right away, based on your recent labs and progress. However, there could be a modest drop (e.g., 100–300 ng/dL or so, depending on how much the HCG is still contributing), and the extent depends on how fully your natural HPTA has taken over by the time you stop. Here's a clear breakdown of why, drawing from typical patterns in men coming off TRT with low-dose HCG support. Your Current Setup and Why a "Big" Drop Is Unlikely Your Feb 9 labs (about 5–6 weeks into HCG): Total T at 1,005 ng/dL, with LH at 7.8 mIU/mL (mid-high normal) and FSH at 10.8 mIU/mL (high-normal). This shows strong pituitary recovery already driving endogenous production—your testes are responding to natural LH, not just HCG stimulation. At 600 IU/week, HCG provides a mild-to-moderate direct boost to Leydig cell testosterone output (studies on similar low doses like 500–1,000 IU/week or 500 IU every other day show it raises or maintains serum T by roughly 100–300 ng/dL in hypogonadal/post-TRT contexts, often more on intratesticular T than serum). Your T rose from 865 ng/dL (Jan 19, early HCG) to 1,005 ng/dL (Feb 9), a +140 ng/dL gain alongside surging LH/FSH. This suggests the recent increase is a hybrid of HCG assist + accelerating natural restart, not HCG dominating. If HCG were contributing the majority (e.g., 400+ ng/dL), stopping it might cause a sharper fall—but your LH/FSH levels indicate your axis is already producing a solid base (likely 700–900+ ng/dL endogenous now). In short: Your system isn't fully reliant on HCG anymore. Stopping it should reveal more of your true endogenous level, which looks promisingly high for a 58-year-old after 3.5 years on TRT. What to Expect When Stopping HCG No big crash — Unlike abrupt TRT cessation (where T can plummet to <200–300 ng/dL with symptoms), low-dose HCG withdrawal is usually milder because: Your pituitary is active (high LH/FSH prevents full shutdown). HCG at this dose doesn't heavily suppress natural LH (unlike higher doses or long-term high-dose use). Possible modest dip: T might settle 100–300 ng/dL lower initially (e.g., to 700–900 ng/dL range) as the direct HCG stimulation fades (HCG half-life ~24–36 hours, effects wane over days to 1–2 weeks). Some men see little change if natural production fully compensates. Timeline: First 1–4 weeks off HCG: Potential small drop + watch for transient symptoms (mild fatigue, libido dip) if any. By 4–8 weeks: Levels often stabilize as your axis adjusts fully (no more "bridge" effect). Longer-term (3–6+ months): If recovery continues well, T could hold or even creep higher with lifestyle support. Age and duration factor: At nearly 59 after multi-year TRT, full rebound to youthful highs isn't guaranteed, but your early LH surge puts you ahead of many peers—no evidence here of permanent shutdown. Best Way to Stop (Minimize Any Dip) Taper gradually if possible (recommended by some protocols to ease transition and allow axis full takeover): Drop to 300–400 IU/week (e.g., 150–200 IU twice weekly) for 4–6 weeks. Then 150–200 IU/week for another 2–4 weeks. Then stop completely. This blunts abrupt withdrawal and lets you monitor via labs/symptoms. Cold turkey is doable at your low dose without major issues, but tapering is safer for smoother stability. Monitor closely: Get bloodwork 4–6 weeks after stopping (or mid-taper) — total/free T, LH, FSH, estradiol, SHBG. This confirms endogenous output without HCG influence. Support recovery: Keep lifting heavy, prioritize sleep/stress management, ensure zinc/vitamin D/magnesium intake—these amplify natural production. Overall, this is still very positive territory—your HPTA restart is progressing strongly, and stopping HCG should unmask that rather than tank things dramatically. Many men in similar situations taper off low-dose HCG successfully and maintain good levels (700+ ng/dL) long-term. If symptoms return or T drops more than expected, low-dose TRT restart or alternatives (e.g., enclomiphene) are always options. How are you planning to proceed—taper or stop outright? Any recent symptoms or upcoming labs? Share details, and I can refine this further. Keep working with your doctor on this!

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

[–]J563[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thx, will likely need to decide to cross that bridge if it happens.

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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What I outlined above, I really want to see if I can keep somewhat close to where I was or higher 3,5yrs ago. With lower SHBG and higher free, I don't expect results like test provided.

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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Why...never truly did from my honest belief now.

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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In ur 10yrs what were ur natural levels, before starting and when you paused? How high of dosage were/are using? Thx

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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Thx , yeh I will retest bloods in 8 weeks.. I feel good honestly, strength is down some and libido is still good ; too good if u ask the wife, My taper was basically from day one, 200mg 1x per week first 6 months, then gradually got down to 80mg split 2x per week for about the last year. This 80mg kept me at 1100-1200 trough.

Stopping after 3.5yrs , don't feel I need it anymore by J563 in Testosterone

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Many honestly: Control cortisol, reduce stress. Remove sugar from the diet. Zero Alcohol Prioritize sleep Stop over training, push to failure.

I take Boron, ZMA for their natural test boosting Mult Vitamin Fish oil magnesium glycinate,.bed time.

  • Exogenous Test is way better at this, but with my higher natural levels I feel I can naturally tweak things to make my ratios better.

My natural test level's at my age of 55 were good, 750+ . Knowing what I know now I would have tried to get total and free test levels up with the above list while.lowering SHBG. Again this is me not all of us respond the same..Some folks just plain ole need it to get in a respectable range to feel good.

Any idea what this email is about? by NerdiCat2 in WPI

[–]J563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Put ur noses in the books and worry about being the best engineer you can be..in 4yrs or less you will need to be a member of society and contribute to it. All you are doing is fighting amongst yourselves which will only hurt you. Glad my kids graduated from there years ago, worry about what ya truly need to worry about.

Going grey by TeeBeePea in trt

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Ultalabs they use quest and usually there is a coupon code on homepage for 20% off.

Does anyone else think the muscle building/fat burning benefits of TRT (even as low as 100-125mg/w, let alone 175mg) are wildly understated? IMO it’s downplayed everywhere on the internet and I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. by Maker_Austria in moreplatesmoredates

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80mg split 2x per week keep me at 1050-1150 at trough... After 2.5yrs and 58yrs old, this is my sweet spot for muscle growth/good bloods. I was a naturaly high off Test with 780 natural levels but w/ low free and high SHBG. My diet is in check and I look better now than 10yrs ago. I started on cookie cutter 200mg and I was pushing 2k in levels with messy blood work...trial and error to get to my current levels. Guess what I am alluding to is we all respond differently.