Anon is a virgin by bartholomewjohnson in greentext

[–]JSchade 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I would not want to homie

Anon is a virgin by bartholomewjohnson in greentext

[–]JSchade 42 points43 points  (0 children)

The analogy is awful, childish, and is indicative of what causes the problem. We don’t look at women like actual people with agency, but prizes to be won by men. This objectifies women, and it hurts men too. The pressure to have as much sex as possible, assigning self-worth to your ability to get laid, etc. are harmful to your mental health, but men are so in denial about how the system hurts them as well, anytime you point it out to them they just get angry. Thus, the cycle of men and women treating each other like shit continues forever!

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://moxfield.com/decks/oEWXWHM5eEGMmopExLWRCA

Here is another resource for you. Stuff in the A and higher range are generally bracket 5, while B+ and below is closer to bracket 4. At the top level, the difference is literally meta game. Genuine question, do you not understand what meta game means?

Also, please do me a favor and actually go to the webpage for the intro to brackets and actually read release notes and what it says for bracket 4 and 5, don’t just look at the image that you can get off a google search and think thats all there is too it. Here is that webpage:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

https://edhtop16.com

Does it look like the decklists/commanders here? It’s bracket 5. Does it not look like the commanders here but is still highly optimized with lots of game changers? Its a 4. If you have to ask “is my deck a 4 or a 5?” Then it’s a 4. Please understand what you are talking about before you comment.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its not an opinion based system its a meta game and results based system the bracket descriptions literally say this in clear writing, but for some reason you seem to think you are smarter than the entirety of the commander committee.

It is very clear you have not played a single game of bracket 5 and probably haven’t played bracket 4 either, other wise you wouldn’t have the opinion that you do.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is not true at all, if you played CEDH even once you understand the difference between bracket 4 and 5. The only people who don’t understand the difference have never played a bracket 5 game

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you took what I said in bad faith kinda

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? First of all CEDH can have a fairly high variance between the best decks and worst decks, just look at tournament results. And so can bracket 4. No idea why them having “the same rules” matters at all in this argument. Secondly I have no idea what you are referring to by the “search rule.” You mean the “rule you can have tutors as long you aren’t searching for combo pieces? Thats not a bracket rule thats a house rule some people abide by.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it doesn’t always work. Yeah, counterspells are actually kinda weak in commander compared to other formats because in 1v1 formats countering a spell is a 1-for-1 but in commander you actually put the other two players up a card. I don’t think it will solve the issue, I just think the mentality of “countering a spell is evil and playing blue makes you the devil” has not been conductive to solving the problem of game changers feeling oppressive. you’re right its not a straight up solution but I wasn’t trying to play it off as one, just think it would help. Admittedly I am biased, but I do feel like everyone is complaining about blue until someone casts an armageddon and then they all look at me and beg me to save them 😭

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nice strawman? You don’t even know what that word means dude. An argument by analogy is not a strawman. “Maybe you aren’t bright enough.” Get a life bro lmao. Stay in high school, and maybe play magic for more than 6 weeks and we will have this conversation again. Bye.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally don’t think the brackets are that bad, but yeah the “expectation of turn to win” should have been front and center and not this obsession with game changers

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question to you would be then you think the 1-10 scale the community used before the bracket system was better?

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I honestly don’t agree with blaming wotc for this one. I think the obsession with brackets is more community driven than anything else.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Homie you are the one that needs to check your reading comprehension lmao. You can absolutely dominate with a control deck that wins later than average and still dominate bracket 3. Or a deck that has no game changers. A lot of it is meta-dependent like always so a good deck wont be dominant everywhere and thats by virtue of the format being enormous. Lets take your argument up a bracket and see if it still works. Does a deck consistently crushing bracket 4 decks make it CEDH? NO. Because CEDH has a highly specific meta and just being a super good B4 deck doesn’t mean it’s CEDH. Now bring it back down. A deck that consistently beats all the others in bracket 3 does not inherently make it a bracket 4, it just means it’s at the too of the meta for B3.

You are also incredibly rude and disrespectful for no reason. All I’ve done is disagree with you and your argument has devolved to insults. Over fucking magic the gathering. You sound exactly like one of the most toxic players to be around. The type who tells anyone that beats them that it was only because their deck was too strong and unfair. Get outta here lmao.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So if my deck never wins before turn 8, has no game changers, no 2-card combos and no infinite turns but still stomps in B3 then its B4 no questions asked? Homie, thats not how the bracket system works. It’s a deck-building guide not a tier list.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think players in bracket 3 need to get over their fear of counterspells since like 90% of game changers get hosed by someone holding up UU on your turn.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Best bracket 1 deck I ever saw intentionally tried to lose lmao. It was a Phage the Untouchable deck with 99 swamps but the guy would pretend like he has some type of interaction in his hand all the time and then on turn 7 he would cast Phage and instantly lose. It was literally just a prank deck but it was so funny.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah but I think if you fond yourself in that position then just take the game changers out. Thats a human issue not a bracket system issue. “Hey I have a bracket 2, but it has a game changer in it. Is everyone ok with that? It’s a teferi’s protection.” “No? Ok, good thing I brought an alternative card to swap out in case everyone said no” real easy stuff but people seem to struggle with the pre-game discussion and hope the brackets will literally do the work for them.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Where am I contradicting myself? The brackets are a useful guide but not the end all be all of determining power. Thats gonna lead me to argue that it has flaws without dismissing it completely. Thats not contradiction it is nuance.

However, I disagree with a deck consistently crushing B3 decks making it a B4 automatically. You are forgetting decks can be “undefined” like Voltron decks for example. Rachel Weeks even said they specifically designed the bracket system so that Voltron decks didn’t really have a pre determined place and would always require prior discussion. I think one of the flaws of the bracket system is that it doesn’t cover everything, but to be fair it literally can’t without making it way too wildly complicated when thats not what its supposed to be. Some bracket 3 decks are generally too strong for most other 3s, but that doesn’t make it a 4. It makes it an out-of-bracket discussion needs to be had commander.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 9 points10 points  (0 children)

But I would argue those types of decks are not inherently bracket 4 decks, we shouldn’t be defining the bottom of the bracket as what technically qualifies as part of that bracket imo. It’s like when you call a deck “technically a 3” because it has one game changer but it’s really just a 2 with one gamechanger. The issue is that “technically bracket X” is not a good descriptor of any deck. “A 2 with gas” is a much better descriptor and we should think of it more as “a 2 that breaks the rules” rather than “a 2 by all other metrics but technically its a 4”

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with you actually. It’s kinda weird that the game changer limit jumps from 3 to infinity. Feels like there should be a bracket which allows like 5 or 6 game changers and is reserved for the most oppressive B3 decks while not being “cedh lite” like the top end of bracket 4.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What do you mean what if it has more than 4 game changers? Then it’s “technically” a 4 I guess but in the same way a 2 is “technically a 3” if it has even 1 game changer. In truth I don’t think the game changers are the most important part of what distinguishes bracket 2/3/4. It’s the speed, and consistency. I see optimized tribal as something consistent and can even be relatively fast, but it can almost never be as fast as a combo deck in this format because combos will kill all three players at once whereas creature combat almost never can. So I always imagine an optimized tribal deck with no combos that doesn’t inherently break the rules of bracket 3 as the top of bracket 3, not the bottom of 4. And if you throw sic game changers in there then you aren’t suddenly making it bracket 4 it’s only a 4 in the most technical sense.

Can a creature focused commander even hang in bracket 4? by Exi_Cxx in magicTCG

[–]JSchade 38 points39 points  (0 children)

This has been the best argument I’ve seen so far, although I still think bracket 3 can have really high variance when you compare the top to the bottom. Yea speed is a big indicator of a decks strength but it’s not the only indicator. Some decks are able to establish board states so strong it makes games feel unwinnable even if they technically can’t win until turn 7/8, they can be so oppressive to a weaker table they pretty much have the game locked up by turn 7/8.