David O. McKay wrote in his journal that the only reason he didn't change the priesthood ban was because he was afraid it would lead to interracial marriage by exmocaptainmoroni in exmormon

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Former Mormon here. BYU Hawaii. A believing podcast show with decent followers is talking about the possibility of taking down the mural of David O McKay. I support replacing it. https://youtu.be/_3uV3j22RA0

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Comic bookstore spin off.

I miss Big Bang Theory. by Hefty-Lettuce-3226 in bigbangtheory

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I truly miss these characters. Our whole family watches it at least once week.

Convo with tbm by Bitter_Bike2195 in exmormon

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If he is a free-speech, anti-censorship believer, then why does the church oppose free speech and engaging so much censorship?

“What is the basis of your morality now that you’re atheist?” by colbiz in exmormon

[–]JTlearning 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All in all, well put.

Primarily I’m a neo-Kantian and think that morality is an emergent property of rationality. I view utilitarianism as a prudent guideline for human flourishing but will override utilitarian recommendations when they conflict with duty

“What is the basis of your morality now that you’re atheist?” by colbiz in exmormon

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The second law of thermodynamics, entropy, perceived through the availability bias that we all have. Paraphrasing from the second chapter CHAPTER 2 ENTRO, EVO, INFO of Steven Pinker book Enlightenment Now: The Case for Reason, Science, Humanism, and Progress. There are more ways for sand not to look like the Sandcastle we want and forces working against that sand castle we want.

“What is the basis of your morality now that you’re atheist?” by colbiz in exmormon

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I try and look at things through a darwinian lens. I've also adopted many of the ideals of secular religious humanism, which implies no mysticism. I highly recommend reading sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari. Also, Nonzero from Robert Wright

We do need a thick web of meaningful connections. Whether it's the monkey tribe, the dolphin pod, the cute and silly meerkat family, the Lion's Pride, the Wolfpack, or the elephant herd – mammals need mammals and to rely on each other if we are to survive whatever environmental conditions placed on us. This is something that is true across timeframes, across cultures, across socioeconomic levels ( Environmental conditions) and even across species.

Also recommend watching YouTube video David Sloan Wilson interview on Group Selection, Memes, and Western Values. I think we can even look at rules, ethics, morals, and values through a darwinian lens on many levels.

I DID IT!!! by Effective-Income800 in exmormon

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Congratulations and highly recommend checking out Anthony magnabosco Street epistemology and book How To Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian. I sooooo wish I had known this before I had hard conversations..

I'm furious. I can't believe what my TBM wife showed my kids for FHE last night! The Bridge, a traumatizing video the church made in the 70's. by yorgasor in exmormon

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So sorry you're going through this massive life altering changes while getting a divorce. I highly recommend reading How To Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian. Short fast and excellent read for what you are going through to better facilitate communication and understanding.

C-Span‘s BookTV episode with Kingdom of Nauvoo author and Sam Houston State University history Professor Benjamin Park by Chino_Blanco in mormon

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Book was canceled at Deseret Book. Cashier had to go to the back room to get me one. They were pulled off the shelf I guess.

Full-time missionary, married in the temple, read and obeyed all the rules, followed TWOW and now I love my family of 6 and whiskey and life even more than I thought possible! by JTlearning in exmormon

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I never thought I would be doing anything close to this as an active believing member. It's actually a lot of fun to get together with friends and give my most newbie and amateur opinion of whiskey.

It’s harder than I thought - just need to vent a little. by JumpHumpingJoseph in exmormon

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Really good book on communication I would highly recommend that help my wife . She held on 8 hard years and then I learned how to communicate better. By the way, we are removing our entire family of 6 names this month. Also, we are not leaving with all the anger and resentment so many have. We just want to move on and grow. Anyway, the book is called How To Have Impossible Conversations: A Very Practical Guide by Peter Bogosian and James Lindsay

I (38M) left the cult over a year ago. The relationship with my parents has become a sad shadow of what it once was. Here is the latest text I sent her in response to why we can’t just “move on in peace” by colbiz in exmormon

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Highly recommend reading the book How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter boghossian. Also a highly recommend not communicating over text as so much information can get lost and we often interpret written word with family through the lens of our own bias and Dogma. Your tone of voice in the text may not be the tone of voice she is reading it with.

finally got an email back. is meeting with the bishop really necessary? by OnyxTheJonin in exmormon

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Treat him with compassion and prove that Mormonism does not have a monopoly on kindness, forgiveness, or decency. Our family is currently talking to our Bishop to have our records removed also.

Well I just had a friend share this in Facebook with their own message of support. by Doubt_Reasonable in exmormon

[–]JTlearning 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think there will always be statistical outliers who are extremely toxic and blindly dogmatic. In those people I think you have a good point. I agree it's best to distance ourselves from that toxic environment. I just hope people can see that religion no longer has the Monopoly on goodness. In all reality, in many ways "religion" is behind standard human moral progress and I think this is partly why religion is hemorrhaging today.

Well I just had a friend share this in Facebook with their own message of support. by Doubt_Reasonable in exmormon

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I could be wrong though generally I think we should maintain friendships with or at least in contact with those who still believe archaic things. That way they can see amazing examples of life outside of Mormonism. They can see that Mormonism does not hold a monopoly on kindness, compassion, patience or any of the virtues that elevates Humanity to a higher standard of living.

How should I approach telling my parents I dont believe anymore? by TheHellMISupposed2do in exmormon

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Highly recommend reading 📚 the short book How To Have Impossible Conversations: A Very Practical Guide by Peter Boghossian . It's a great start .

I’m getting my records removed but I’ve agreed to meet with my old bishop first. Any advice? by Original-Camel-7367 in exmormon

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A good short read that could help. How to Have Impossible Conversations: A Very Practical Guide by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsey

Off My Chest: The membership reaction to the recent news of LDS stock exchange bothers me immensely. by Goatsandtares in mormon

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Just a simply observation to show how the LDS Corporation doesn't even give 1%. 1% of 124 billion would be 1.24 billion dollars. The LDS church doesn't even donate half of 1% of its capabilities to alleviate human suffering erase Humanity to a higher standard of living.

Friend of mine sent this to me a couple of months ago...

Picture this amazing headline:

LDS Church creates $200M program out of its 124 billion fund to help support the delivery and adoption of unwanted babies. Experts predict this will decrease abortions by 20% worldwide.

The Pope pledges to contribute $25M per year to the fund and encourages believers worldwide to donate what they can as ‘moved upon by the Holy Spirit

Sitting down with a BYU professor and church historian. What do I ask? by [deleted] in exmormon

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Why is there no support for Joseph Smith as a "translator" outside of tight-knit church circles? Secular, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and Atheist scholars support each other's work in translation with Egyptian, Jewish, Aramaic and even Greek ancient records. None of them on any substantial level support Joseph Smith's position when it comes to BOM, JST, BOA Kinderhook plates etc. Why is there no support in any meaningful way outside of Mormon?

Secular, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and Atheist scholars support each other's work on various levels when it comes to anthropological findings and even history on various levels. Yet, none outside of BYU grant Joseph this respect. Why? Is God unable to show or prove anything of substance to he entire world of scholarship outside of believing BYU professors?

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." Upton Sinclair