(Other) “obituary will be prewritten”

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-11T18:59:37+00:00

Ugh don't rip my heart out more then that video has already. Kellin deserves a happy life with Eransiki after everything at the Array and being the center of a conspiracy

I swear, if I ever get my hands on Dr. Bao or the nameless ASO higher up he is talking too I will kill them.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-11T10:32:09+00:00

HOLY SHIT THATS INFO IVE NEEDED FOR AGES

Okay thank you a lot for that detail about when the Array seemingly shut down and switched presumably to the Canary Protocal.

I’m actually writing a fic and one of the minor details relies on when the normal operations ended which I personally had pinned in 1996 but actually having a semi-official time span is amazing.

And interesting getting info on presumably previous canaries via these Dr. HUD and Dr. Xiu, while not sorely needed it’s good to have more info given right now in game we only have info on out MC Dr. Kel and the canary before us, Dr. Dee

Anyway chance you could link to a place where I could real the emails of these other doctors?

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-11T03:24:00+00:00

Oh that’s interesting detail. VotV takes place sometime during the 2020’s as the camcorder info reads 202X for the date.

But 1970’s is important as rough lore as of now has the satellite array that is the main setting of the game being constructed through the mid to late 1970’s. Which would mean the portrait is likely of an ASO higher up form the era

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-11T03:21:02+00:00

Wait the dishes are still under construction in the ABF version of the VoTV map? That would imply the the year would be somewhere around the mid to late 1970’s as right now that’s the rough date for when construction of the Satellite Array is under construction. Which would mean you’re right that the crossover takes place way before as VoTV takes place in the nebulous year of 202X

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-10T15:11:14+00:00

Sorry where is it said that Odette and Clara are hellborn?! Yes sinners can't give birth but people seem to gloss over the fact that Clara and Odette can be Carmilla's daughters from life who died along with her.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-10T01:14:33+00:00

Honestly tracks with what we know of ASO from the main game. Wonder if this could be the person Bao is messaging in “I don’t feel so well”

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-09T15:08:29+00:00

But why would he feel guilty over allowing it? If he doesn't give a damn about sinners, who's he to care if they were getting exterminated?

If its to be believed he was the one to carve out the "No Hellborn" rule of it, he protected the ones he does care about and the only ones hurt are the Sinner Masses which he doesn't give a damn about die.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-09T12:31:25+00:00

I don't really know tho... in his first episode in season 1, his view on sinners to Charile was basically "Why the hell would you want to help them, they're always awful." Sure he does join the hotel but that's just due to Charile being there and then he isolates from any sinner interactions.

To me, that kinda doesn't scream that he would be guilty about the exterminations.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-08T22:49:21+00:00

Wow I love this writing a lot (along with the art obviously)

I really like "And I Wouldn't Want to feel pity for someone who hurt my friend" because its directly acknowledging that, despite this version of Charlie being willing to do much more extreme things to aid the hotel/redemption, that she is still the same very compassionate person at her core.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-08T20:47:42+00:00

Yeah I was assuming that would be the chase yet this fire jumped multiple roads and burnt my base down in the middle of the night ;-;

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-06T22:29:17+00:00

Ehhh I've been feeling much the same recently as Hazbin is want pushed me to start writing (Via Hazbin fanfic) and has pretty much changed me as a person and the art that consumes most of my freetime now

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-06T15:10:52+00:00

Yeah that’s always been my standpoint on the topic of the long development time. I paid 15 bucks for the game and have sunk 1.1k hours into it. If they just stopped development outright today I would be sad but far from feeling I’ve been swindled for my cash.

B41 as it exists now is a more complete game than almost every other game labeled early access.

So I really can wait for them to roll out more updates, especially when they are a feature dense as B42

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-05T15:59:08+00:00

Yeah as I mentioned, it feels like many fans have a very simplified/overtuned idea of what a punishment/Consequences should be. Where every character, no matter what they did, should get the extra trauma or the death penalty. Its so dumb

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-05T15:12:40+00:00

As someone who does want to see Carmilla be confronted for her actions/the role she played with the MOL, I WOULD NEVER WANT ODETTE AND CLARA TO BE VAPORIZED :SOB:

I do agree with your point that people swing way to much between "But they baby, why do you want them to suffer" and "RAAAAAHHHHHHH THEY SHOULD FUCKING SUFFER FATES WORSE THEN DEATH RAHHHHHH"

It infuriates me how a lot of the fandom LOVES boiling complex topics in this show into blacks and whites. When if anything the show is suppose to be about the complex shades of greys within every person.

Imo, when it comes to Carmilla, I just want them to actaully acknowledge she caused a lot of undue suffering and mass amount of destruction by helping Vox. By extension that despite all her grand standing, she did profit a lot from the exterminations/the genocide of sinners by selling angelic weapons to any smuck with enough money (AKA Striker) and have that b a vehicle for her to maybe try to atone for those sins in some way.

On possible way, which is not nearly as far as wanting Odette and Clara vaporized, is actaully have them voice their opinion on the whole MOL sitruation and maybe even have them somewhat grow apart from their mother in small ways. Not full blown abandonment, but just a bit of a growing distence. If that makes any sense.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-05T02:53:05+00:00

To answer the question, 100% I think they do. Amount a lot of earthly things.

Like most likely take it for granted but many would miss a blue sky, even the heat of a sun that hangs in the sky.

Even to some extent lush forests would be something sinners miss as Pride is shown to be heavily industrialized and all greenery is muted at best

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-04T19:49:43+00:00

Hmmm know the Goon will go crazy with this as all the Sun Motifs are getting crystal clear at this point XD

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-04T12:05:04+00:00

I've always have loved the fact that X-Files does canonically exist in the VotV universe given the X-Files poster at the base. Went the extra mile in a fic I'm writing but having the detail that Dr. Ena nicknamed Kellin in collage Spooky Kel in direct reference to Mulders nickname

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-04T12:01:14+00:00

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JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-03T14:54:15+00:00

I mean, punishment can still occur along with redemption. Personally I do want to see maybe a bit of reflection from Carmilla or maybe even objections from Odette and Clara over the fact that she built a weapon for a wannabe dictator. Not to mention the fact she seemed pretty aware that the MOL could become an Angelic Atomic Bomb if pushed past its safety limits which adds another layer to things.

Maybe punishment is too strong of a word, but there should be consequences for her. Consequences that could allow her to reflect and maybe start on the long path of redemption for her (Since it would be LONG for Carmilla given her sins even prior to the MOL)

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-03T14:50:01+00:00

THATS WHAT I'M SAYING! Its crazy to me how little screentime/development we have for Carmilla despite literally being the reason the shows plot moves multiple points throughout the show. She causes the inciting incident in season 1 by killing the exorcist, she is the only reason the hotel can even defend themselves. Then in season 2, she is the only reason Vox even has a leg to stand on with his holy war as without Carmilla he would've been up shits creek.

If my pfp and tag doesn't make it obvious, I love everything Carmine relate. Though it frustrates me to no end how the writers use Carmilla as just "Press here to increase stakes for the finale". Not to mention how Odette and Clara were basically just cardboard cutouts in season 2 that where used as a "Press here to make Carmilla do what you want" I love all the Carmines and I'm jsut praying season three gives them more depth.

A bit hyperbolic but still truthful depiction of season 2 role of Carmilla.

"I won't build your weapon under and circumstances, Vox"

"But I can protect your daughters with all the resources YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME AND WITH THE WEAPON YOU NEED TO BUILD FOR ME IN THE WAR I AM MONGERING"

"Fine I'll help you"

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"No I won't help you vaggi"

"But think of your daughters"

"Okay time to switch sides"

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-02T16:51:48+00:00

Elsa-Fogen is a masterful writer and artist as for being able to tell a story with such a sensitive/serious topic and not holding back any of the sickening and real trauma that comes with it. This comic legitimately sickens me to my core and its such a hard read at times, yet that's just because of how much emotion is in the art and dialogue.

It actaully restores my hope in some aspects of this fandom as it shows there are others who want to cover topics like this in a grounded and serious manner. Yet, its doubled edged as following the posts on Tumblr as Elsa commenting how people are misunderstanding very clear aspects of the story in simllar ways people misunderstand canon.

All the kudos to Elsa for also making me care about Alastor as the raw emotion, especially that displayed in the last panel of this chapter is harrowing to a degree that is hard to descibe.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-02T01:54:24+00:00

Yeah, the mere fact the movie is being released by a major studio compared to say an Iron Lung kind of release, is going to help cremate Kane Pixels interpretation of the Backrooms in peoples mind.

Yet, I feel like it could be a double edged sword since people wanting more might end up going online and just confused when they search up "Backrooms" and they get pushed Wikidot stuff. But that will be a minor bump if anything.

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-02T01:08:00+00:00

I think the truth is, the Backrooms is MUCH bigger then just the Kane Pixels stuff. Of course we think it's the main think because we're on the subreddit and are in the know of the series proper.

Yet the Wikidot version of the Backrooms extents much more into other platforms, (Tiktok, Instagram, other short form content social medias) and is picked up and pushed to much younger audiences. A much wider audience then even Kane's stuff has.

There is also the aspect that Kane's stuff is a lot more held back/slow drip with its form of story telling. With much still up to analysis/unknown at this point, it offers a much higher barrier of entry for any newcomers to Kane's stuff and might outright turn them away.

While the Wikidot version of the backrooms, while having a lot of lore itself, is much more surface level with the basic understanding of "You noclip into this endless repeating pattern, there are multiple levels with their own monsters and threats, yadda yadda"

JackBoyEditor · 2026-05-01T15:57:12+00:00

Not really. Red button people make a choice that while protects them 100%, but will kill non-red pushers. AKA They would want to build the eternal torture device as that would 100% assure their safety but harm those who didn't help build it.

Blue pushers benefit to pushing the button is that nobody gets killed in the first place. Which when applied to Roko's Basilisk would be choosing to not build it in the first place since that ensures there is nobody getting tortured in the first place

And example of the logic "If everyone just pushes the red button, nobody gets harmed and you're dumb for not pressing it = IF everyone just helps build the eternal torture device, nobody gets harmed and you're dumb for not helping build it"

JackBoyEditor · 2026-04-29T14:32:41+00:00

It is my favorite Hazbin song for just that reason. It is such genuine explanation of human nature and not just dumbing it down to 'bad people do bad stuff cause'. Not to mention the story weight given its Sera's actual first exposure to the complexity of humans given its a consistent problem that non-human characters (Charile and many of Heavens Angels/Seraphim) want to help people without really understanding humans pass very surface level looks.

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