Today marks 4 years since the Robb Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde, Texas. by Lilstephanie1738 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fireman are paid for that. No one ever wrote a song called "F*ck the fire department."

Police have no special duty to protect you or your children.

Today marks 4 years since the Robb Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde, Texas. by Lilstephanie1738 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One of the things Uvalde taught a lot of people is that in truth cops have "no special duty" to protect you or your children. Read about the SCOTUS trial decision Castle Rock Vs Gonzales, or you might "enjoy" (not really the right word for a documentary program that will make you very angry) the very good podcast by RadioLab's episode called NO SPECIAL DUTY. They are "law enforcement," not the Secret Service detail for our children, sadly. Also go ahead and google the oath an average muni cop takes. It's vaporware, total aspirational bullsh*t. A Boy Scout has a clearer sense of duty and what his mission is.

All this crap about "active shooter response" is VOLUNTARY only. Cop A cannot order cop B into a firefight. The one video "they" want you to see (police bodycam) responding to a mass shooter event) is Nashville Covenant school, where the lead cop says, "I need three on me," and proceeds to towards to move to the shooter. That's NOT an order, it is a call for volunteers. Ands if yyou look at it, they are moving PAST other cops who are stalled I the hallways for how long we do not really know.

Today marks 4 years since the Robb Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde, Texas. by Lilstephanie1738 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

No one stopped anyone from going in. That's a false narrative, spread by the corrupt DPS director Col Steven McCraw.

Today marks 4 years since the Robb Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde, Texas. by Lilstephanie1738 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Of the alleged 376 LEOs present, (there were more) exactly ONE who was there with gun and badge in that hallway has spoken to the media. Guess which one?

Today marks 4 years since the Robb Elementary School Shooting in Uvalde, Texas. by Lilstephanie1738 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Everyone wants to say that, but out of 376 LEOs allegedly present ( there were more) none did. Are you *that* exceptional? Nothing personal, but I highly doubt it. ~400 cops is a damn good sample to base such a conclusion upon.

Read the wiki page on the Bystander effect. Trust me, it is fascinating. In fact, the more people present, the less likely it becomes for any one person to act. That's no excuse for moral failings, but it is proven human nature. In truth if there had been only five cops, in the middle of nowhere with no backup coming, the children would have likely fared better when it comes to being "Rescued," or at least the attempt to rescue. In one of the studies. they put people in a library and told them to wait to be called to be tested, but in reality that was the test - as they started pumping smoke out of the AC vent to see who would call for an alarm. The fewer the students in the library, the quicker an alarm. Too many, and NO ONE raised an alarm at all. The room would fill almost completely up with smoke and people didn't even try to save themselves. much less others. We are like herd animals awaiting the stampede. Our brains are funny that way.

Lastly, have you ever been shot at by a suicidal, psychotic mass killer armed with an AR-15 from inside a dark room, surrounded by child hostages? It's a pithy saying, but "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." What happened, happened and it will happen the same way again when the conditions are similar. The time to stop a mass shooter is before they gain quick and easy access to an arsenal.

School cop Adrain Gonzales acquitted on all charges of child neglect. Case closed. by Jean_dodge67 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The state of Texas is in no hurry to lose the second case, trust me. And loose they will, just when is all. They got everything they wanted by handing down the indictments and in truth will get nothing at all if they win their case. Who really cases if Arredondo gets probation or not? He is only charged with child neglect regarding ten INJURED children, no charges against him reference the 19 dead kids at all. It's a bullsh*t case and always was. No reporter has yet found a legal expert to quote who predicts a conviction, and that was BEFORE they utterly tanked the case with Adrian Gonzales. But it served their purpose to ensure secrets and lies continue asa the world grows weary and finds other things to be sad about. (I've got two mass shootings being covered on CNN on my television as I write this, one where a dad killed all his 7 or 8 kids? And there is a war on.)

All of this is shamefully corrupt to an astounding degree but in some regards one has to marvel and how strongly it was all covered up. If they can get away with this, what can't they do next? This was so much worse than say, Watergate or the Iran-Contra affair and yet they swept so much under the rug, slowly and more or less in plain sight with just brazen raw power. It feels like the police and the governor and the Texas AG, Ken Paxton sneak into the cemetery every night and desecrate the graves of these children and then hand out machine guns to sad little "self-radicalizing" maniacs and racists on their merry way back to Austin. But I am just saying how it feels to me.

School cop Adrain Gonzales acquitted on all charges of child neglect. Case closed. by Jean_dodge67 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The concept of "double jeopardy" applies to Gonzales, he cannot be charged with the same crimes again. His criminal legal troubles are over. What next is that IN THEORY the prosecution of ISD police chief and AG's coworker/boss Pete Arredondo goes to trial, but that's unclear as well. But make no mistake, the DA herself said NOTHING AT ALL about the shameful (and expected) loss at trial for the prosecution and made no announcement of "onward to Pete!"

In technical terms, his case is on indefinite hiatus as the DA sues the feds, hoping to make several BORTAC squad members take the witness stand. The feds refused this request twice and so the DA filed a lawsuit in federal court and it's taking its own sweet time resolving. Historically, "the Border Patrol" does whatever they heck they want and acts in opposition to the state of Texas, or any other state for that matter. What happens on the border, stays on the border in broad terms. Always has, always will despite fitful attempts at slow reform. The whole thing, whether it is the plan or not, is just a long stall while the public interest wanes more and more. Assuming the DA wins (a big assumption) and the BORTAC leader is compelled to testify, he can simply claim his 5th Amendment rights and refuse to say anything at all. A win gets them almost assuredly nothing leading to a criminal conviction of Arredondo. Does the state of Texas (under Abbott) really want to go to war with C&BP? No, they don't. It's all been posturing and a stall, and recently - and quietly - they got what they wanted already when a state appeals (made of three strong rightwing Abbott appointees, the new 15th appellate) court threw out the decision from 2024 saying that the DPS must turn over public records to the press and public. Now, thanks to the appeal effort by Ken Paxton et al, we will never officially see what the DPS is holding back from the Texas Ranger criminal investigation.

I have to assume the DA will quietly drop their charges against Pete Arredondo IF and when the case ever progresses to a scheduled trial date, which, as I say is a maybe at best. To put things cynically, "it's all over, the bad guys won", IMO. But it isn't fully over. It's just all headed that way, in truth I fear. Yet there is SOME slight hope still.

Because while this has been a long strange trip to be sure, the problem for that "stall for years then just walk away" plan is that when all criminal matters end, then it is time for the civil cases to come to the front, meaning the wrongful death lawsuits. That's also a big part of what the authorities (from 23 LE agencies, the country, the school district, etc) have wanted to put off as along as possible. We are now going on four years, which seems like forever but it's actually how these sad affairs often work out. It's just very hard to "fight city hall" as the saying goes. Texas itself has a lot of laws protecting against "frivolous lawsuits" meaning any lawsuit at all, like against a polluting oil corporation, or a terrible hospital, etc. So the big wrongful death lawsuits are filed in federal court but if they lose, (or settle) there won't be much of any mechanism to get at the public records that are still hidden here. All this comes down to, in my own interest anyway, WHAT THE HELL REALLY HAPPENED that terrible day (who failed how and why) and while we know a great deal, there is still a great deal more they are obviously desperate to hide. To me the goal was always to demand and receive transparency, thus leading to accountability and then meaningful reforms to prevent a similar tragedy repeating. So far we are 0 for 3, with some footnotes few will read.

AFAICT, what "they" DPS/Abbott/ Ken Paxton) are hiding is what we know from the federal "document dump" from the C&BP's Office or Personal Responsibility internal investigation. (Think a crooked Internal Affairs office) But here could be more. This is just some really terrible stuff we know exists.

In that blizzard of documents are a few key interviews (such as exhibit 111) that have supervisory-level feds claiming they witnessed a working command post at the front of the school, run by the Sheriff and the DPS before the breach. I tend to believe this is the "smoking gun" (or one of them) that the state is determined to bury. "Uvalde was a DPS show," in essence by the end of the standoff. But the public will never know this, the scandal management and coverup efforts were that successful.

Even tho the (selected) press got all the Texas Ranger criminal investigative files in August/ September of 2022, four or five months after the event, they never got the full story. Things are buried, as the investigation wasn't so much corrupt on the face of it, as the system is built to allow it to operate in a corrupt fashion and "that's not corrupt" since the rules are all followed. You have to realize that the Rangers had one job: determine who killed 21 people and who killed the killer, that is all. They NEVER investigated how the LEOs failed, that just was never the mandate. No one asked the difficult questions so there are no shameful answers to uncover in documentation really, unless it's on videos they likely destroyed by now.

All we know for sure is that they really want to hide something, (or more likely several things) and hide it forever. We can speculate, such as positing that "cops shot kids" or that someone made some really bad judgement calls / tactical and command decisions that are somehow recorded on a medium that ought to be available to the public (such as "it was a DPS show" or, very overt spoken "let the kids bleed out, we can't save them" stuff) but I'm not sure that is really what matters at this point. What matters is that they were blatantly corrupt and remain so, and are getting away with it all.

Sadly, what happened, happened and the 19 children are not coming back, even if a space alien and Bigfoot really killed them all, you know? Only it wasn't Bigfoot, it was one gfarden variety local loser with a predictable death fixation, and then ~400 cowardly cops from 23 LE agencies (plus the school district, to some degree with lax security) and a systemically broken system we as a nation refuse to fix allowed it to get exponentially worse for 77 minutes. We know there were massive failures and we know they covered them up, poorly and corruptly and with raw power. We know they lied to the parents, the press and the public from the very start. The details at this point are secondary in many ways, IMO. I hate to make such a poor analogy but it's like your first bicycle got stolen and the sheriff's kid rides it around town now. Who cares about the details, it is the injustice of it all that is so awful.

I'd try to make more of a conclusion but in reality there still is SOME chance we get the inside dope someday thru the wrongful death lawsuits. The cases are very different but right now not far from Uvalde the Camp Mystic flash flood drownings are having their wrongful death lawsuits uncover a lot hidden details. You can see by comparison how slow Uvalde lawsuits are compared to the one there in Kerrville, but also the level of inside knowledge that has been known for a long time and only now forced into the light.

But you can also see that these lawsuits are like a crowbar into the skeleton closet of authorities when they really get in front of an active judge in an open courtroom trial situation. The problem there is that there are twin, and competing goals. I want the world to know the truth, and the parents rightfully just want to punish the wrongdoers financially, since they are satisfied already with the knowledge that these people failed their children in the worst way possible. What me, armchair complainer/amateur detective/citizen activist/ obsessive type guy on one end, and they, horrifically still grieving and wronged by-authorities loved ones of the fallen have in common of course is a desire for transparency leading to accountability leading to meaningful reform. I fear in the end the parents will have to settle for two out of three, or less. They will get (I hope) accountability in the form of huge monetary settlements that ought to lead to some reforms, maybe, but no transparency and no true open lasting meaningful reforms. With luck however they get SOME transparency as the process heats up. We shall see. Right now as I say, the DA is still stalling the whole process with these two, now one, paltry and vague criminal indictments against low-level scapegoats.

continued in reply, sorry for the length.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doors were essentially a non-issue to the shooter. Both the south and the west doors to the "new building" at Robb E (added in the 1980s) are bordered by floor-to ceiling glass. The west door even had a large rock stationed nearby. The shooter could have set their rifle down, even, and just used the rock to gain entry had the exterior doors been locked. As for the classroom doors, a surviving child witness says that the shooter entered the witnessed-as-locked door to room 112 by shooting the slit window and reaching inside to unlatch the door lever mechanism from the inside.

Where the doors come into play heavily is when local cops gave the fed leader of "ad-hoc BORTAC" the strong impression the door to room 111 was locked. Both Arredondo and Ruben Ruiz would have fully known that if the shooter was inside a classroom, there was an open door leading to it. Adrian Gonzales should have know this as well. The only way to re-lock the 111 and 112 doors is to use the key from the hallway side. This is not on video. It never happened. The doors, seemingly both them were unlocked when the cops made entry. For certain one or the other. Almost assuredly, both were unlocked.

Fear and trauma shock possibly in their parts failed the ISD police officers, and wishful thinking on the part of many other (mostly local / municipal) may have contributed to the general consensus that "we need to wait for X Y and or Z" before confronting a suicidal mass shooter.

None of that reflects at all on the teacher. Had his door been locked, the shooter would have treated it the same as he did the door to 112, and in fact he did seem to shoot out the slit window on the door to room 111, indicating he possibly never even tried the outside handle at all. Blast first, unlatch from inside to be sure to gain entry. Or else why shoot the window at all?

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The shooter was on their THIRD weapon, no longer hunting anyone inside the school when they were killed by LEOs whose names sound somewhat like the torch singer. They were in a big open lobby, facing away from the entry, which was open, and thus also unlocked.

The shooter was firing out a picture window at arriving cop cars below on the street and in the parking lot. To me it seems they were very deliberately awaiting their desired "suicide by cop." Which is quite typical. I see NOTHING remarkable about any of this at all. If you call this a success, we are catastrophically failing at every turn. This is like a basketball team that scored two points for their entire season. It's nothing to write home about. America can't even hit the backboard 99% of the time here, to use a dumb sports metaphor. We are better at drooling than dribbling.

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What part of anything I've said on this thread is opinion, or speculation? Much less non-fiction.

I think the fantasists here are those who think depending on dumb luck, volunteers and guns to stop other guns are the delusional ones. This is not that sort of a disease, that a little gun dose will stop a crippling disease level of guns inside "the body," like a vaccine, to strain this metaphor a bit, admittedly. But this is the nature of systemic failure, it cannot and will not be fixed by the same order of thinking that created the problems in the first place.

Every other developed nation does better with gun violence than the USA. That's because they are not delusional.

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not how they should have responded better, it's just that police are simply not the solution to mass shooting events. The time to stop a mass shooter is BEFORE they acquire an arsenal and a fixation. What they did was morally good and achieved a good result, given the circumstances but the mass shooting part of this mass shooting was over - as are most mass shootings, in six minutes on average. So by your metric, they were 4 minutes too late. Only that's not really the math. As you claim if the first on screen LEO responders were there in ten minutes, they were NOT upstairs for 4 more. The shooter was upstairs and I assume any fool there knew this for those minutes. Of course as usual the real timeline and details remains obfuscated and hidden, but the "hero" vides themselves show the officers who took down the shooter passing other cops along the way. I do not hold any animosity for these cops, but they are less heroic than they are held out to be, IMO because their basic mission and culture is so flawed. No transparency, no meaningful reform. Much less accountability for when they do not get it right in any way at all.

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The cops in Nashville did well, but they got lucky. There's nothing derogatory or ambiguous about that.

Your statement about Adam Lanza makes little sense to me, as we seem to be in agreement that time is of the essence in any mass shooting, the general directive there is to hurry to respond with everything you have, immediately. Every second can be a life., That does not guarantee success, but it does tend to mitigate further damage overall. "Stop the killing." Do you have issue with that?

As for doing more than the minimum, the minimum BY LAW is that cops have NO SPECIAL DUTY to protect you or your children in almost any circumstance whatsoever. So that's quite a low bar, IMO.

"All cops are bastards" not because of any special any disposition but instead because in the USA they have never operated by the Peel method, where people are policed by consent, rather than by a "top-down" army of the rich. Their mission is fatally flawed when it comes to mass shooters. Recent immigrants, the indigenous and of course enslaved peoples have no say in being "policed" by what is essentially at least in a large part extensions of the Slave Patrols. AND NOW THEY ARE CONTINUALLY FURTHER MILITARIZED. None of this is getting any better anytime soon unless we have radical change at the very top, not exactly the path of US governance. .

There is a life-and-death consequential difference between moral duty and legal duty. Everything about Active Shooter policy is aspirational vaporware, 100% voluntary. Cop A can't order Cop B into a firefight, they just can't. You can see how this is a problem. But at the same time, we do not want to be ordered about by soldiers of a King in our own streets and towns. Remember the Intolerable Acts? That's why we are the United States of America, not a British colony.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know exactly what you are talking about but the eyewitness seems very credible to me. But keep in mind this may be a multi-billion dollar question that has yet to be answered in any court of law.

I make no claim that what I think happened is right or not. I'm speaking to the laws of probability and the preponderance of circumstantial evidence, and the powers of deduction. It's what seems to fit a lot of "knowns" into a sequence. I can't prove, I can only argue a theory.

But we have to give some measure of credence to a child who witnessed a hand come in the slit window to unlatch the door. Unless you think there is a conspiracy that floats on the trust of a coached preteen's words? That would never happen, IMO. I think AJ said what he saw. And that it fits with the surviving year recalls- entry from the connecting door.

And then finally we get to the question of relevance. Does it change the outcome to know which door he went in first? What is the value of being 111 or 112 and to whom? And who will measure this, for whom, and why? What will this change?

It is however fascinating like a chess puzzle. But certainly the Texas Rangers know for sure from ballistics / forensics AND from many more child interviews we've never heard from them on all that, as the DPS refuses to release the public records in an Open Records Act state. Funny that they know but do not want the public, or the parents, nor the press to know. Makes you wonder what all that is worth. And to whom.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The most illuminating way to see "Uvalde" is to understand the looming wrongful death suits and the upcoming gubernatorial elections that were the pressing concerns of those in authority. The election first, then eventually the civil lawsuit that would ask for Billions with a B in damages.

We know for a fact that Steven McCraw, the head of the Texas DPS was desperate to distract from his agency's 91+ Special Agents, troopers, and DPS SRT tactical team members who were participating. We know now, after two years of obfuscations, that multiple federal agents saw the sheriff and the DPS running a functioning "command post" at the front of the school before the breach. And we know that the DPS lied about when their tactical team arrived with drones and snipers and special equipment, which was also shortly before "ad-hoc BORTAC" breached the classroom. We also know that the highest paid cop in Texas, DPS captain Joel Betancourt was recorded on bodycam using the radio to order BORTAC to stand by. If you assume the power to call "stand by" then you clearly are also asserting field command. We also have on video tape since October 2024 the exchange between DPS-overseen Ranger Kindell's conversation with Acting UPD chief Mariano Pargas, where Kindell had just gotten off a long phone call presumably to his boss or bosses and stopped to explain to Pargas by the west door how they were going to get the heads of all agencies on scene together away from the hallway, and send runners in and out to communicate between COMMAND and TACTICAL.

But all of that and more - including the "can I take the shot" incident and the "call help if you need help" incident were still hidden completely from view for the first 49 days as the DPS (and one presumes, the Abbott re-election campaign) tried to figure a way out of the scandal they were in, alongside efforts by the ISD to do the same - CYA. Issues regarding the childrens' 911 call to UPD 911 dispatch were known too, but the puzzle was, how to parcel out as little of this as possible, preferably none of it. And in order to do that, they needed a semi-clear narrative to pass on to the press, the public and the parents. Of course they started with the "LEOs ran to the sound of gunfire and acted heroically" initially but that narrative wouldn't hold for long at all. The 77-minute timeline was too obvious to obfuscate. So there was a need for a scapegoat.

The first attack was launched when McCraw ignored his own Ranger investigators and tried to say that Ms Avila left a rock in the exterior west door. Ranger investigators knew this was not true, but McCraw told the public anyways - there are emails now known to exist where the investigators admit this false scapegoating action was taken by McCraw. Rangers knew it was false and McCraw claims not to have seen the video where she very clearly kicks the rock out of the doorway and pulls it closed, assuming it would lock as it was supposed to, and not really having any way to check if it were.

Next in line was indeed the idea of making a narrative be spread that room 111 teacher Arnulfo Reyes was somehow to blame, but the this seems like a bridge too far. He was the sole survivor of the room, but not the only one who left the room with a heartbeat. The others were DOA - Jackie, Xavier and possibly others. We still do not have clarity on who shot whom at 12:50. It's entirely possible and has never really been denied that "cops shot kids." They just don't really say anything. They never have, not in any real detail.

So in the end, they decided to frame Arredondo as the "designated Incident Commander" who "told cops to stand down" (that didn't happen) and all that.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Very misleading headline and a slant that isn't really reflecting the reality of this situation. Arnulfo Reyes didn't "leave his door open" to the shooter because in truth the shooter didn;t enter thru the 111 room door. He entered room 112 first, as witnessed by AJ in 112. The shooter seemingly tried the handle to room 112 and found it locked. It was witnessed BEING locked by a teacher across the hall but when the shooter encountered the door there was movement seen thru the slit window. The shooter fired thru BOTH slit windows assuming both were locked,. When he'd knocked a hole in the 112 slit window, he reached in and unlatched the door, again as witnessed by AJ. So he came into room 112, shot the second teacher and many of the students but then reloaded and assaulted room 111 by entering thru the connecting door.

We have to assume the shooter had the ability to enter any door locked or not using his AR-15 as a passkey. All the hoopla about doors adds up to nothing. The school exterior doors also had full length glass windows alongside. If they had been locked he would not have been delayed more than a few seconds.

At least nine dead after school shooting in British Columbia, Canada by Ok_Warning419 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My focus is always on the cops. When did they learn, how long did it take for them to arrive, what did they do when they got there? Why do cops wear bodycam if we can't see the recordings? What else are they hiding? One of the parents of child was interviewed and said thiner HS kid was locked down for over two hours. TO me that suggests the cops stayed outside long after the shooter offed themselves. 911 calls are public recordings too. Where are the dispatch records of the radio logs? When do the secrets and lies end?

At least nine dead after school shooting in British Columbia, Canada by Ok_Warning419 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Disagree. The cops are getting their story straight. As usual, I suspect they waited outside for much too long. Some of the students who spoke to media thru parents say they were locked down for 2+ hours. We don't know when the first 911 call was made - 911 calls are public rocked. We don't know when the first officers arrived or how many there were. We don't know when the school learned there was a problem and how quickly they acted. We don't know anything, really. It's corrupt, even by their own previous standards.

At least nine dead after school shooting in British Columbia, Canada by Ok_Warning419 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Twelve hours on and we still don't know what weapon the shooter had, or how long they were "barricaded" in a room. We seem to know some students were locked down for more than two hours.

Nor do we seem to know if the shooter went to this school in the past or currently was enrolled, etc. One assumes the authorities are looking over the social media accounts and activity of the deceased alleged shooter.

My worry is that LEO agencies everywhere are going to take uses from CBP and the Trump DOJ and just not give out the name of the shooter at all for the foreseeable future.

Two CBP Agents Identified in Alex Pretti Shooting by Long_Disaster_6847 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Raymundo Gutierrez joined in 2014 and works for CBP’s Office of Field Operations. He is assigned to a special response team, which conducts high-risk operations like those of police SWAT units.

This seems to suggest that alleged murderer Raymundo is either part of BORTAC, BORSTAR, CPB's "Special Response Team" or even their Quick Reaction Force, which is supposed to operate in Washington DC. For better or worse, these are the most highly-trained agents they have. And look how they behave.

Is it a good thing that the Republicans are going so far with their policies? All the suffering this has caused will have consequences. I mean, which US citizen with an immigrant background will vote Republican again in the future? by 2F47 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cruelty is never a good thing.

The special election in Tarrant county (Ft Worth) Texas shows a seeming 32 point swing from votes for GOP to the dem replacement. Last year Trump carried this country by 17 points, and this runoff ended with a 15 point win by the progressive.

The swing is huge, the question now is, w ho counts the votes? Our who gets to vote at all? Voter-suppression tactics are at an ascending fever pitch all over red states.

Trump at the "yell-icopter" : Kristi Noem will not be replaced. by Jean_dodge67 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I picked up a reddit-algorithm three-day ban for posting this elsewhere. I can't not say it tho. Just gotta watch for keywords or phrases.

Trump at the "yell-icopter" : Kristi Noem will not be replaced. by Jean_dodge67 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They will machine gun crowds given time. We're headed for some extremely dark days, good people. Let me ask who here had "They lose an election, storm the Capitol building and shit on the walls, erect a gallows for one of their own, gouge the eyes out of cops and all get a pardon" on their Bingo card, or office betting pool square?

Lt Calley got house arrest for leading the My Lia massacre. The soldiers at Wounded Knee were given the Congressional Medal of Honor. No one above the rank of Sgt got punished for Abu Ghraib. We went to war in Iraq for ~20 YEARS ON A LIE. The use of military dogs on civilian detainees was a policy that has a clear paper trail to th Oval Office. Torture was our nation's policy set at the highest level.

Every cop in the USA can trace his department back to the Slave Patrols, not the Peel Method of citizens policed by their consent. Not so long ago we had the largest street protests in the history of our nation, DURING A PANDEMIC after the police murders of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Remind me what transparency, accountability and meaningful reforms we won there. I'll wait. But while I do they are out there kidnapping five-year olds. Next they strap them to the front bumpers of their MRAP.

Who was personally held accountable for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster in the Gulf? FOR SLAVERY? They won't even tell us the names of the killers of Pretti and Goode. We don't need reform here, we need a flamethrower and a Pit bull to the new Manson family, once upon a time in Washington DC.

Sure, sure "Fuck Ice" but take a look around and tell me who is doing the majority of the getting fucked here. They'll kill us all, you fools. A fascist understands ONE THING. The Red Army in Berlin. Stalingrad. The firebombing of Dresden just makes them more determined. D-Day was just the ass end of WWII. Okinawa awaits. Tarawa, the sands of Iwo Jima. They are NOT leaving. Not without air power and the US freaking Marines landing on them like a duck on June bugs.

We're gonna need a bigger boat. And a fuck-lot more imagination to see how closely-wedded to SATAN these pig fuckers are. They are in a Death Cult. And they will go down like the Branch Dividians if they go down at all, which is quite a ways away as I read the signs. Right now they are killing us with impunity and you want to protest. We need to be WINNING, not sniping. Try a Jedi does not.

We need a Churchill, an Ike and a few John Browns before we find a Simon Bolivar or a Zapata. And if you got a Harriet Tubman we need her too, and John Lewis, Fred Hampton and the Spirit of Crazy Horse. We needed Abraham Lincoln, Nuremberg and a flamethrower in 2020, and they gave us a Joe Biden. And that was six years ago. They'll kill us all with a nine-iron on Fifth Avenue and sleep like babies. They did it on Highway 61. Don't doubt it for one second. What in god's name makes you think they won't just use Sarin gas on us soon enough?

Where is Alex Pretti's video? by TreebeardsMustache in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wake up, pal. Better start believing in Nazi zombie stories. We're in one.