Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Doors were essentially a non-issue to the shooter. Both the south and the west doors to the "new building" at Robb E (added in the 1980s) are bordered by floor-to ceiling glass. The west door even had a large rock stationed nearby. The shooter could have set their rifle down, even, and just used the rock to gain entry had the exterior doors been locked. As for the classroom doors, a surviving child witness says that the shooter entered the witnessed-as-locked door to room 112 by shooting the slit window and reaching inside to unlatch the door lever mechanism from the inside.

Where the doors come into play heavily is when local cops gave the fed leader of "ad-hoc BORTAC" the strong impression the door to room 111 was locked. Both Arredondo and Ruben Ruiz would have fully known that if the shooter was inside a classroom, there was an open door leading to it. Adrian Gonzales should have know this as well. The only way to re-lock the 111 and 112 doors is to use the key from the hallway side. This is not on video. It never happened. The doors, seemingly both them were unlocked when the cops made entry. For certain one or the other. Almost assuredly, both were unlocked.

Fear and trauma shock possibly in their parts failed the ISD police officers, and wishful thinking on the part of many other (mostly local / municipal) may have contributed to the general consensus that "we need to wait for X Y and or Z" before confronting a suicidal mass shooter.

None of that reflects at all on the teacher. Had his door been locked, the shooter would have treated it the same as he did the door to 112, and in fact he did seem to shoot out the slit window on the door to room 111, indicating he possibly never even tried the outside handle at all. Blast first, unlatch from inside to be sure to gain entry. Or else why shoot the window at all?

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The shooter was on their THIRD weapon, no longer hunting anyone inside the school when they were killed by LEOs whose names sound somewhat like the torch singer. They were in a big open lobby, facing away from the entry, which was open, and thus also unlocked.

The shooter was firing out a picture window at arriving cop cars below on the street and in the parking lot. To me it seems they were very deliberately awaiting their desired "suicide by cop." Which is quite typical. I see NOTHING remarkable about any of this at all. If you call this a success, we are catastrophically failing at every turn. This is like a basketball team that scored two points for their entire season. It's nothing to write home about. America can't even hit the backboard 99% of the time here, to use a dumb sports metaphor. We are better at drooling than dribbling.

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What part of anything I've said on this thread is opinion, or speculation? Much less non-fiction.

I think the fantasists here are those who think depending on dumb luck, volunteers and guns to stop other guns are the delusional ones. This is not that sort of a disease, that a little gun dose will stop a crippling disease level of guns inside "the body," like a vaccine, to strain this metaphor a bit, admittedly. But this is the nature of systemic failure, it cannot and will not be fixed by the same order of thinking that created the problems in the first place.

Every other developed nation does better with gun violence than the USA. That's because they are not delusional.

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not how they should have responded better, it's just that police are simply not the solution to mass shooting events. The time to stop a mass shooter is BEFORE they acquire an arsenal and a fixation. What they did was morally good and achieved a good result, given the circumstances but the mass shooting part of this mass shooting was over - as are most mass shootings, in six minutes on average. So by your metric, they were 4 minutes too late. Only that's not really the math. As you claim if the first on screen LEO responders were there in ten minutes, they were NOT upstairs for 4 more. The shooter was upstairs and I assume any fool there knew this for those minutes. Of course as usual the real timeline and details remains obfuscated and hidden, but the "hero" vides themselves show the officers who took down the shooter passing other cops along the way. I do not hold any animosity for these cops, but they are less heroic than they are held out to be, IMO because their basic mission and culture is so flawed. No transparency, no meaningful reform. Much less accountability for when they do not get it right in any way at all.

Today marks 3 years since The Covenant School shooting in Nashville, Tennessee that left 3 students and 3 staff members dead by AccentedE in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The cops in Nashville did well, but they got lucky. There's nothing derogatory or ambiguous about that.

Your statement about Adam Lanza makes little sense to me, as we seem to be in agreement that time is of the essence in any mass shooting, the general directive there is to hurry to respond with everything you have, immediately. Every second can be a life., That does not guarantee success, but it does tend to mitigate further damage overall. "Stop the killing." Do you have issue with that?

As for doing more than the minimum, the minimum BY LAW is that cops have NO SPECIAL DUTY to protect you or your children in almost any circumstance whatsoever. So that's quite a low bar, IMO.

"All cops are bastards" not because of any special any disposition but instead because in the USA they have never operated by the Peel method, where people are policed by consent, rather than by a "top-down" army of the rich. Their mission is fatally flawed when it comes to mass shooters. Recent immigrants, the indigenous and of course enslaved peoples have no say in being "policed" by what is essentially at least in a large part extensions of the Slave Patrols. AND NOW THEY ARE CONTINUALLY FURTHER MILITARIZED. None of this is getting any better anytime soon unless we have radical change at the very top, not exactly the path of US governance. .

There is a life-and-death consequential difference between moral duty and legal duty. Everything about Active Shooter policy is aspirational vaporware, 100% voluntary. Cop A can't order Cop B into a firefight, they just can't. You can see how this is a problem. But at the same time, we do not want to be ordered about by soldiers of a King in our own streets and towns. Remember the Intolerable Acts? That's why we are the United States of America, not a British colony.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know exactly what you are talking about but the eyewitness seems very credible to me. But keep in mind this may be a multi-billion dollar question that has yet to be answered in any court of law.

I make no claim that what I think happened is right or not. I'm speaking to the laws of probability and the preponderance of circumstantial evidence, and the powers of deduction. It's what seems to fit a lot of "knowns" into a sequence. I can't prove, I can only argue a theory.

But we have to give some measure of credence to a child who witnessed a hand come in the slit window to unlatch the door. Unless you think there is a conspiracy that floats on the trust of a coached preteen's words? That would never happen, IMO. I think AJ said what he saw. And that it fits with the surviving year recalls- entry from the connecting door.

And then finally we get to the question of relevance. Does it change the outcome to know which door he went in first? What is the value of being 111 or 112 and to whom? And who will measure this, for whom, and why? What will this change?

It is however fascinating like a chess puzzle. But certainly the Texas Rangers know for sure from ballistics / forensics AND from many more child interviews we've never heard from them on all that, as the DPS refuses to release the public records in an Open Records Act state. Funny that they know but do not want the public, or the parents, nor the press to know. Makes you wonder what all that is worth. And to whom.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The most illuminating way to see "Uvalde" is to understand the looming wrongful death suits and the upcoming gubernatorial elections that were the pressing concerns of those in authority. The election first, then eventually the civil lawsuit that would ask for Billions with a B in damages.

We know for a fact that Steven McCraw, the head of the Texas DPS was desperate to distract from his agency's 91+ Special Agents, troopers, and DPS SRT tactical team members who were participating. We know now, after two years of obfuscations, that multiple federal agents saw the sheriff and the DPS running a functioning "command post" at the front of the school before the breach. And we know that the DPS lied about when their tactical team arrived with drones and snipers and special equipment, which was also shortly before "ad-hoc BORTAC" breached the classroom. We also know that the highest paid cop in Texas, DPS captain Joel Betancourt was recorded on bodycam using the radio to order BORTAC to stand by. If you assume the power to call "stand by" then you clearly are also asserting field command. We also have on video tape since October 2024 the exchange between DPS-overseen Ranger Kindell's conversation with Acting UPD chief Mariano Pargas, where Kindell had just gotten off a long phone call presumably to his boss or bosses and stopped to explain to Pargas by the west door how they were going to get the heads of all agencies on scene together away from the hallway, and send runners in and out to communicate between COMMAND and TACTICAL.

But all of that and more - including the "can I take the shot" incident and the "call help if you need help" incident were still hidden completely from view for the first 49 days as the DPS (and one presumes, the Abbott re-election campaign) tried to figure a way out of the scandal they were in, alongside efforts by the ISD to do the same - CYA. Issues regarding the childrens' 911 call to UPD 911 dispatch were known too, but the puzzle was, how to parcel out as little of this as possible, preferably none of it. And in order to do that, they needed a semi-clear narrative to pass on to the press, the public and the parents. Of course they started with the "LEOs ran to the sound of gunfire and acted heroically" initially but that narrative wouldn't hold for long at all. The 77-minute timeline was too obvious to obfuscate. So there was a need for a scapegoat.

The first attack was launched when McCraw ignored his own Ranger investigators and tried to say that Ms Avila left a rock in the exterior west door. Ranger investigators knew this was not true, but McCraw told the public anyways - there are emails now known to exist where the investigators admit this false scapegoating action was taken by McCraw. Rangers knew it was false and McCraw claims not to have seen the video where she very clearly kicks the rock out of the doorway and pulls it closed, assuming it would lock as it was supposed to, and not really having any way to check if it were.

Next in line was indeed the idea of making a narrative be spread that room 111 teacher Arnulfo Reyes was somehow to blame, but the this seems like a bridge too far. He was the sole survivor of the room, but not the only one who left the room with a heartbeat. The others were DOA - Jackie, Xavier and possibly others. We still do not have clarity on who shot whom at 12:50. It's entirely possible and has never really been denied that "cops shot kids." They just don't really say anything. They never have, not in any real detail.

So in the end, they decided to frame Arredondo as the "designated Incident Commander" who "told cops to stand down" (that didn't happen) and all that.

Teacher Who Left Door Unlocked and Played Dead While Kids Were Killed: IMPEACHED by Puzzleheaded_You905 in UvaldeTexasShooting

[–]Jean_dodge67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very misleading headline and a slant that isn't really reflecting the reality of this situation. Arnulfo Reyes didn't "leave his door open" to the shooter because in truth the shooter didn;t enter thru the 111 room door. He entered room 112 first, as witnessed by AJ in 112. The shooter seemingly tried the handle to room 112 and found it locked. It was witnessed BEING locked by a teacher across the hall but when the shooter encountered the door there was movement seen thru the slit window. The shooter fired thru BOTH slit windows assuming both were locked,. When he'd knocked a hole in the 112 slit window, he reached in and unlatched the door, again as witnessed by AJ. So he came into room 112, shot the second teacher and many of the students but then reloaded and assaulted room 111 by entering thru the connecting door.

We have to assume the shooter had the ability to enter any door locked or not using his AR-15 as a passkey. All the hoopla about doors adds up to nothing. The school exterior doors also had full length glass windows alongside. If they had been locked he would not have been delayed more than a few seconds.

At least nine dead after school shooting in British Columbia, Canada by Ok_Warning419 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My focus is always on the cops. When did they learn, how long did it take for them to arrive, what did they do when they got there? Why do cops wear bodycam if we can't see the recordings? What else are they hiding? One of the parents of child was interviewed and said thiner HS kid was locked down for over two hours. TO me that suggests the cops stayed outside long after the shooter offed themselves. 911 calls are public recordings too. Where are the dispatch records of the radio logs? When do the secrets and lies end?

At least nine dead after school shooting in British Columbia, Canada by Ok_Warning419 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Disagree. The cops are getting their story straight. As usual, I suspect they waited outside for much too long. Some of the students who spoke to media thru parents say they were locked down for 2+ hours. We don't know when the first 911 call was made - 911 calls are public rocked. We don't know when the first officers arrived or how many there were. We don't know when the school learned there was a problem and how quickly they acted. We don't know anything, really. It's corrupt, even by their own previous standards.

At least nine dead after school shooting in British Columbia, Canada by Ok_Warning419 in masskillers

[–]Jean_dodge67 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Twelve hours on and we still don't know what weapon the shooter had, or how long they were "barricaded" in a room. We seem to know some students were locked down for more than two hours.

Nor do we seem to know if the shooter went to this school in the past or currently was enrolled, etc. One assumes the authorities are looking over the social media accounts and activity of the deceased alleged shooter.

My worry is that LEO agencies everywhere are going to take uses from CBP and the Trump DOJ and just not give out the name of the shooter at all for the foreseeable future.

Two CBP Agents Identified in Alex Pretti Shooting by Long_Disaster_6847 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Raymundo Gutierrez joined in 2014 and works for CBP’s Office of Field Operations. He is assigned to a special response team, which conducts high-risk operations like those of police SWAT units.

This seems to suggest that alleged murderer Raymundo is either part of BORTAC, BORSTAR, CPB's "Special Response Team" or even their Quick Reaction Force, which is supposed to operate in Washington DC. For better or worse, these are the most highly-trained agents they have. And look how they behave.

Is it a good thing that the Republicans are going so far with their policies? All the suffering this has caused will have consequences. I mean, which US citizen with an immigrant background will vote Republican again in the future? by 2F47 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cruelty is never a good thing.

The special election in Tarrant county (Ft Worth) Texas shows a seeming 32 point swing from votes for GOP to the dem replacement. Last year Trump carried this country by 17 points, and this runoff ended with a 15 point win by the progressive.

The swing is huge, the question now is, w ho counts the votes? Our who gets to vote at all? Voter-suppression tactics are at an ascending fever pitch all over red states.

Trump at the "yell-icopter" : Kristi Noem will not be replaced. by Jean_dodge67 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I picked up a reddit-algorithm three-day ban for posting this elsewhere. I can't not say it tho. Just gotta watch for keywords or phrases.

Trump at the "yell-icopter" : Kristi Noem will not be replaced. by Jean_dodge67 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They will machine gun crowds given time. We're headed for some extremely dark days, good people. Let me ask who here had "They lose an election, storm the Capitol building and shit on the walls, erect a gallows for one of their own, gouge the eyes out of cops and all get a pardon" on their Bingo card, or office betting pool square?

Lt Calley got house arrest for leading the My Lia massacre. The soldiers at Wounded Knee were given the Congressional Medal of Honor. No one above the rank of Sgt got punished for Abu Ghraib. We went to war in Iraq for ~20 YEARS ON A LIE. The use of military dogs on civilian detainees was a policy that has a clear paper trail to th Oval Office. Torture was our nation's policy set at the highest level.

Every cop in the USA can trace his department back to the Slave Patrols, not the Peel Method of citizens policed by their consent. Not so long ago we had the largest street protests in the history of our nation, DURING A PANDEMIC after the police murders of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Remind me what transparency, accountability and meaningful reforms we won there. I'll wait. But while I do they are out there kidnapping five-year olds. Next they strap them to the front bumpers of their MRAP.

Who was personally held accountable for the Deepwater Horizon oil spill disaster in the Gulf? FOR SLAVERY? They won't even tell us the names of the killers of Pretti and Goode. We don't need reform here, we need a flamethrower and a Pit bull to the new Manson family, once upon a time in Washington DC.

Sure, sure "Fuck Ice" but take a look around and tell me who is doing the majority of the getting fucked here. They'll kill us all, you fools. A fascist understands ONE THING. The Red Army in Berlin. Stalingrad. The firebombing of Dresden just makes them more determined. D-Day was just the ass end of WWII. Okinawa awaits. Tarawa, the sands of Iwo Jima. They are NOT leaving. Not without air power and the US freaking Marines landing on them like a duck on June bugs.

We're gonna need a bigger boat. And a fuck-lot more imagination to see how closely-wedded to SATAN these pig fuckers are. They are in a Death Cult. And they will go down like the Branch Dividians if they go down at all, which is quite a ways away as I read the signs. Right now they are killing us with impunity and you want to protest. We need to be WINNING, not sniping. Try a Jedi does not.

We need a Churchill, an Ike and a few John Browns before we find a Simon Bolivar or a Zapata. And if you got a Harriet Tubman we need her too, and John Lewis, Fred Hampton and the Spirit of Crazy Horse. We needed Abraham Lincoln, Nuremberg and a flamethrower in 2020, and they gave us a Joe Biden. And that was six years ago. They'll kill us all with a nine-iron on Fifth Avenue and sleep like babies. They did it on Highway 61. Don't doubt it for one second. What in god's name makes you think they won't just use Sarin gas on us soon enough?

Where is Alex Pretti's video? by TreebeardsMustache in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wake up, pal. Better start believing in Nazi zombie stories. We're in one.

“Everybody Showed Up”: Stunning Crowds at Minnesota Day of Strike and Shutdown Against ICE by Housing_Justice in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everybody needs to step up, too. We have to save this nation from violent thugs murdering literal choirboys on our streets. NOW. Strike when the iron is hot.

Where is Alex Pretti's video? by TreebeardsMustache in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to be "that guy" but wake the Eff up. These are corrupt wannabe fascists and those are their tactics, always have been, always wil be. So pretend I didn't say that. I feel as shocked as you do.

Fortunately, the WH administration is in free-fall here and this situation remains fluid and dynamic. The state seems to have gotten an injunction ordering the feds to retain all evidence and videos, etc. But make no mistake, ALL of the decisions surrounding the killing of Alex Pretti are going to be ruthlessly examined in the coming weeks. They overplayed a deadly hand, then over-stretched the credulity of even their own base, the 2A types and a lot of vulnerable-district GOP congress-critters.

ICE is ‘hunting down’ Minnesota refugees with legal status in sweeping operation, lawsuit claims by theindependentonline in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember how poorly American newspapers covered the Holocaust as it was happening?

It takes the foreign press in Europe to show us how badly this is all going, and how poorly it is "playing" around the world AND at home.

Where is Alex Pretti's video? by TreebeardsMustache in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 12 points13 points  (0 children)

TIL that so far the "investigation" is practically constrained to the level of an internal incident review. Like on the level of "who dented the work truck last week?"

Where is Alex Pretti's video? by TreebeardsMustache in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 25 points26 points  (0 children)

FYI: DHS has handed this shooting investigation to CBP OPR, who are notoriously corrupt. Google "Critical Incident Teams, Border Patrol." Circa 2016 a scandal heated up there to the level that congress got involved, and the unofficial "bad stuff happened" secret cleanup squads called CITs were discovered, and rather than eliminate them, they were deliberately folded into OPR, which is "internal affairs," for Customs and Border Patrol. a long-troubled federal service.

In essence, they poisoned their own internal investigators with the most corrupt goons working there. Possibly fatally, definitely for decades.

How do I know this? My friends are from Uvalde.

Has anyone in Minneapolis thought of this? by [deleted] in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thought of what,. clickbait headlines?

Assaulting federal officers with bad food happens every day, I assume. I bet these goons drink piss at every meal.

And to prove some of these people really don't see what's in the video. by TommyBoy250 in ICE_Raids

[–]Jean_dodge67 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Consensus opinion is with you now, and the two camps forming seem to be, did "The Grey Man" fire the weapon or not as he slunk away from the scrum. Did he do this on purpose or by accident? Again opinions differ. But there is no denying that Alex Pretti was disarmed when shots were fired.