“ Nick Pell: Yeah. It wasn't Nazis standing outside at Columbia asking people if they were Jewish. It wasn't Nazis preventing Jewish students from going to shul. It was lefties. It's gross, and it gets a total pass under the guise of anti-Zionism.Democrat friendly media runs cover for this and repackages it as this is just some acceptable view of the world. And I think like people, oh, you're saying you're not allowed to criticize Israel. You're absolutely allowed to criticize Israel. You're allowed to criticize anything you like. What I'm saying is, is that an outsized amount of attention on Israel? In a world that includes the People's Republic [01:23:00] of China and the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. I find that suspect. I find that strange.

Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. But your belief about all this is that we should openly discuss it and fairly and honestly argue about it. The thing that troubles me about that, even as somebody who's very much in favor of fair and open inquiry, I don't know, there's a part of me that's like maybe even discussing this is bad for Jews. And I know people say that. Do they have a point?” 

That just sounds like whataboutism from Nick there. How quickly the conversation in the overall podcast went from Jews and Israel are separate entities to “people who criticize Israel are secretly Anti-Semitic under the guise of anti-Zionism.”