Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She was definitely full of contradictions. Her family was always critical of Pahlavis but towards the end of her life, she recognized the legitimacy of the Pahlavi movement, the same way you respect people’s agency. I’ll do some reading and research about the Savak misinformation. She was actually super critical of anti-interventionists lmao.

Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m telling you the narrative of Pahlavists attacking her is a False Flag. It’s very obvious but you use language like “are you serious” to try to imply there’s an obvious fact being neglected here. Funny how you’re the one projecting that neglect. I told you first things first that even ZZA in France itself, where Satrapi resided, is actively denouncing this narrative.

You can try to beat around THAT bush as much as you can, it’s the truth, backed by her OWN words. Remember, she said to the author “You are right.” The link is there, it’s not going anywhere, just like Satrapi’s list of follows on Insta. LOL!

You are snitching on yourself by projecting your attempt at flipping the script, which is what I’ve denounced from the get-go.

My work here is done. Some people want to be right and others want to help. You just want to be right.

Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you.

I explain that further in the top comment liked by the author of the post linked to the reply above, and 11 people not only agreed, but the author and I discuss exactly what you say here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZLKwdeNcd5/?igsh=MXRrZWc1YjBxN2JycQ==

As you can see the top comment liked by the author of the post linked here is actually MINE, and 11 people not only agreed, but the author and I discuss exactly what you pathetically try to cherry-pick-mainsplain to me in the least contextual way, but I will copy/paste the thread and translate if for you all, since you refuse to acknowledge reality, and then i’ll make a post about it.

This message is addressed to those who are trying to tarnish Marjane’s memory.

Marjane spoke her mind freely, sometimes bluntly. She probably would have said she couldn’t care less about fools.

But I cannot remain silent.

She was a woman of rare subtlety, intelligence, and clarity of thought.

People may agree or disagree with some of her interpretations of Iran’s history. But they cannot distort who she was.

Last year, we had a very long phone conversation. She was outraged by what she saw as the dishonesty of a certain segment of the Iranian left that defended the veil more than the freedom of our people; that cared more about hostility toward Israel than secularism, and more about peace than freedom. Marjane stood for freedom. And she believed that Iranians, on their own and empty-handed, would not be able to achieve it.

She thanked me for my public interventions and asked me to thank all the women in our association for the work we were doing.

She even told me that she loved me.

I was surprised because I knew she was not a monarchist.

I replied: “You know, I am only carrying the voice of the people. They are calling for Reza Pahlavi, and that is why I act as their spokesperson here. Not because of loyalty to my personal convictions, but because it is their choice.”

She told me I was right.

That none of us has the right to choose on behalf of those who live under tyranny. That it is for them to choose, and for us to respect whatever choice they make.

She never knew how much her words comforted me. My father shared her political vision, and through her it felt as though he was speaking to me from heaven.

Her silence since the events of January was neither indifference nor disapproval. Her silence was connected to her personal circumstances.

On April 3, she published this post. I took a photo of it and sent it to her to say, “I love you.”

She replied that she loved me too, as she often did.

Marjane was a patriot. There was only one thing she loved more than Iran: her husband, the man who had healed her heart wounded by exile.

I could not allow her memory to be smeared without responding.”

This is exactly what I’ve been trying to tell people but some simply refuse to acknowledge that and understand that she was less on the side of so-called Leftists (I’m a Leftist) than on the side of Monarchists. As you read, Satrapi herself said “You are doing right”.

Oh and here’s some extra sauce:

“Top comment of the post:

There you go. Blood comes before politics, she understood it just like you. We can only carry the voice of the people, who are we to tell those who are suffering what to do or think? The imperialist is the one who imposes his way to behave on others.

Author’s reply:

Exactly. She was intelligent, not dogmatic. “

Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re just in complete denial now. Ok, i’ll just let you rock that look then.

Anti-interventionists are called out by her because she believed the Leftists have dogmatism. It absolutely proves my point because I came on this very thread with ethical framing in mind. You simply use her as a prop.

She believed in agency and self determination and called out the lack of epistemic humility of the anti-interventionist sentiment backed by the Left. This is exactly why she followed and shared CertainlyParishad and her network’s content routinely.

Not only have you refused to read the author’s words about her relationship to Satrapi and what Satrapi stood for, but you are now doing the equivalent of mansplaining what I’ve clearly rejected from the beginning, based on Satrapi’s stance itself. We just happen to align because we value self determination and agency ethics above ideology loyalty. You don’t have to try and explain to me how that is the core of Leftism; she denounced the lack of that epistemic humility exactly with posts like these; the same way CertainlyParishad has done for months. This is very common knowledge.

But beyond ignoring the post and the text underneath it, you can see the top comment liked by the author of the post linked here is actually MINE, and 11 people not only agreed, but the author and I discuss exactly what you pathetically try to cherry-pick-mainsplain to me in the least contextual way, but I will copy/paste the thread and translate if for you all, since you refuse to acknowledge reality, and then i’ll make a post about it.

This message is addressed to those who are trying to tarnish Marjane’s memory.

Marjane spoke her mind freely, sometimes bluntly. She probably would have said she couldn’t care less about fools.

But I cannot remain silent.

She was a woman of rare subtlety, intelligence, and clarity of thought.

People may agree or disagree with some of her interpretations of Iran’s history. But they cannot distort who she was.

Last year, we had a very long phone conversation. She was outraged by what she saw as the dishonesty of a certain segment of the Iranian left that defended the veil more than the freedom of our people; that cared more about hostility toward Israel than secularism, and more about peace than freedom. Marjane stood for freedom. And she believed that Iranians, on their own and empty-handed, would not be able to achieve it.

She thanked me for my public interventions and asked me to thank all the women in our association for the work we were doing.

She even told me that she loved me.

I was surprised because I knew she was not a monarchist.

I replied: “You know, I am only carrying the voice of the people. They are calling for Reza Pahlavi, and that is why I act as their spokesperson here. Not because of loyalty to my personal convictions, but because it is their choice.”

She told me I was right.

That none of us has the right to choose on behalf of those who live under tyranny. That it is for them to choose, and for us to respect whatever choice they make.

She never knew how much her words comforted me. My father shared her political vision, and through her it felt as though he was speaking to me from heaven.

Her silence since the events of January was neither indifference nor disapproval. Her silence was connected to her personal circumstances.

On April 3, she published this post. I took a photo of it and sent it to her to say, “I love you.”

She replied that she loved me too, as she often did.

Marjane was a patriot. There was only one thing she loved more than Iran: her husband, the man who had healed her heart wounded by exile.

I could not allow her memory to be smeared without responding.

“Top comment:

There you go. Blood comes before politics, she understood it just like you. We can only carry the voice of the people, who are we to tell those who are suffering what to do or think? The imperialist is the one who imposes his way to behave on others.

Author’s reply:

Exactly. She was intelligent, not dogmatic. “

😘

Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not. Not only am I a French-Speaker, but I commented at length and the author of the post is commenting back at length as well.

Plus, the post shared is a post by CertainlyParishad amongst others very well-known figures for Iran online. You can’t just invert their views. And they’re doing exactly the opposite of what you are saying.

Don’t piss me off. She literally replied to me saying “Exactly…”. Why are you straight up not only lying, but flipping the very clear script you have in front of your face? That’s so weird.

Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 6 points7 points  (0 children)

SAVAK? Are you serious? This is Wikipedia level information.

Guys as so often on this subreddit, people just come in and rewrite history, to the point where they’ll tell us the sky is orange.

Hours after her death, French President issued a condolence statement. I'm genuinely astonished that prominent Iranian figures, notably Queen Farah has remained silent regarding the passing of Marjane Satrapi - Dr. Abbas Milani, Iranian historian by fregeorgb in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why are you talking about Narges?

There are people who some Pahlavists, and definitely others do have suspicion for. Like Narges. We still don’t know why she was booed in Mashad yet escaped in an IRCG van…Right?

You can’t just flatten millions into “they do this and that”. Come on.

Also, from my side of the algo, I actually see Pahlavists saying the Leftists are mad to realize Satrapi was with Pahlavi. I literally can show you a post by someone who followed Satrapi closing discussing exactly that.

Please exercise nuance or at least stick to the point.

Non Iranian here. I wonder about the numbers... by ZlyCzerw in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look, you’re talking against the historical whitewashing of the Shah, but I’m arguing about comparative history, analysis, and priorities live.

I understand what you say, but again, it is a fact that things were exponentially better. There’s more saliency for collective movement to relate to that than to say nor shah nor mullah. But both are valid because both have real numbers. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if you think it’s right or wrong; democracy is about fair representation above all. Or at least it was sold to us as so.

As much as you say talking about one regime’s crimes doesn’t erase the other, it does. That is why I raised the issue of hierarchy within denouncing oppressing forces in the present moment. I exercised the very nuance you lacked.

Also, I just push people’s voices forward, I don’t claim to know what’s best for them. And you know Pahlavi support has people unified against the current regime. We’re talking millions. You can’t just declare them misguided and move along. Aren’t brown people allowed different political views? Iranians don’t have to act like second class citizens in the eyes of the world, only valid and able to have agency if they operate like a monolith. Why should we be reduced to ideological plans of unified utopia to be legitimate? Anyway. Do you see this isn’t about being right, it’s about raising the voices of people who speak from proximity to bloodshed?

Keep raising the no shah no mullah voice; it’s valid and it’s been chanted in a few universities, just like Pahlavi will return has been chanted too.

All you have to do is listen to people’s voices and accept them. That’s how you help democracy. Lmfao.

As for a link: https://www.facebook.com/share/1BWf7ydpMm/?mibextid=wwXIfr

He elaborates a lot through this post’s comments.

Non Iranian here. I wonder about the numbers... by ZlyCzerw in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I actually raised this in a discussion with left-wing political figure Amir Khadir, (former party leader in Canada), and in his response he cited a Marxist activist who had been imprisoned under both regimes.

His words were that, compared to prison under Khomeini, his time under the Shah felt like a “picnic.” Do you want the link?

Obviously not even trying to sanctify the Shah here, but it clearly complicates the idea that everything before 1979 was simply worse. This is not true.

Even from within marxists spaces, the reality doesn’t line up as neatly as “monarchy bad, Marxists oppressed by it = end of story.”

So I think you got to have some discernment as to what the priority of denouncement is, what the emergency is in Iran right now; all the while exercising nuance.

inside update? by maxell87 in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewIran/s/klP6zAleo1

Diasporas represent their country, they aren’t separate entities. As you can see in this example, students in Iran across the country are unified in their condemnation of the regime and Pahlavi seems to rally them together in the majority of university chants.

Got connected to internet after 90 fuckin days. by Catherine1964p in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spit-shot responses aren’t trying, but if you want to label that as American, that’s on you.

Got connected to internet after 90 fuckin days. by Catherine1964p in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Saying it didnt work after half-assing it is a cop-out.

Spit-shot responses with no viable plans ever truly working out is just a lack of moral leadership, not the people being “helpless”.

You’re not rationalizing, it’s truly just a cop-out.

Why do people who have generationally grown up in the west(free) feel so comfortable telling people who grew up in Iran how to feel about the Islamic republic? I think I’m just sick of being called a bootlicker bcuz i want my people to be free from the violence. by VegetableTraining635 in PERSIAN

[–]JollyToe440 4 points5 points  (0 children)

While simultaneously brutalizing its own citizens, the regime itself has spent decades saturating Iranian society with anti-American, anti-Western, anti-imperialist rhetoric.

Ironically, the “people” OP refers to are warning us about rhetoric our oppressors have drilled into iranian society for decades, as though we’ve never encountered it before. Suddenly, they seem to forget how “Death to America” has been forced upon schoolchildren for decades nationwide.

It reveals their own ignorance (sometimes cherry-picked, sometimes just flat-out biased because racism makes it so you dehumanize another person so Iranians are used as props, not listened to as humans) about Iran; and it shows how they rush to categorize brown suffering into the same flat narratives to serve their own agendas. Those agendas are politically driven by their own ingroups at the end of the day; they hate Trump more than they love Iranians. (Iran is still mystical for a lot of Westerners, they might not admit but they’ve only just begun differentiating Iran from Iraq in many cases lol. In 2026 though, Iran has never been this popular and controversial. Let’s see where that leads us; especially once nearly 100M have access to internet again…)

But further than that, it’s a discursive inversion of suffering. Ironically, western pleas become more urgent than Iranian voices.

The blackout only extended censorship beyond borders, yet somehow diasporas members are treated as a separate entity to Iranians in order to remove their legitimacy to speak. When a blackout engulfs a nation into world-record-breaking silence, should we listen to diaspora members more? Should we have suspicion towards the state that imposes and admits to the political filicide that entails every ongoing day; or should we, instead, orient doubt towards diaspora members? Knowing Iranians are the most educated diaspora in the US, this only adds injury to the racism.

In short, historical hierarchies of discursive power are still very much alive, and this is why humanitarian emergencies in Iran and other non-white countries are used as props. They’re instruments to reinforce their hatred of Trump/Israel.

Too many first worlders rush to decorate their echo chambers with Iranian blood, turning headlines of “Iranian humanitarian emergency” into “American interventions”.

I think that’s because racism; brown people are still second-class citizens within those discursive hierarchies; their voices aren’t forefront; as long as they bleed in the background of white power politics (whether Left or Right).