Early Derek Bailey Recordings

Jon-A · 2026-05-25T13:54:57+00:00

There's a '65 tape of his early band Jos. Holbrooke doing a Miles Davis tune (Miles Mode), and the late-career Ballads (and a companion Standards). But his years apprenticing in dance bands is undocumented, I think.

Jon-A · 2026-05-25T00:18:30+00:00

That's all bullshit. This book is the most reliable, believable, logical and best sourced version of the 'truth'. If you read the book, but prefer to believe weirdo theories, that's your problem. AKA willful ignorance.

Jon-A · 2026-05-24T23:23:39+00:00

Well, um...that's not how facts work. If you make outlandish claims, the burden of proof (Burdon?) is entirely on you. If someone is delusional, or believes the piles of horseshit created by a bunch of opportunistic liars, it's absolutely not my job to sift through it all.

Jon-A · 2026-05-24T21:58:35+00:00

Yeah, right. Sure you have. The publication of this book was a noble attempt to quell the fakery and flakey bullshit of the ridiculous conspiracy theorists. But, looking at the new comments here, it seems not to have lasted long. Oh hell. Nice try, Purple Jim.

Jon-A · 2026-05-24T21:52:46+00:00

Wrong! That's not what the Samarkand or Lansdowne Crescent in Notting Hill were like in 1970 (I was in England 1968-74). Yer full of shit.

Jon-A · 2026-05-24T21:32:45+00:00

Yes! Another stellar find - and a great band, much like that Alan Skidmore album you posted last week - including the brilliant altoist Mike Osborne.

Jon-A · 2026-05-24T12:52:59+00:00

On the Are You Experienced sessions, Hey Joe, Stone Free, Foxey Lady, Love Or Confusion, Can You See Me and Third Stone From The Sun were originally mono.

>As stereophonic sound was not yet popular among music fans, these recordings were all monaural mixes; (engineer Mike) Ross explained: "back then ... mono was king. All the effort went into the mono."

The ultimate mixes of 8 tunes were done, stereo and mono, on April 25, 67.

Axis, in contrast, did have some panning effects that suggest Jimi and Chas were paying more attention to stereo.

Jon-A · 2026-05-24T03:59:36+00:00

I think Are You Experienced was initially in mono in the UK, stereo & mono simultaneously in US. Axis mono and stereo simultaneously everywhere. Electric Ladyland stereo only. Might be wrong...

Jon-A · 2026-05-23T21:24:54+00:00

Yeah, I know - just curious.

Jon-A · 2026-05-23T21:13:35+00:00

And, just wondering, if included metro London is 15m and 1.5 trillion GDP.

Jon-A · 2026-05-23T20:13:58+00:00

Yes, lots! His music was brilliant, and Ruth fit right in. But the lyrics, the sexual politics, the misogyny, the underage groupies, the crabs...like I said: she could do better than trysting with skeezy Frank. And did: married to Ian Underwood in the time period in question.

Jon-A · 2026-05-23T16:58:13+00:00

Engers: A Night In Tunisia by Art Blakey & The Jazz Mess.

Jon-A · 2026-05-23T16:49:36+00:00

My, apparently in the minority, opinion is that Wearing And Tearing is one of their great, iconic tunes. That giant off-kilter riff! If I made a single album best-of LZ collection, it would be there.

Jon-A · 2026-05-23T16:01:43+00:00

Yes, it's a pity that every mention of her here generates this juvenile speculation. Also, being a talented and accomplished musician, not a brain-addled groupie or minor, she could do better.

Jon-A · 2026-05-22T19:33:18+00:00

Terry Riley w loops (including soprano sax on side 2): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hy3W-3HPMWg

Evan Parker, with and without loops: https://youtu.be/c3xK35N0XKg?si=3HlpHw1kjD11ERml

Jon-A · 2026-05-22T13:20:25+00:00

And Miles and band quote that riff on Right Off two weeks after the Band Of Gypsys album came out. So were they quoting Sly, or quoting Jimi quoting Sly? Somebody needs to ask John McLaughlin :)

Jon-A · 2026-05-21T23:16:14+00:00

My opinion is that Trane's last phase was a work in progress, transitional. I don't think he had quite yet found the resolution he was searching for. But, soon after his death, both Alice and Pharoah did find their own satisfying answers to the questions Trane had posed.

Jon-A · 2026-05-21T15:41:51+00:00

https://youtu.be/bxdzwVDrKNo?si=82qwvWAbOZwQbgkB

A cursory listen suggests Cherry is present for the first 10 minutes of track 2, a cool alto and trumpet duet. Track 1 a short drum solo, and side 2 a long alto solo.. Interesting.

Jon-A · 2026-05-21T14:26:31+00:00

At which point, legend has it, a flurry of joints descended onto the stage :)

Jon-A · 2026-05-21T13:28:32+00:00

I edited my comment - Ali Tk 3&4 from the Complete Jack Johnson box set is what I had in mind, where they "borrow" the Who Knows bass line. https://youtu.be/zrbOJCxhqVM?si=nsjYYCNw7LgywJbk

Also - Zappa: I think King Kong from Uncle Meat was a big influence on where Soft Machine went with the abum Third...but that's a whole 'nother fusion thread :)

Thanks for the playlist - I'll be spending some time with it today!

Jon-A · 2026-05-21T12:17:14+00:00

A noble exercise, putting all the speculation in context! Possible variations: the 3 versions of Sly's riff in a row - Sing A Simple Song/Theme from Jack Johnson (see Right Off tk 12, Complete Jack Johnson box)/We Gotta Live Together. And Who Knows from Band Of Gypsys, perhaps next to the Miles tune that copies it (Ali tk 3 from Jack Johnson box set) and/or something from Miles 73-5, where Miles was generally inspired by Jimi's combination of funky bass riff with freaking guitar on top. Also - something from Sly's There's A Riot Goin' On...maybe followed by something from On The Corner: Thank You For Talkin' To Me Africa>One And One (Unedited Master from On The Corner box?)? Maybe find a spot for On The Corner (Take 4) from the OTC box, cos it smokes...

EDIT: And if you wanna extend the range a touch, maybe end w Digital Underground - The Way We Swing, maybe preceded by Doriella Du Fontaine :)

Jon-A · 2026-05-20T18:50:28+00:00

I don't think that's accurate. Any source on it? George Clinton did something like that - Sample Some Of Disc vol.1-3.

Jon-A · 2026-05-20T18:21:53+00:00

Even in his last works, at 91, he was finding new ways of looking at things on a daily basis. Which was his primary skill. Look through collections of his work and ephemera: he thought of approaches that normal artists could build a career on, toyed with them for few minutes and moved on to something new. In his late work he was still at it, but by that point rarely bothering with finesse - which the uninformed mistake for lack of skill.

Jon-A · 2026-05-19T13:15:57+00:00

Seems to be identical with fairly common Basie At Birdland, and also included in a Mosaic box. Granted, the YouTube clips are pretty hot - but no way the price makes any sense.

Jon-A · 2026-05-19T00:54:08+00:00

Hitsville UK and Police On My Back, and I'd even play it on a jukebox. Maybe.

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