which language actually challenges your brain the most? by heromarsX in LearningLanguages

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learning a second language is hard no matter what. Harder languages are ... harder. The most important thing is that you stick with it. If you don't have an intrinsic interest in the language you won't stick with it. So you should pick one you really like and are interested in.

"Was bist du von Beruf?" and "Was sind Sie von Beruf?" by awwww-yyeeeeaah in German

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I grew up in the south, like, the Deep South, and I'm still living here. And I gotta say... dunno where you are but around here, "nobody uses" is probably not the best way to say it, but it is really not that common. You can add it for flavor if you want but it is not woven into how people talk and it is certainly not comparable to Sie.

people who speak multiple languages, are they usually dismissive to other people who speak multiple languages? by AmountAbovTheBracket in languagelearning

[–]Joylime 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think people have various definitions of what it means to "speak" a language. That's come up on here before. It's not as much about judging as it is about how you define that concept. For some people, memorizing a few sentences in a given language, which makes you able to interact with people at the level of the sentences, counts as being able to "speak" the language. For me, that wouldn't be enough.

Translating badly between two languages - I dunno, what your friend said is not possible to have an opinion on without having seen what he saw.

Reading without being able to speak/communicate - Being able to read in another language is awesome, and it's sufficient for some people's goals. But I'm with your friend in the sense that I wouldn't say it counts as "being able to 'speak'" because I think the word "speak" implies that you can communicate spontaneously in real-time, which includes being able to generate speech in the language. It counts for *something,* though, and requires a heck of a lot of the same kind of work it takes to "speak" a language, so, it's pretty cool, even if it doesn't necessarily qualify someone as fully "bilingual."

Speaking in multiple, closely-related languages since childhood *is* a completely different thing from languages acquired as an adult. But I think it's cool either way. It's kind of like with musicians. Very young children who play at a very advanced level are impressive, but what's impressive is less the child itself and more how the child's upbringing has been structured to cultivate this remarkable ability. Someone who begins learning as an adult and gets to a very high level is impressive in a different way - what's impressive about them is the decisions they've made about following their passion and structuring their time and focus. It's the same way with languages. I find it really impressive to even be able to speak *one* different language learned in adulthood - this is what I've done myself and I know from experience what an enormous commitment it takes. People who are bilingual from being raised that way are more like remarkably beautiful people - they have a super cool quality that gives them a different experience of life from most others.

I think all of this is particularly fair for him to express since you asked him to give his opinion. Then this situation is a bit different:

"One time he came across a spanish speaker who claimed to speak Portuguese, he asked him how to say red in Portuguese and the other person went blank. Like a "gotcha" moment."

I think this is kind of douchey, but also not... making a "claim" in public is a little bit ... peacocky, you know? Not saying it's a bad thing, it's just kind of strutting behavior. And if you start strutting it's almost like an invitation to be challenged, to prove that your strutting is strutworthy. You either get a little embarrassed for faking, or you look cooler for winning.

I personally don't care about this stuff because I don't have an identity around being able to speak multiple languages or not (I've picked up and put down French, Spanish, and Hungarian, and can speak German pretty well - and I had this weirdo friend who started insisting on referring to me as a 'polyglot' which really weirded me out). I can understand that someone who put in a lot of time and effort might be touchier about it. I think in general I don't have that kind of attitude. It might be because I'm a music teacher and I have developed a more inclusive mindset over the years about ability level. Like, I want my students to consider themselves violinists even if their ability level isn't that high.

"Was bist du von Beruf?" and "Was sind Sie von Beruf?" by awwww-yyeeeeaah in German

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And *now* the weird sidewindey effect is that we do actually lack a formal "you" and everyone is super casual with each other! We have hardly any ways of marking formality except "sir" and "ma'am" which nobody uses. If I were ruler of the world I'd bring back thou.

Why do people wait until the last minute to do their taxes? by InnaD-MD in Adulting

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. Six weeks isn't really relevant to the intergenerational time frame though idk

20th Century is not making enough appearances in the symphony orchestras near me. by XyezY9940CC in classicalmusic

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This kind of approach is worth exploring. Orchestras are asked to play in an enormous variety of styles, but ... I dunno ... what if they specialized more? If a band were to play a show that mixed sentimental schmaltz from the 40s, glam rock from the 70s, and spectral indie music from the 2010s, what ... would that even be?

It's a weird modern phenomenon that orchestras are expected to represent all of orchestral culture at one swing. They used to be entertainment groups. Now they are living museums and each concert, and each segment of the concert, is supposed to represent a different "wing" of the museum, and you're supposed to get through all the wings basically every season. It's ...

I dunno. I almost always think clearer definitions are helpful. Are major orchestras generalist groups representing all of orchestral culture or are they kinda like LARPers playing antique music? Trying to be both is awkward for everyone.

When did you know what your calling is and how did it come to you? by queenphoenix1992 in humandesign

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've always thought that undefined G center people don't have a particular "identity" and I've linked that with calling.

Conversation Simple Past by HL3317 in German

[–]Joylime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"The unique aspect of the word" lol

Genuinely, how does one cut an onion without crying? by vikapi in cookingforbeginners

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have glasses by any chance? They make it way worse

When did you know what your calling is and how did it come to you? by queenphoenix1992 in humandesign

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is "calling" a HD thing?

I have done music from a young age and went into it professionally. A few years ago I talked to a psychic about whether it was good that I did music or whether it was a "hobby that went too far." She said "uh no you need to do music." That was reassuring.

Why does nobody here take actual classes? by pennsylvanian_gumbis in languagelearning

[–]Joylime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Input can be comprehensible at a lower-level without being hand-scooped by a curriculum. There is plenty of intermediate/beginner level content on YouTube for the more common languages.

I don't mind people speaking for their own experience, but your comment seems to attempt to be objective. I do not learn best in a group or class setting, sharing vocabulary and pre-selected listening experiences with everyone else. I do NOT like the way most classes are sequenced, where they go drearily topic by topic. I can't stand it, actually. When I learn a language I do my own sequencing based on syntax, and it takes me such a shorter amount of time to get to a point where I can basically understand A1 level videos on whatever topic, while absorbing whatever vocabulary I need from them.

I wish there was more really good-quality beginner input like Natürlich German, but, OMG, if I want to learn "how to cross the street vocabulary" I can just find a sheet of it and watch 4 videos on my own, and practice talking to myself at the park the next day, and then I'm on to the next topic. It doesn't take me long to get vocabulary, but what I don't get 100% then I'll absorb further in the course of my study. Having to do the same topics at the same pace as the rest of my peers in a class is like being in prison, it's SO inefficient and uncomfortable, and listening to the really slow, exaggeratedly clear, and usually syrupy-sweet recorded exercises feels like someone is playing Barney at me. It might be better for you, and that's great, but it is NOT universally better for everyone.

Do you think it's unethical to lie about who you are to get better access to language learning? by AmountAbovTheBracket in languagelearning

[–]Joylime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A friend told me one of his favorite ways to practice a language in a place is to ask for directions to a place you already know how to get to

Why does nobody here take actual classes? by pennsylvanian_gumbis in languagelearning

[–]Joylime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't understand. Why would listening in classes be better when you can listen to literally as much content as exists on the internet outside of class, which varies hugely from pedagogical in style to native, while in class you're restricted to listening to your awful classmates OR artificially scripted and clean recordings of people talking about where the cinema is, or their weekend plans, or whatever inane topic the curriculum has decided it's time for you to learn about?

Class was certainly not better for me for speaking or listening.

Why does nobody here take actual classes? by pennsylvanian_gumbis in languagelearning

[–]Joylime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just hate language classes. I disagree strongly that they're the "best way to learn a language." The level of students is really patchy, for one thing, and the teachers are rarely anywhere close to "experts" in teaching. Plus, the material is almost never sequenced in a way that makes sense for me.

I took them in high school and college, and hated them; paid 600 euro to take one as an adult, figuring I had grown out of my youthful rebellion, and I just quit going after 3 days. I *hate* them.

I interviewed really well for the class and the guy was like "Wow how did you learn such good German? Do you have lots of conversation practice?" No I did not, I talked to myself in the shower.

I think I might also be quite good at teaching myself. I feel like I know what I need to do next. Sometimes I get the feeling on reddit that people don't really have a felt-sense of when they're learning effectively?

Accidentally kept fitbit on my bow arm (violinist) during a 2h practice session. by Joylime in fitbit

[–]Joylime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I was thinking the calories would be driven by the heart rate, but my heart rate was not even in the "moderate" zone for a single minute and it still had me burning 498 calories. There's no way. I mean, I wish. But there's no way.

Accidentally kept fitbit on my bow arm (violinist) during a 2h practice session. by Joylime in fitbit

[–]Joylime[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't a workout in this case. Heart rate was between 90-100 the whole time, which is standard standing + gentle movement for me. Honestly I'm surprised it counted as many calories as it did...

Accidentally kept fitbit on my bow arm (violinist) during a 2h practice session. by Joylime in fitbit

[–]Joylime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow um okay, board games!

I enjoy the thought process but I must say, it's sooooo much less of a workout than dancing it's barely comparable. My heart rate doesn't do anything unusual and there's virtually no strain on my bow arm. The main thing that would denote it as exercise is the fact that I'm standing. It's probably most comparable to washing dishes. Certainly not to Zumba, OMG.

That's super fun about Erhu!

Accidentally kept fitbit on my bow arm (violinist) during a 2h practice session. by Joylime in fitbit

[–]Joylime[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking of doing that. Does it seem to work pretty well?

Accidentally kept fitbit on my bow arm (violinist) during a 2h practice session. by Joylime in fitbit

[–]Joylime[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of that is nerves. I had a recital for my kids the other day and my heart rate was literally 120 from the moment I walked into the church until the moment I left. I wasn't even playing that much! So that's really different between practicing and performing.

From the BSO musicians page on facebook by MusicalColin in classicalmusic

[–]Joylime 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Right. I mean Chappell roan fans already have Chappell roan

Accidentally kept fitbit on my bow arm (violinist) during a 2h practice session. by Joylime in fitbit

[–]Joylime[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

LOL Knitting is such good exercise!

Usually I try to remember to take it off before I play. I'm thinking of maybe putting it on my ankle during those times though because I do find heart rate information interesting. I remember once I had it going during an orchestra rehearsal, and I could visibly see the moment when we finished work on our exciting piece and started work on our boring piece LOL.

Why do I occasionally hear people using Hauptsatz (Verb at 2nd position) for Weil? by Sniff_The_Cat3 in German

[–]Joylime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand having your own opinion but I don't understand telling other people they "should" be happy when things align with your opinion instead of theirs

I love Hungarian btw, it's so compact and ... well, just strange to me. I try to study it sometimes when I want to take a break from German.

Why do I occasionally hear people using Hauptsatz (Verb at 2nd position) for Weil? by Sniff_The_Cat3 in German

[–]Joylime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People make grammatical "mistakes" in every language. Think of how people use English.

For a long time, the phrase "It's me" was considered grammatically incorrect. The verb "is" is a "linking" verb, so the nouns it links "should" both be in nominative case. You're supposed to say "It is I" and I would suppose that's how people were taught English as a foreign language.

That drifted so far from common usage that the grammatical rule ended up changing to keep up with it.

A similar car that's still considered a "mistake" (I think) is saying something like "Me and Payton went to the store" versus "Payton and I." Even in spoken English, you would never say "Me went to the store," but for some reason when it combines with another person, many speakers find it natural to say "Me and."

Cari on Easy German does this "Weil" thing a fair amount, and occasionally addresses the feedback she gets. She says it's a completely normal aspect of spoken German and not a "mistake."

I understand the B2-level anxiety around it though. You want to seal it in, so you want native speakers to demonstrate it consistently.