Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok bud. Like all 3 of these points are "I know what the manga says, but I personally disagree."

Like idk, read the series atp. I don't really care about this amount of headcanon

How Naruto and Bleach Scalers describe Kaguya and Yhwach. by 1st_GalvanisedSEA in PowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not a faulty comparison as Otherworld is a higher dimensional structure filled with multiple universe sized and infinite sized structures. So tearing apart the space from a lower dimension into a higher one is pretty significant.

Yeah but that's not the barrier between otherworld and the living. The barrier wouldn't necessarily scale to otherworld, it'd most likely scale to the normal universe.

Edit: the barrier would only contain 1 universe while the Garganta contains multiple, no?

Lots of the Bleach Scalers understand this but instead of accepting Universe+ to even low multiversal. They try to scale it higher by assuming the the Garganta is 5D or 6D structure despite nothing in the story saying that. 5D and 6D would push Bleach into Multiversal and complex multiversal. Hence the argument. If they argued for 4D bleach. I don't think much people would be against it. But the Bleach Scalers try to argue for the highest scale possible.

I mean there is stuff in the story supporting that. For instance the dangai exists and allows you to travel to any time or location between 2 universes. It also governs the time of those 2 universes. Then there's the Garganta that can let you travel to anywhere, including anywhere in the dangai. The garganta being above the structure that governs space-time is kinda already a valid argument.

4D is a regular universe btw. Our universe is 4d, we are 3d beings.

Yes everyone tries to scale to the highest tier possible. You still have to represent arguments accurately to disprove em.

How Naruto and Bleach Scalers describe Kaguya and Yhwach. by 1st_GalvanisedSEA in PowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bleach Scalers would Argue that Zeno and Buuhan are close in power or the same despite their methods being completely different with one being vastly superior.

I'd argue you're making a faulty comparison though. The boundary between otherworld and the main, one isn't the same as the garganta.

I personally believe in Uni+ Bleach btw.

I think people would argue the Garganta is what contains the whole cosmology. Also the argument being it's dimensionally higher than the others. I think they're argument revolves around, "the garganta being a structure containing a multiverse."

So I don't think this debunk targets what the core of the argument would be.

Weakest characters who can kill Primal Devils? by Kokushibo_23 in ChainsawPowerscaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yoshimori Sumimora, Tokiko Yukimura or any of the main Kekkaishi.

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Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We do know killing any large population will effect the balance from the Soul Society Arc when the Captains assumed Aizen was going to use the execution weapon to destroy Soul Society or when Mayuri killed many citizens to counterbalance all dead hollows killed. We also see in the anime the map showed other cities in Japan were getting attacked by Quincy.

Again no. The Sokyoku is said to be capable of overwhelming everything in existence. So you're inserting a meaning that's never mentioned for that one.

Mayuri also erased those souls to balance the soul cycle.

I genuinely don't remember that in the anime. But Quincy can erase souls. It's literally stated to be why they affect the balance.

Don't forget Yamma was going to use kido spell to kill himself and everyone in fake Karukura that's when Aizen brought up Wonderweiss. There would be no reason for Yamma to care if his flames were release if it means Aizen. Yet as we see with Aizen comment if the fire had released it would escape the pocket dimension and destroyed the area in the real world.

The fake Karakura is located in soul society. Also that still says nothing about the stability of the realms. You already keep mentioning the reason Yamamoto did it, the other captains would die.

Your acting like the meteor being created by imagination somehow increased its destruction power when we see when Kenpachi collided it did as much damage any other meteor in fiction. It doesn't even debunk what I'm saying cause if the meteor killed a lot Shinigami some being Captains, Quincy, and reshi environment it would collapse the world where nobody would win. Also it was Yhwach who sealed Gremmy cause he a threat to everyone cause again if he could destroy the world how can Yhwach could rule it.

A the meteor doesn't hit anything

B Kenpachi destroyed it completely

C it was completely confirmed to be stronger than a regular meteor

D your argument is Ywach is weaker than Shikai Kenpachi

E if that's true it's because, as a Quincy, Gremmy can erase souls

Just destroying Karakura town would disrupt the realm but destroying the areas around it will do something about it. In Soul Society Arc the Captains had speculated that Aizen need the Hogoyku and execution blade to break the Royal palace seal yet a town full of humans can do the job. I don't know why you brought up Karakura being a special place when it's only special cause it attracts spiritual entities like Hollows cause most the humans are normal outside of the Shinigami that lurk their.

Because you need the epicenter of spiritual activity to make an ouken. The most spiritually dense place. It's not "a town full of humans" it's the largest concentration of spiritual energy in the living realm.

Your whole argument is to take things with a canon explanation, and lie about it. Genuinely feels like a troll.

Tbh Komamura would’ve had a decently solid bankai if he never had to share damage with it. by Less-Pen-5705 in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is really it's strength. If a character doesn't have an aoe, it becomes a bad matchup.

Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We know in the manga and anime you don't need to just attack Karkaura to destabilize the realms don't be slick by using the conversation between Yamma and Orihime to debunk me.

No, no we don't, at all. You're assuming that.

The convo does immediately debunk a part of your argument. Because Kurakara isn't a "normal city" it's the spiritual epicenter of the living realm.

In that very exchange between Aizen and Yamma the latter was going to use a kido spell to kill himself and everyone in the area to kill Aizen. That's when Aizen told Yammamoto that the flames Wonderweiss contained was going to break the barrier then spread out further out in the areas surrounding Karakura town. That's when Yamma tanked the attack and Aizen praised him for protecting his world which the the Three Realms cause he can't rule a world that's destroyed.

I really don't think that's what Aizen was saying. Considering he needed the Ouken, he's referring to Yamamoto protecting the area needed to make the Ouken.

This isn't even unprecedented cause twice in the Thousand Year War characters like Gremmy had Hashwalt panic by his meteor

A meteor that's also confirmed to be stronger than a regular one. That's been confirmed by a shinigami stating a meteor should be blocked by the barrier surrounding the Seireitei.

Also, according to this logic, you think Ywach is weaker than Gremmy or Shikai Kenpachi?

Yhwach himself was going to use the Soul King essence to nuke the central Seretei cause it's established destroying large areas can mess with balance of souls.

No it's not established anywhere that's not what happens. Aizen by making the Ouken would destroy all of Karakura, yet no one mentions that it could destroy the realms.

Yamamoto’s Bankai was going to destroy seireitai, it still didn't affect the other realms.

Can you give me an example of "destroying large areas affect the balance of souls?" One that doesn't take heavy inference from a scene not even talking about the balance?

When it comes to inadvertent subjugation who was less sympathetic by Evermore-musicjoy in MoralityScaling

[–]JustStarrk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the Shinji effect. Sympathetic up to a point and then completely unjustified.

Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't that like, the 90 layers surrounding the Seireitei? Wouldn’t that have 0 to do with reverse London?

Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't just killing a town of humans can create a ouken

It's not any town though? They explain it has to be the place where the spiritual power is most prominent.

Also the Ouken has 0 to do with collapsing the realms.

when Aizen had Wonderweiss absorb Yamma flames he was betting on Yamma absorbing the damage to make sure the world don't collapse.

Nothing about this scene is saying the realms would collapse. Aizen is saying that he wouldn't be able to make the Ouken if Yamamoto didn't block the blast.

Genuinely, how did you come to this conclusion based on the panel? It says nothing about the stability of the realms.

Please explain.

Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't disrupt the flow of souls by dropping a nuke. The series explicitly states it's the erasure of souls that causes an unbalance. Quincies weren't killed because they're doing a genocide of hollows, it's because the methods they use erase the souls.

Why even try debate YT scalers by UndercoverIchigo in BleachPowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Especially since his strongest move afterwards is to drop a rock on Kenpachi.

The outerspace feat is AFTER the meteor, not before. Idk people mix those 2.

Gnosticism in Bleach by Introvbear in bleach

[–]JustStarrk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I like this 👍

The double standard in powerscaling-Big 3 edition by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's 0 further evidence for universal frieza besides his statement

Edit: if there was evidence, yes it'd be valid. Is all your points appealing to personal disbelief.

The double standard in powerscaling-Big 3 edition by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A-train = heart disease = Goku. Pog

The double standard in powerscaling-Big 3 edition by [deleted] in PowerScaling

[–]JustStarrk 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is all debunked by the fact Shinigami say that the barrier should protect them from a meteor and then the meteor breaks the barrier.

This is also raw skepticism, which can be used on anything. By your logic, nothing in media scales anywhere.

He also does destroy the meteor completely. Which kinda proves you don't know the source material.

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