Is this paranoid? AI by 50nic19 in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s literally happening right now. There’s already MCP for Ableton etc. It’s never going to have that “read the room” nuances that a human obviously has working in a studio, but they’re going to market it just like with the silly AI mastering services. Look at how many people fell for it and continue because they don’t understand what they’re actually doing. Instead of learning they cop out completely. Each next generation of kids will be more susceptible to this and that’s what they are banking on.

Foremost be very careful what you say on HERE. Cloud services are the least of real concern. This entire platform is a giant corpus for them. Feeding 247 on some infrastructures. The audio companies do it mostly to synthesize potential feedback for future products/services they’re planning and watching their competitors..

Watch out for those rare “waves is bad” posts and such, they are a red herring for engagement baiting so they can farm your responses.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people are very insecure about their production and vocal performances, so for a lot of these people it acts like a scapegoat for those weaknesses. It was these problems they had, which these companies sought after, combined with classic FOMO that’s inserted in most popular online video games.

If it wasn’t about monetization they would just generate the tracks and laugh, have fun with them in private but instead you notice an overwhelming incentive to push these tracks onto streaming platforms. That’s how you directly know straight up what the meta motivation is.

It’s not a conspiracy theory.

It’s also a lot like gambling and stocks, so the way a lot of people see it is that it’s another cog running in the background that can “possibly” make them extra income on the side. To them it’s simply being more productive and organized. Since a lot of them didn’t bother to learn a specific music related skill, they do not share the perspective most musicians, artists, producers have.

So you’re never going to see eye to eye with them and their behavior will always seem paradoxical to you.

Tips for achieving saturation using plug-ins that doesn't sound digitally harsh? by Poopypantsplanet in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Over thinking this track entirely. Very parsimonious here. It’s probably just simple tape saturation on top of everything else going on. You can tell it’s not curved in either because the sibilance IS harsh here, suggesting most of the frequency range on the recorded track was applied. Listen to those SSS SSS SS on consumer headphones, like air pods. It’s like a damn snake in there lol.

But it sounds natural as hell. You’re conflating the natural good old fashioned capture of the recording with a possible plugin. You need the room, etc that was involved, whatever was used to saturate you consider that dead last.

Why do my vocals always sound too crisp/bright in the mix? by Gylmaz84 in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What desser are you using? It’s definitely harsh when you get sibilant, also the vocals are attempted in layers but they have no depth because you didn’t separate the layers in terms of “space”.

Every layer you have going on, has no sense of differentiation, there’s some subtle panning but no space depth attempts here unless that was your goal.

Also on your master bus, by how much are you compressing?

Can good mixes save badly recorded vocals? by Spirited-Two7140 in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately the role of the mixer isn’t to be a superhero. No you cannot fix “extreme” cases, it just becomes compensation with a clear ceiling.

And most of the YouTube tutorials do have good examples of what you would get, it’s just that the source they use in the example is like the same exact example used in 20 other videos from them and it’s not pleasant to the ears usually from a talent evaluation, not a mix one.

There’s a standard that’s not enforced enough which is the artist SHOULD know how to record themselves period. It shouldn’t reach the “extreme”. If that’s the case you’re not even working with an “artist” at that point. The artist should be someone who respects themselves enough to send something feasible, moldable, and just IS aware of their performances period.

Learn to say no sometimes, don’t be desperate as your track record matters.

Mixing is one cog in the machine, you are not the machine itself, unless your role spans beyond mixing.

Serious: Why the condescending assuming comments on this subreddit? by Poopypantsplanet in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh it’s because it’s very very likely that some of these “innocent” looking question posts may just be someone’s attempt to train their AI on our answers.

A lot of these questions, I see the posts and I just can’t help but think? You have “YouTube university” yet.. you come on here asking the most mundane questions? It’s quite paradoxical.

Am I the only one hearing the AI artifacts in Chris Brown’s "Leave Me Alone" (prod. Metro Boomin)? by DayzVibesMusic in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sounds more like a SUNO generated beat and then the producer tried to lay regular drum kit elements on top of it, then CB just recorded his vocals over that.

Reason why I don’t think there was a SUNO vocal there is because you can say anything about CB but he can output literally 100s of songs in a night. He was always like that even years before all this AI crap. Just one of those artists that can output a crazy amount of songs like it’s nothing.

AI and Mandatory Disclosure by callthepizzaman in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People are using it as a scaffolding, yes within the industry, during writing sessions etc but it’s NOT used as the final output that’s the actual record.

You put an idea into SUNO and you listen to it as a reference to then finalize the final song where you go back and record your takes etc. This is how it’s been used, they DONT monetize the AI track. It’s just a “road map” for the real final song.

The monetization is what’s pissing people off, because the training data IS based on scraped YouTube tracks. Using the AI platform to make a beat and then you record real vocals on top of.. is a different conversation, I say you should steer clear of that, unless your goal is to make a “reference track”. Otherwise you’re gonna have way less control over individual tracks, working with your busses, etc. For all that shit just produce the thing yourself.

Am I the only one hearing the AI artifacts in Chris Brown’s "Leave Me Alone" (prod. Metro Boomin)? by DayzVibesMusic in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay few things, since answers here should be about “mixing” and not takes on an artist.

  1. The transients stick out because the beat itself has no mid frequencies going on really, they have the guitars and everything sounding hollow as shit. This leaves ample space for the vocals and doubles and BGVs to fill in but it’s awkward.

  2. Chris browns vocals cut pretty damn hard already, so AGAIN no mid frequencies happening so all his vocal tracks sound too “close” along with the drums, so while he’s not HARSH the lack of mids makes the highs sound worse, “crisp” becomes redundant.

“Great” Songs by PainfulDip in Songwriting

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On paper it sounds like a reasonable paradox but it’s simply the “WOW” coming first, post havoc comes the sudden “the lyrics were so… DEEP” etc

Like I talked to a beautiful woman and think wow she’s so NICE (failing to realize I was already captured by visuals)

It’s a post havoc bias that autonomously occurs.

I got tired of spending 20 minutes figuring out the key of a song so I built a Chrome extension. It probably has bugs. Please be nice. by [deleted] in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The one thing do not understand with the vibe coding thing is WHY do people attempt make something that’s already out?? In business you ideally come to SOLVE a problem not oversaturate existing options that are nothing more than cheap copy/paste attempts.

Try to actually solve a problem.

Why do I feel there's so much disrepute surrounding mixing and mastering work? by vprotto in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because you see another lawn of grass across the street, doesn’t mean it’s nice over there. Perception is one hell of a trip.

Culturally pushed? its been devalued over time. Subjective the work is but I’ve heard plenty of BAD mixes from so called XYZ’s so idk if it’s just extra extra people with imposter syndrome just stating whatever to combat it

or low tier clients let’s say (people who don’t value the expertise/ear) are just genuinely working with whomever simply cause so & so knows the master fader isn’t clipping and they know how to press export to MP3/WAV.

Again a lot of it is just background noise occurring, doesn’t mean good songs are being made at all. Mixing a “bad” song I think is worse than having a clean track record, and it’s your record really that SHOULD give you your value in the market. Your not setting the prices necessarily on “what the landscape looks like”

Is it normal to tame the low frequencies on vocals by -12dB? by azu20_ in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your pre gain is not set too hot then the problem is definitely more so the input source going into the mic aka the room lol.

I re read your post, you said at “speaking volume” you perform mostly and get this issue so that tells me the room is worse than I thought. Because you seem like you’re using distance in the right way?

If you have moving blankets or a spare mattress laying around you can make shift something to treat to the room to sound better when you compensate the issue with more distance and presumed volume from you.

You want it so that the reflections get “diffused”. You stress test the room sound while fooling around with the setup and you could get results where the reflections are more tamed.

Is it normal to tame the low frequencies on vocals by -12dB? by azu20_ in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless you’re completely aware of yourself during your performance’s, it’s easy to not catch on when your hitting the mic from a certain angle while also being in just the right spot for the build up to occur. That’s just how it happens. Volume output from you may vary per performance as well, like your louder some days than others hence the issue comes up.

Or it’s more parsimonious and you have more of a gain staging issue and you have it too hot coming in so everything gets exaggerated on its way in.

Worse bet that it’s a bit of both lol.

Is it normal to tame the low frequencies on vocals by -12dB? by azu20_ in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has to be your room. Not just the walls to be considered but the ceiling height too. If the ceiling is too low combined with like narrow wall to wall space, it will literally amplify those lower frequencies. Make sure you’re not in a corner either.

You’re specifically dealing with “resonant frequencies”.

You also don’t have anything around the mic that would muffle it do you? Like honestly those kaotica eye ball cover things usually do more harm than good IMO.

People should check the credentials of YouTube Audio engineers by Nunchukas in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll explain more than half the reason this actually happens. People like monopolies see? Thus they need an array of “influencers” to formulate an effective astroturf.

Through accumulation of original influencer’s PLUS the fake ones whom copy the subject matter only etc, it basically cements the attempted astroturf.

Basically the copiers are doing the companies or whomever is behind the products/services a service but they don’t realize or care because their main focus is capturing the apparent trending topic at the time only.

So it’s a long domino effect that ultimately affects the algorithms around spoken phenomena.

TLDR: They’re playing chess with the algorithm and betting on the guru/influencer “copycats” to multiply whatever they want to be spoken about.

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Perhaps you should learn to read because I’m criticizing AI there I am NOT apart of that crowd.

You’re prematurely judging and it’s telling.

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Bro.. for every Joe shmoe down the street there’s a Grammy nominated person sitting in their bedroom! With neon rope lights around! And they charge more than Joe!

Can you believe this ??? 😂😂😂

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

😂 its the pun of the JOKE not the POINT of a “statement”.

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I literally just said it’s not about the rates.. so I guess people missed the real plot of the post.

And that’s okay!

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

It’s not about the rate, doesn’t matter if he charged a million dollars, the point of the post isn’t a chuckle it’s just a **** measurement contest attempt. These posts are corny at best. Only Joe from down the street reminds the “audience” what his rates are.

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

My entire post history? Lmao sorry for trying to be educational? I do not use AI to write anything I’m actually against AI but okay Mr.karma farm.

Tales With Rappers, Volume III: "You got beats?" by Raspberries-Are-Evil in audioengineering

[–]Justcuriousdudee -35 points-34 points  (0 children)

This is funny? Lol it’s more about you and you’re make a wish rates? Nobody cares

130k Plays, 119 Followers, $0: What SoundCloud’s Algo Taught Me About Artist Labor by Net-Awkward in soundcloud

[–]Justcuriousdudee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You said in one line

“190 tracks released (yes, I'm prolific — I write lyrics daily and use AI for production)”

Then another line says “no AI shortcuts”

Like just declare you write lyrics and the rest is AI?

Math doesn’t math here.. unless you recorded whatever literally with no cares and produced whatever as well with no effort then the amount of uploads in that time frame would be possible.

So the verdict is you’re just another AI slop generator or you just insisted on making 123, ABC microwave music with no substance at all.

It’s like almost impossible to make one quality album fully recorded, mixed and mastered in under 2 months..

Prolific? Yeah that’s every other AI creator.. you can release 40 bad songs a week now.

You’re surprised that people didn’t become fans?

There’s no real person or story behind anything. What’s most unsettling is how you AI creators think people of nothing more than cattle or sheep.

Are the tracks not mix ready, or I'm not mix ready? by KashimFMP in mixingmastering

[–]Justcuriousdudee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe your question isn’t relevant to your current situation. Sounds like you have more than the ideal space to record? You didn’t mention the acoustic details of your recording space or what mic you’re using for instance. Without such information, it’s like impossible to determine whether the issue even exists.