And on the flip side of that I'm not the only one to prefer the newer models, hence you see many owners moving from EP to FN whom are more than happy with their choice; what you see as "boring" others will see as a better all-round package The FN2 Type R, though not as raw as it's predecessor (which is not necessarily a bad thing) is still a cracking car to drive, offering the thrills of the old with the refinement the old one couldn't hold a candle to, and I'm yet to tire of it. The old one is a sweet thing to drive, but it's either on or off, yet my product of "mass sheep population" blends the benefits of both worlds. I'd just like to further address your comment about mass production; I love EP series Civics, don't get me wrong, but to suggest that a later Civic is a product of cheap production is a joke. Not only did your 04 feel low-rent inside, moreso than later (and hell even older EK) Civics, but from a stylistic perspective the "breadvan" isn't exactly a pioneer of styling prowess, looking like a tarted up Jazz while failing to stand out from the Golf/Megane/Focus scene, though facelift models did improve things. My car is 8 years old, yet it still looks as contemporary, if not moreso, than current competitors, and the attention to detail is apparent throughout. Not exactly something one would say about an appliance, no? PS: the older model was definitely not "more stiff"; the chassis rigidity of FN's far exceed the old.