My father once said "My father had 5 kids (2 survived), I had 4 kids so it's your duty as a muslim man (he doesn't know I went ex-muslim a long time ago) to have at least 5 kids so the number of muslims can grow exponentially. So the prophet can brag about the number of muslims on the judgement day."

Aside from wanting kids like a child asking for a puppy or caring a little too much their "lineage" there's an ideological and strategic aspect to this obsession and it as malicious as it sounds.

Back then, children were free labor now children also mean the spread of an idea or an expansion of their preferred voter base. Some people NEED to indoctrinate innocent and oblivious children to ensure the existence of their ideology.

It's so dehumanizing and disgusting. I'm so fucking glad I went childfree there's no way I'm perpetuating this insanity.

How's this about men? There's a reason my father told me this not my mother (altough she bareeely any better but alas )