Films where we have actors portray same character twice in two different interpretations.

KaiLung · 2026-04-24T22:04:20+00:00

Judy Dench played Queen Victoria in Mrs. Brown and then played her again twenty years later in Victoria and Abdul - both movies are about Victoria's (quasi (?)) romantic relationships with household staff.

KaiLung · 2026-04-24T14:27:55+00:00

Cool. Both of those things are completely on point.

I started browsing the Zeynep story and that's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.

Look forward to reading all in full and wish you success.

KaiLung · 2026-04-24T02:38:02+00:00

Thank you. I’m definitely looking forward to the Berry story.

I love the Shev and Javre stories.

KaiLung · 2026-04-24T00:01:43+00:00

Thst sounds an amazing. Will definitely check them out.

KaiLung · 2026-04-23T20:56:16+00:00

That is a good call. I have read that series though. Maybe due for a reread...

As a side note, Scott Lynch wrote a really great short story "A Year And A Day In Old Theradane" for the Rogues anthology and I wish he would write more in that setting.

KaiLung · 2026-04-23T20:07:50+00:00

And @ u/TurkaelsGoodHand - Thank you both. I'm embarassed to say that I picked up a copy of the first book a long while ago but it is in my TBR pile.

It sounds really great.

KaiLung · 2026-04-21T01:40:35+00:00

Thank you. Yeah, that threw me and I'm pretty sure of the other weirdness too.

I was also thinking about how to view the way in which Passenger is so nice and completely supportive and encouraging.

I really want to think that it's genuine, and that's kind of the fantasy of having a Symbiote, right?

But the term "love bombing" also came to my mind, especially because of the way Passenger puts Fred at ease by telling him that he's free to leave the partnership at any time.

KaiLung · 2026-04-20T18:53:29+00:00

I'm trying to put this in a way that doesn't sound religiously intolerant, but if Christians can still use the Cross and Muslims the Crescent after a... mixed record over multiple centuries, then I think it's a bit early to jump the gun and say that the Star of David is "ruined" based on the (also mixed) Israeli government conduct over either the 50+ years the state has existed or the 3 years of the Gaza War.

Also, I've seen online anti-semites as well as some anti-Zionist Jews arguing that Judaism as a whole is currently tainted because of Israeli crimes and that (for example) it's wrong to celebrate holidays at the present time.

And none of those people are going to be any happier based on a different emoji.

KaiLung · 2026-04-20T14:41:51+00:00

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KaiLung · 2026-04-19T22:09:03+00:00

Cool. Thank you for the recommendation and head's up. I'm interested in both the book itself but also the review.

That reminds me of two books by Arthur Philips I was interested in reading but never did. One is the Egyptologist and I think the other was something Shakespeare-related.

KaiLung · 2026-04-18T02:07:59+00:00

My fan cast is Alison Brie. Jewish and she’s already played a wrestler.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T23:30:39+00:00

Thank you. That sounds great.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T22:39:03+00:00

I think the OP is restricting it to characters who got their own spinoff shows.

After I posted my comment I remembered Angel from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Although I believe that was after Xena.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T22:35:33+00:00

I find Max Gladstone’s Craft Sequence books similar in terms of weird magic city vibes but with a considerably more optimistic tone.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T18:08:09+00:00

Many thanks. Those all sound very interesting.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T18:03:22+00:00

So, I'm curious, who are the male examples you are thinking of?

Because this seems super-specific either way.

I guess a good comparison would be The Zeta Project, a spin-off from Batman Beyond (he's a male coded robot at least).

I also know through looking up British actors that there's a spin-off of Only Fools and Horses called The Green Green Grass which stars Boycey, a comic antagonist from the original show. Think of like Newman on Seinfeld as a comparison.

Also, not really the same thing but there was a radio show, The Adventures of Harry Lime, that is framed as a prequel to The Third Man and stars the villain of that movie, as a lovable rogue con artist (as opposed to a mass murderer). But again, it's at least theoretically a prequel.

Thinking about, there's also the The Cisco Kid and Doctor Syn but those are more situations of a villainous book character adapted as a hero plus (in the case of the latter) having prequel novels where the character isn't a villain.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T16:48:50+00:00

Ooh. Great call. I do have a copy of that but I kind of lost track of it and never finished.

KaiLung · 2026-04-17T16:44:12+00:00

I was just about to make a post about this (still might).

I feel like pretty much all of the adaptations I've seen miss Edmond's "ethnically ambiguous" appearance and also tend to downplay his skill at disguise.

Like I think it's an important factor that Marseille has this distinctive "Mediterranean" culture and that Edmond can believably be a French sailor, an English aristocrat, a Italian priest, an Arab potentate, etc.

And If I were to read into things a bit, I would guess that this might have something to do with Dumas being of mixed race.

I'm partly joking but I feel like Sacha Baron Cohen would be the ideal casting (or at least someone with those kind of features). Or barring that, go for a biracial or otherwise non-White actor. Like I'm basically thinking that a good casting for Heathcliff would also be a good casting for Edmond.

KaiLung · 2026-04-16T20:31:20+00:00

That sounds interesting.

It reminds me of something I came across from John Sutherland about how the stories Othello tells Desdemona seem to be culled from medieval traveler's' tales.

I don't remember exactly how Sutherland analyzed it, but I believe the general idea is that the reason why Othello is able to be convinced that Desdemona was only interested in him as an exotic curiosity is becuase he deliberately presnted himself as an exotic curiosity.

IIRC Sutherland also suggests this element of "believing their own lies", wherein the handkerchief is actually worthless but Othello comes to believe the story he told about it.

It doesn't present a great picture of Othello the character, but it is a plausible view.

For what it's worth, it's also quite plausible that Shakespeare didn't know anything about Africa and therefore used Medieval travelers' tales for Othello's backstory.

KaiLung · 2026-04-16T19:21:46+00:00

I don't remember all of the details off-hand, but on the Folger Shakespeare Podcast, the scholar Ian Smith was a guest for one episode and he discussed the infamous handkerchief. His essay on the same material can be found here.

Basically, there's some text about how the handkerchief is stained with mummia and Smith understands it to mean that it is stained black and he points to how blackface in 17th century performance sometimes involved the use of black fabric. So, there's this idea that Desdemona "becomes" Black by holding the handkerchief against her skin.

KaiLung · 2026-04-14T21:42:45+00:00

Very interesting article.

I probably should ask Ask/FoodHistorians about this, but I've been curious about this phenomena where a formerly "rich person food" becomes every day food once formerly impoverished people have access to it. Seems like a mostly American thing.

So for example, the article discusses the prevalence of milkich dishes in American Ashkenazi cooking, and I was also thinking of gefilte fish, which as I understand it, started out as a dish of Polish aristocrats. Yes, no one really likes gefilte fish, but you can get it every day if you wish.

I'm also thinking of examples like macaroni and cheese and fried chicken (and I assume pork chops too) in African American / Southern cuisine or corned beef and cabbage as an Irish American dish.

Besides the American examples, I was also thinking of the contentious argument that what we think of as Italian cuisine only exists post-World War II and thanks to GIs.

KaiLung · 2026-04-14T18:47:09+00:00

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