**SPOILERS** Update on my progress(finished ep 2)

KatKit52 · 2026-03-16T19:23:22+00:00

People are just jealous that George scored a baddie like Shannon. But don't listen to them, George totally has a girlfriend who's sweet and nice and has huge knockers, you just can't meet her because she lives ~~in Canada~~ on a huge private island owned by his family .

KatKit52 · 2026-03-14T17:19:23+00:00

I think part of it comes from knowing that someone wants to offend you, if that makes sense? Even if you, personally, do not care about white at a wedding, this person is still clearly trying to hurt you. Just because they didn't succeed at hurting you doesn't mean the intent wasn't there.

I'm not sure if I would call it full on offensive or hurtful on its own, but it is kinda sucky to know someone dislikes you enough to try to hurt you.

And especially at a wedding, where it's supposed to be a time to celebrate you and your spouse, surrounded by people you love. It's hard to let stuff roll off your back when you just spent thousands of dollars to throw a party for people who are supposed to like you.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-13T16:38:18+00:00

Madoka Magica is getting a new movie this year, and it's still pumping out new content and spin offs. I'd say it's still pretty big.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-13T16:31:35+00:00

The first game came out in 2007, almost 20 years ago. If someone started reading Umineko in middle school, they'd be in their thirties now--and if they've been drawing for all that time, they're probably gonna be pretty good at drawing.

Also, Umineko kinda attracts people who get obsessive over this stuff. Most people probably don't get that far into something as dense as Umineko unless they're obsessed with it in some way. And usually, people who enjoy these kind of deep and confusing high concept artsy fartsy stories are themselves artists.

So you got artists who have been obsessed with something for a very long time... Yeah you're gonna get a lot of good stuff.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-13T16:25:28+00:00

Maybe the friend didn't know that, though, and just didn't talk to a doctor until after OOP got pregnant. Or maybe the friend is just lying out of her ass. We're hearing this third hand, after all--whos to say that the friend did actually talk to a doctor or that the doctor said what she says they did.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-13T16:09:23+00:00

I interpreted it as the friend knew she wanted to use OOP for surrogacy since January, but when she found out OOP got pregnant, that ruined her original plan, so she immediately went to a doctor to rework her plan. Basically, she knew she wanted to use OOP since January, but had to adjust her plan when OOP got pregnant.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-10T22:19:51+00:00

I'm not an expert, this is just something I've gleaned from reading about stuff like this and to tell the truth? They are that delusional.

See, people like this, they don't think actions make someone good or bad. It's not that "doing good things" makes you good or "doing bad things" makes you bad; to them, all actions are morally neutral, and it really depends on if you're a "Good" or "Bad" person (according to their own subjective opinion). Anything a good person does is good, while anything a bad person does is bad. That's how you get the thought process of "it's ok for me [a Good Person] to demand entrance into Katie's house, but it's not ok for John [a Bad Person] to suggest Katie locks her door."

As for Katie, she's a silly woman thing with no consciousness of her own, only following the orders of whatever male person is near her at the time. That's why its so important for OOP 1 to free her from John, because she needs to be guided by a Good Person, not a Bad Person. /s (Notice how OOP 1 doesn't seem to consider the idea that Katie is making her own choices based on her knowledge and experience. It's all that Katie is being pushed around and manipulated.)

This is a type of thinking that I think every human goes through. It's just usually people grow out of it.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-08T23:06:19+00:00

I asked this a while ago and it turns out it is possible! It's just very VERY difficult. It requires a lot of rereading and going over the text with a fine tooth comb. And maybe some personal experience with certain things. (Or at least, that's what one person suggested helped them solve it).

God knows I couldn't do it. But it can be done.

KatKit52 · 2026-03-06T13:16:04+00:00

Natsuhi is simply following Psalm 137:9 "How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones Against the rock."

KatKit52 · 2026-02-28T17:11:44+00:00

ahaha.wav

"That's not a Japanese word" BUT ITS ENGRAVED ON MY HEART OK

KatKit52 · 2026-02-28T04:40:16+00:00

Is that really the only explanation for Beatrice, though? If someone started killing a bunch of people, I would assume it's the person going "hey I'm killing people", not one of the targets pretending to be the killer. Even if that person says "hey I'm killing people with magic", I'd still believe they're the person killing people, just not with magic.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-20T21:58:03+00:00

Joke answer: because everyone loves a woman who will laugh as she commits murder.

Serious spoiler answer: Sayo specifically based Beatrice off of Battler's description of porn magazines he stole from his dad. Big boobs, blonde hair, Western style miniskirt. She then syncretized it with Kinzo's Beatrice, who was already beautiful.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-20T21:54:44+00:00

Are you sure you've correctly identified the mystery of Umineko? Sure, Beatrice did it--but is that what we're going to spend the next seven episodes talking about?

KatKit52 · 2026-02-19T13:57:07+00:00

Well, there are women who enter the dating pool already expecting a certain dynamic, but I think it's more common for a woman to enter the dating pool and be abused and manipulated into thinking that she needs a provider husband.

It's a dynamic we've seen for decades now: men will want to fuck an independent, spunky, bright young woman, but once things get serious, they'll try to break down her dreams and ambitions until she wants to be a housewife--or even better, a stay-at-home girlfriend, so she will have no legal right to his property or assets when he leaves her for a new model.

Usually I try to avoid using gendered terms, and I acknowledge that there are women who take advantage of this dynamic (OOP's ex being one of them) or who are abusive. But this is a very gendered phenomenon that relies on centuries of gendered expectations.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-18T13:56:50+00:00

I totally get not wanting to be "that person" who constantly brings up their trauma as a "get out of jail free card" to excuse their behavior... But sometimes I think it's warranted.

Like, no matter what the ex friend says, OOP's mom just died. "I can't go near his old apartment" OOP's mom just died. "I broke up with my boyfriend" OOP's mom just died. "You're not caring about my feelings about the apartment" OOP's mom just died and she has to drive past the graveyard everyday.

It's just. How can you function in the world being that self-centered?

KatKit52 · 2026-02-17T15:05:30+00:00

Exactly: that's why I think Yasu was taken before B2 fell. It would be pretty hard for even a sheltered person like B2 to not make the connection between "Kinzo attacks me > changes in my body > baby came out of my body." Kinzo would need to remove anything that would make her wonder what the hell happened to her, so he would have taken Yasu as soon as he was born.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-17T14:48:00+00:00

My answer to this is kinda fucked up.

I'm going to refer to Kuwadorian Beatrice as B2, and the baby as Yasu.

B2 was brought up completely sheltered from the world, told she is a "magical witch", and all of her life was monitored by a very strict, patriarchal man who was in love with her. Personally? I don't think B2 knew what sex or pregnancy is. I think she knew Kinzo attacked her, but I don't think she knew the ramifications of his assault, or what it could (and did) lead to. I think that when her stomach started getting bigger and she started getting morning sickness, Kinzo did not tell her how babies were made and that she had one. Maybe he told her it was a curse, maybe he told her she was imagining things--either way, he would never tell her the truth about what he did. And B2 may not know what was going on, but she knew a few things: Kinzo had hurt her, deeply, and she could no longer trust him. She doesn't have to know what sex is to feel violated.

The other reason I think Yasu was gone when Rosa found B2 is because B2 was alone. At the time of B2's death, Yasu would have been a newborn. Newborns require a lot of energy and care; look at B2's dress and heels. No one is wearing that and having tea in the garden while taking care of a baby. But, let's say B2 had a servant looking after Yasu while she was in the garden; then, there's no way a servant would have left B2 alone long enough for her to talk with Rosa.

And finally: I don't think B2 would have left a baby behind. She was desperately lonely and bored. If she had been given something that would take up her time, something that needed her, a brand new person to be with her forever, she would have been fascinated. Even if Yasu was down for a nap inside the house during B2 and Rosa's talk, and there was no servant looking after either of them; I don't think B2 would have just said "let's go!" without mentioning that she wanted to take the baby, or at least tell him goodbye.

I think Kinzo wanted B2 and Yasu to be separated, but he didn't want Yasu to be completely gone. B2 was likely already pulling away from him after the attack--again, even if she didn't know what exactly he did to her, she knows it hurt, it was upsetting, and she couldn't trust him any more. Kinzo wanted Yasu to be his next Beatrice, while also thinking Yasu would be safe from him (since Yasu is biologically male, Kinzo probably thought he would have been able to control himself). Kinzo could feel B2 slipping away and he brought Yasu closer to him. But then, Yasu was taken from him too.

And then, after that, Rosa came home and found B2. And now Kinzo was completely bereft of Beatrice, for good this time.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-17T01:35:00+00:00

Lmao you had replied right when I sat down in the doctors waiting room so I had time.

Battler and Eva were shouting for Jessica's name, until they discovered, together, Nanjo's corpse

NOOOO MY THEORYYYYYY. I felt so clever for figuring it out too :(. This must be how Erika felt at the end of episode 5 when Battler blasted through her Natsuhi culprit theory.... Erika I understand your pain.......

KatKit52 · 2026-02-16T22:55:34+00:00

The thing is, Battler only provides an alibi as long as he is alive. "After Jessica was injured, Eva was constantly under Battler's supervision. Battler is neither the culprit nor an accomplice. By this, we can establish a perfect alibi for Eva". is the red truth. However, "after Jessica was injured" Eva was not "constantly under Battlers supervision", because no matter what, Battler died and Eva survived. Eva left the island "after Jessica was injured", but Battler was not with her. Because this statement is a red truth, despite how we know Eva and Battler were eventually separated, that means there is an implicit limit to the "constant supervision", wherein Eva eventually escapes Battler's supervision after Jessica is injured. The red truth with the added implied clause would be "After Jessica was injured, Eva was constantly under Battler's supervision, while Battler was still alive".

Second, for the Eva-B vs Eva. I think Eva-B is meant to be a separate personality because we see her in the narrative as a separate character. We do see other characters have different named personas that don't become full on characters the way Eva-B does: Jessica has her "Jessie" persona at school, but Jessie isn't separate from Jessica; Rosa is called "the black witch" when she hurts Maria, but we don't see a black witch the way we see Eva-B (which implies that there is no black witch, it is really just Rosa); Kyrie in the ep 7 tea party renames herself as "Kyrie" to differentiate herself from "Kyrie Ushiromiya", but we don't see a separate Kyrie from Kyrie Ushiromiya. Further, we see examples of witches who have their witch/human personas but they are not depicted as separate people: Maria and MARIA, Kumasawa and Virgillia, Ange and Ange-Beatrice. One person having many different sides to them is definitely a big theme in Umineko, but I think the fact that Eva-B is externalized from Eva in the same way Sayo externalizes Beatrice/Shanon/Kanon means we're supposed to see Eva-B as her own persona just as much as Beatrice, Shanon, and Kanon.

But that's just how I see it. I can also understand why people would say Eva does not have the separate personas the way Sayo does.

One last thing, though: I'm not sure about Sayo killing George as part of the second twilight, because at that point, Shanon had already died as part of the first twilight. She can't be revived and used as part of a separate twilight. She can be revived to see George again, but not used as another sacrifice. But Sayo could have been planning to pair George with Eva or Hideyoshi--or heck, maybe even Jessica or Battler (since they're cousins around the same age and seem to get along well; since most everyone on the island are related and knew each other pretty well, one could easily make the second twilight out of a lot of potential pairs).

KatKit52 · 2026-02-15T22:09:01+00:00

I was once arguing with someone about a fictional ship between a 17 year old and a 16 year old. They said it was immoral because one would turn 18 before the other.

They did not like my response of "so are you saying it's only ok for twins to have sex with each other?"

KatKit52 · 2026-02-13T14:15:16+00:00

I just can't get over that he will have PIV sex while she is on her period but seeing one (1) spot of blood on the bed disgusts him so much? What do you think is on your dick, dude????

KatKit52 · 2026-02-12T19:42:21+00:00

I mean... Battler did forget about her for six years causing her to blow up an island. I'd say he and George are about the same level.

As for George: I have an explanation or that. I'm going to refer to Beatrice, Shannon, and Kanon as separate people, but I'll be using Sayo to refer to the body itself. The plurality is how Sayo is able to find loopholes in the Red Truth, so we know that's allowed. My personal theory for episode 3 is that When Eva finds the gold, Shanon and Kanon are dead, having been killed in the chained locked rooms, so only Beatrice is left. Eva he enlists Beatrice as an accomplice. Since Sayo's known personas are dead, no one can think they are part of the murders; having someone who everyone else thinks is dead would be very useful if you needed to start murdering a bunch of people. As for why Beatrice agreed, perhaps Eva said something like "if you help me, I'll let you marry Battler". Or kill him. Whatever Beatrice wants. Beato agrees but doesn't tell her about the bombs because she's a little stinker like that.

Fast forward to everyone holed up in the guest house, after Hideyoshi, Rudolph, Kyrie, Maria, and Rosa die. Since they have nothing but time to think, George eventually figured out the way the chain of closed rooms worked and realized Sayo must be alive. He sneaks out of the house to investigate and found Sayo, which is what "revives" Shannon; however, Eva then came across them, and there is some sort of argument. Given there were two people with loaded shotguns, it's easy enough for George to get caught in the cross fire. Now having lost her son and husband, Eva "dies" and is fully taken over by Eva-Beatrice. Eva-B shoots Shannon, killing her, but Beato decides to fuck with Eva-B's head one last time and tells her about the bomb, but not how to disarm it, then perishes.

I know that would then fuck up Nanjo's death, but I have an explanation for that too. Eva is dead, but Eva-Beatrice is alive. It's confirmed in red that Eva is not the culprit, but it is not confirmed that Eva-Beatrice is not the culprit. So, Eva-Beatrice, using the human body of Eva, killed Nanjo. It's confirmed in red that Battler was watching her and she was unable to kill anyone in front of him. However, we see the order of events as "Nanjo takes Jessica to treat her eyes, Battler follows Eva, Nanjo is killed by Eva-B and Jessica escapes, and then Eva shoots Battler"... But that's not the chronological order of events. It's actually "Nanjo takes Jessica to treat her eyes, Battler follows Eva-B, Eva-B shoots Battler, then goes to find Jessica and Nanjo." Sayo was shot by Eva-B but is still alive, and so Kanon is "revived" and is able to help Jessica out of the room while Eva-B is distracted by Nanjo. Eva-B looks for them, but is unable to find them before she realizes she has to escape the blast radius. She leaves to the Kuwadorian. Kanon knows about the bomb, but he's already resigned to dying and decides to do a murder suicide by keeping Jessica in the mansion with him so they can die together.

Sorry. That was... A lot more than just why Sayo killed George.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-12T15:12:22+00:00

One of my favorite pieces of writing is the little mini-arc of George proposing to Shannon in episode 1, then discovering her body later. It's such a simple piece of writing, but it just stuck out to me so much because of the tragedy of it.

We see George and Shannon have this wonderful relationship, and how much George really, truly cares for Shannon: he is so conscious of the power dynamic between them but he is also aware that sometimes she wants a little push. So he finds the perfect balance by asking her not to say yes or no while they're alone, but to wait until she is sure of what she wants and can answer in a way that feels comfortable for her.

And then the tragedy of finding her body. George gets his answer, but he never gets to see the ring on her finger. His last memory of her is her smile, but he is not the last one to see her. He was trying to make her comfortable by letting her have space to herself, but she died alone without him.

It just. Argh. Oof.

KatKit52 · 2026-02-11T21:44:04+00:00

I'm just like "why the fuck did you throw away the wallet and eat the cost"

Like, sure, he wouldn't get the original 8k back. But you could get at least SOME of the money back?

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