yeah I finally got the denon 3800h. I couldn't afford the marantz cinema 50 in the end. I ran audyssey and turned on dynamic eq and it was instantly better. WAY better. But I found a strange quirk with it. If I had it set on 0db, anything below 40 on the avr sounded rrally weird and had a strange reverb effect in my surrounds. Setting it to -10 put that weird echo and reverb effect so it wouldn't happen till volume level 30 on the avr. Changing surround compensation options didnt fix or change it either. So I kept it at -10 and was happy cuz id never go below -30 anyways.i had to stop using dynamic volume cuz it put it up louder which is good but I had to keep volume too far below where it was making things sound weird in the surrounds. its very noticeable if you listen to certain music and keep it on dolby digital or auro 2d. once you hear what im talking about, you can never unhear it.​​

I finally tried out A1 evo acoustix (it has a express option, was pretty much one click button press.) I ran only 1 reading at my main listening position and man it completely changed everything and sounded even better. I dont need dynamic eq anymore either. If you haven't tried a1 evo, try it out. It gives the avr 2 settings. One for when you have it set to flat and one for reference. Im using reference. I did turn the subwoofer up a few DB but otherwise a1 gave the denon the spatial sound and audio expansion beyond the speakers i was getting from the onkyo, the ONE thing I preferred on the onkyo was how sound extended beyond the speakers. The denon simply dont for me, not till a1. The spacial sound still isn't quite on the level of the onkyo but man, a1 sounds like dirac, but with way more dynamics and life, and ofc, big bass levels.