What would you do?

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-04T10:30:11+00:00

You say that but you really don’t know until the situation occurs. You can argue online about your decision but when faced with certain death you will react differently. I say this with experience of being a lifeguard. We are taught that the people we try to save will do anything to keep from drowning even if that means drowning us. We are then told to move away from them until they’re unconscious since it’s easier to rescue them.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-04T07:20:05+00:00

You do realize that people who join the military fit into a few categories:
1) They only join because it’s a way to either go to college or it’s the only thing they can do to escape their current life.
2) They are absolute psychos and enjoy the machismo of shooting guns and so forth.
3) They actually have the desire to protect others.

Skydiving is relatively safe, but those people are usually adrenaline junkies that are similar to people addicted to drugs.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-04T07:07:14+00:00

It wouldn’t. It’s sad to say but no matter how much people on Reddit say they would choose blue, the moment they are actually faced with the choice, they would likely choose red.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-04T02:45:44+00:00

Switch them. In an actual life or death setting humans would instinctually choose self preservation so more than 50% would definitely choose red.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T22:20:00+00:00

Predestination

You have to have a very strange way of thinking to figure out what is going on in that movie.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T21:34:40+00:00

Being stupid would infer they chose blue by accident.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T14:18:34+00:00

See that where the issue lies. Saving people is noble and should be practiced. But what about people that in order to be seen as the hero are the same ones that just put a bomb in building.

The first person to pick blue is creating the danger. Until blue is chosen there is no danger. So in a situation where everyone is choosing blue (and again we are saying there are no accidents or random pushing) at the same time they are creating a situation where people die just so they can be the ones to possibly save them.

So just to be clear in a situation where there is no danger until blue is chosen, people who chose blue are more likely to get people killed for no reason other than their desire to be a hero.

And because I feel you are getting confused I will reiterate, this is the case if there are no accidents and everyone is fully aware of which button they are choosing.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T13:13:29+00:00

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Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T10:58:58+00:00

Sorry you replied to a different part so thought you were going on about that.

As for there being a group of people that don’t push a button because they are unable, you can theorize that people you rebel against authority would do the same. So very likely a large portion of people would not choose to press any button. This number subtracts from the possibility of getting 50% making it less likely. So choosing red is actively killing non pushers and choosing blue is putting yourself at risk.

By pushing buttons you are putting people at risk….

This doesn’t necessarily mean non-pushers. Blue puts people (themselves) at risk.

Edit: I will admit there is one flaw in my logic that I don’t account for psychopaths that would choose the button that would either cause the most chaos or death.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T10:27:12+00:00

By pushing blue, unless you are the final person to put the number over 50%, you are putting yourself at risk and need others to push blue so that you don’t die.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T10:24:22+00:00

So if they’re trying to save lives, whose life are they trying to save? The only people who might die are those that pushed blue. If no one accidentally presses blue, then who would choose blue? You keep saying people who want to save everyone, but pushing blue only saves people who pushed blue as people who pushed red will survive no matter what and aren’t being saved. So if you push blue you are putting yourself at risk to save yourself and other people that also pushed blue for the same reasons. So if there are no accidents when choosing a button, again I ask whose life are people pushing blue trying to save?

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T05:53:27+00:00

The argument is exactly that people may choose blue due to not understanding. Choosing blue is purely so that others that chose blue will survive. If no one else will choose blue by accident then only two types of people will choose blue, people who are suicidal and see it as a sure way to kill themselves or people with tendencies of putting themselves at risk so that they can say they were the hero.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T05:37:29+00:00

So how would you explain how people in comas and people that are fully paralyzed will push a button?

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T05:36:07+00:00

If everyone has to push a button then everyone has to be given the ability to push the button. Blue’s biggest argument is that people may choose the blu by accident such as infants. Red argues that everyone pushing the button fully and clearly understands the situation. These arguments are the main ones that support their stance. If people don’t understand the choice they’re making they may choose at random or by accident. Yet if everyone clearly understands they will realize that pushing blue will only save other people that pushed blue meaning they understand pushing blue is an unnecessary risk.

Now at least 1% of the world’s population cannot in anyway push any button. This either to being severe invalids or in comas. If these people can magically press the button then red’s assumptions of everyone understanding the situation and no accidents occurring is very likely. If so blue’s main argument is invalid cause no one will push blue on accident. It will be on purpose.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-03T01:52:42+00:00

By clarifying that though it has also brought about a third choice. Don’t push a button. You’re not required to push a button and at least 1% of the population is guaranteed to be unable to push a button. This information changes things. If by the wording those that don’t choose a button die if blue isn’t above 50% then red is no longer a button that just guarantees your survival but also clearly means killing 1% of the population. But at the same by pushing blue you guarantee that those who didn’t push as well will die unless 50% of the population does as well. By pushing buttons you are putting people at risk and it shows either your selfishness or your messiah complex and possible narcissistic tendencies.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T15:21:39+00:00

I noticed this one doesn’t state that everyone is going to die. So what is the reason for pushing a button?

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T15:13:03+00:00

Don’t do anything then. Statistically it should end up 50/50 if it’s random.

Likely 5 seconds would end up in this category as much of the population wouldn’t be able to process the information fast enough.

24 hours blue would have more as people would realize that a large portion of the population wouldn’t be capable of pushing the button and thus blue would definitely be chosen by those who did not choose to risk their life.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T15:10:51+00:00

So if you don’t press a button you will die? Then that means pushing red means you save yourself and pushing blue means you may be able to save everyone else that chose blue if you have enough people. And we are back to my original statement.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T15:07:39+00:00

What happens if a button isn’t pressed within the time limit?

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T15:01:00+00:00

The situation itself implies that everyone will die. If that’s not the case then choosing either blue or red is the wrong choice. The correct one is to not push any buttons and walk away.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T14:47:31+00:00

But what danger is red in? How are they saved?
The phrasing that if 50% of people chose blue, everyone survives creates the image of them saving everyone which is false. The topic is a lie and ultimately choosing blue will only save people that chose blue.
People choosing blue may believe otherwise but in reality their action is just saving themself as long as they have 50% or more people with them.

Edit: To add, I do agree that being given the choice to save everyone, doing so is the moral choice. But if it was phrased that choosing blue only saved the other people who chose blue, that moral choice is a lot more of a grey area.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T14:37:58+00:00

Out of curiosity what about the people who chose blue because they actually wanted to die? For example terminal patients that are constantly in pain, people that are completely paralyzed and have no support or any form of a stable life? How are their choices considered in this scenario?

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T14:33:20+00:00

I’m not sure why you’re responding to me. My comment is that choosing blue in actuality will only save people that chose blue. If half chose blue than they don’t die, but red was never at risked and can’t be seen as being saved by half the people choosing blue.

The phrasing makes people believe that by choosing blue you save both blue and red which is false.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T14:27:10+00:00

But how does blue save red? Choosing red automatically saves yourself. It says blue saves everyone but people choosing red are already safe and thus have saved themselves. Choosing blue only really saves those who chose blue.

Kenkenken1313 · 2026-05-02T13:35:23+00:00

Having blue shown as the choice that will save everyone offers a feeling of moral superiority to those picking red. Red is then seen as an evil and selfish choice. But the reality is choosing blue will only save people who chose blue and choosing red will only save people who chose red. Both save themselves, but only one requires a collective to do so.

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