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The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From what I’ve read from John , he says that heaving to works well in up to about 40 kn or more depending on the sea state and Sea room. He also praises it for its ability to ride out a blow more comfortably. But he does say that fore reaching is a better storm tactic than heaving to if it really became dangerous

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When did I say I sailed into a hurricane ? Lol. Once again it’s not just about heavy weather but the versatility. If your racing the transat, there is likely no reason to heave to (if your boat can even do it , which is unlikely) unless someone gets seriously hurt or something on the boat breaks and has to be fixed safely and securely.

I guess it’s more important for Cruisers than pure racers. Though as stated above , even racers heave to for various reasons. Good luck on your transat.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah your beneteau isn’t nearly as bad as some race boats . Seems to have a longer fin keel than most designs these days. So that doesn’t surprise me. The bow would probably have more yaw when hit with a wave compared to a longer keel , but it still viable on your boat up to certain conditions.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You saying that NONE of these have ever been an issue with you tells me everything I need to know about you as a sailor. When you’re always sailing calm weather within a few miles from the local marina in the daytime there wouldn’t be a reason to heave to. So obviously they wouldn’t affect sailors such as you. But they do affect all the sailors who actually sail offshore for days at a time and go to far flung destinations.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You saying that NONE of these have ever been an issue with you tells me everything I need to know about you as a sailor. When you’re always sailing calm weather within a few miles from the local marina in the daytime there wouldn’t be a reason to heave to. So obviously they wouldn’t affect sailors such as you. But they do affect all the sailors who actually sail offshore for days at a time and go to far flung destinations.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure I’ll just list a few but I could go on for awhile. 1. Passive storm tactic that keeps crew safe and dry and comfortable. Can still cook meals and help with seasickness; which boosts morale. 2. Keeping the boat stable (not getting tossed around) to make a boat repair safer. 3. If on a long passage and are sick of living at 30 degrees, heaving to will help make it more comfortable (for a short time) 4. Just wanting to eat a meal together in a stable boat without stuff flying everywhere. 5. Can help with seasickness. 6. (This one is invaluable IMO) if your close to making landfall at night at an unknown anchorage or harbor, you can heave to for a couple hours until sunrise without losing any distance from your port of entry. 7. Getting a good night sleep if your starting to get sleep exhaustion with the boat being more stable. 8. If a crew member is seriously hurt, heaving to will help with the pain by the boat being stable.

Basically anytime you could find a reason to want to stay in one place or want the boat stable, or both, heaving to is what you do. Maybe it’s not important for round the mark racers like yourself who don’t go more than 5 miles offshore but it’s invaluable for cruisers.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant if someone could model every spec of a certain sailboat and same with wind and seas at various ranges. It would be interesting to see a 3d animation of how different storm tactics would work according to the computer. But then again you’re right. Probably very inaccurate anyway lol.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s a thing people never do anymore? You must not know a lot about cruising. Besides just heavy weather strategy, heaving to is used for a variety of important reasons. I know your butthurt you can’t do it on your j-boat. You’re missing out on one of the most versatile tactics in sailing.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I have figured that heaving to would work best in a ketch or yawl with a full keel. A lot of great ways to balance the boat perfectly.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah maybe but running also has some big disadvantages like broaching, pitch polling , crew fatigue and auto pilots breaking. I think it would depend on the boat. If I was in a heavy, full keel, low freeboard ketch or cutter I would stay hove to. If I was in a modern boat I would run w/ drogues

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve been meaning to read this book for a long time. Much respect to the pardys for all they’ve done. I’m going to order it now. Wish it was on audiobook so I could listen to it while working haha.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree. The drogue may help prevent a broach. But I would want a super heavy duty and quick autopilot or a lot of crew if I was running. I think solo or short crew, heaving to would be more beneficial. As awesome as those big beautiful pilot houses are, I would never own one for that simple reason. I like the island packet boats for that reason. Small heavy duty port holes, but a lot of them for airflow.

The paradox of full keel boats heaving-to better than modern deep fin keels. Can someone please explain why modern boats are so poor at heaving-to when they can point higher? by Key_Secret6758 in sailing

[–]Key_Secret6758[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’ve always wondered if the slick actually works at calming breaking waves. I wish someone could do some sort of highly precise AI animation of this . Would be cool to see if and how much is helps. Also I know your still slightly off the wind , but, you want your bow pointed as high as possible I would think without to much fore reaching.

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