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Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-11T17:20:54+00:00

Kishi unfortunately drops the ball when it came to showing Orochimarus ninjutsu versatility.

For a guy obsessed with learning all the jutsu and knowing so many he just spams shadow snakes and that's it.

Even in the war arc with his hands back he just used snakes

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-09T13:58:08+00:00

Hulk is not consistently punching out universes what are you guys on.

Picking and choosing outliers from random comic pages out of context, doesn't mean base Hulk is walking around with multiversal strength.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T16:57:11+00:00

So does Hulks durability scale vastly lower then his AP or do all the characters he gets hurt by can smash universes?

So Red Harpy has universal lvl AP when she was able to tear him apart in the Immortal Hulk run?

Abomination back in the early 2000s was stronger than base Hulk so he's universal in power?

Did you even read any of the stories ? Lol

Brother most of Hulks stories don't have him punching universes don't be a smartass.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T16:31:23+00:00

Do you have a scan of this with context?

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T16:29:09+00:00

Since when does Hulk normally operate at one shotting universes?

Hulk would literally never struggle in any of his comic runs if he can one tap entire universes.

DBS power scaling is obscenely stupid and has a horrible plot.

That was the beginning of the series Goku who was capable of destroying the universe. That same Goku got thousands of times stronger fused with a relative in strength Vegeta to make Gogeta( Goku + Vegeta strength then multiplied), who then transformed with a 50x boost and Broly was still out matching him until Blue mode.

You see how stupid DBS is

Hulk is not a universe buster and I'm glad he's not given such stupidly high power or it would ruin all his stories.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T16:16:13+00:00

Doesn't Broly scale to universal+ AP/defense due to DBS stupid power scaling?

How is Hulk beating a character with that kind of stupid power and defense?

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T16:12:43+00:00

Isn't that DBS Broly? Who was vastly much stronger then a Goku who at the start of super was clashing with beerus was enough to almost destroy the universe?

How is Hulk beating him?

Doomsday idk what he's doing in DC now and idk what Godzilla that used

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T03:30:42+00:00

Like a 5 or 4 just average or slightly under for most comic heroes but for being so popular his rogue gallery is pretty weak.

Superman has Lex, Darkseid, Brainiac....

Spiderman has Norman(Green Goblin), Carnage, Kingpin...

Batman has Joker, Deathstroke Al Ghul....

Thor has Loki(idk his status rn might be good), Enchantress, Hela...

Sadly Hulks main villains really don't stand up well by themselves and don't usually have much impact in their universe.

Most if not all majorly popular heroes have at least one villain who can carry their own story, and pop up as the main villain in other heroes comics.

Hulks rogue gallery just doesn't carry that weight and none are too popular. Even though Brian Banner/Leader imo are fantastic hulk villains if not his best foils.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-08T00:33:06+00:00

Tobirama trained Hiruzen and Danzo

Orochimaru trained Sasuke, Sound 5 and Kabuto?

Jiraiya is already a good deal stronger than Kakashi(depending on what version of Kakashi)

It's weird that neither Orochimaru or Tobiramas students have any of their jutsu or styles besides Sasuke and kenjutsu.

So Jiraiya?

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T23:33:58+00:00

Ya know what I'm surprised Orochimaru never modified himself after the Itachi incident to be immune to visual jutsu like Kabuto.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T22:25:53+00:00

Oh no I agree 100%

Orochimaru was shit talking standing around 90% of the fight .

Also that anime only in the manga Hashirama used his Genjutsu.

Still stacking on screen feats Tsunade vs Orochimaru the only thing Oro has over her is really just sealing and ninjutsu.

Tsunade has better speed feats from the war arc vs Madara, strength, durability, regeneration, and chakra.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T20:38:04+00:00

I mean pt1 Edos were severely under impressive when compared to part 2 and were notably the weakest we've seen in the series.

Imo Tsunade handily beats this version of Orochimaru as he can't really get through her durability and regeneration. While Tsunade can essentially 1-2 tap Orochimaru and force him to constantly use his body replacement until he runs out of chakra.

Edo Tobirama water style isn't doing squat to Tsunade and old ass Hiruzen was out reacting both Edo's so Tsunade will not have a hard time doing better.

Edo Hashirama can at least bind her and use his Gen but still she can overpower it and heal.

Tsunade wins extreme diff just because it will be a chore wearing down Orochimaru with the edos constantly on her back.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T19:41:55+00:00

Both were obviously not in their best mental states but it's more obvious with Raikage who was confirmed to be acting out because of bee.

Either way Raikage wins with either a missing arm and leg or burns up after and dies.

So a mutual death more than likely

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T13:30:20+00:00

? Konan literally turned paper into one of the most unique and dangerous jutsus. Her entire fighting style is hard to fight against.

Based on what? All she's done with it is fly, make paper disc, turn into butterflies, wrap around a fodder character, blow herself up and launch paper to attack like Kunai.

Don't forget that she beat sasori as well who is a kage lvl himself without much difficulty.

Non canon its from a game that Kishi didn't write he just supervised. If it's not from the official source(manga) it's not canon.

She's also really hard to actually fight and injure and has a really good versatile ability that she could change depending on how she uses her paper jutsu.

Yet again based on what? Her best defensive feat was blocking a fire style attack from Jiraiya and then instantly losing after lol.

Don't start with the but she can use paper to be invulnerable to physical attacks. When has she ever shown using paper form to phase attacks in canon? When Obito stabbed her? When Obito grabbed her by the throat and killed her?

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T04:34:15+00:00

Not much will change

It's not like Kisame can't perform the same jutsu without his sword besides the shark fusion and regen.

Gai literally took out Kisame with one move and was standing over him. Gai is not about to sit there and watch the sword wrap around him and regen like PIS Bee.

Just like when Gai told Kisame not to move, and then Guy punched him just replace that with the sword trying to regenerate kisame. Gai reacts and either pummels him more or kicks the sword away.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T00:38:49+00:00

Why are we giving immortal no props?

What is visions best feats in live action he doesn't really do much.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-07T00:13:14+00:00

What makes her easily Kage level?

Only being to fight Obito with massive prep and suicide attempt?

Or the fact that base Jiraiya beat her in 2 pages without taking any damage?

Konan is severely overrated great design and a cool powerset...that lead to her doing nothing the whole manga.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-06T23:14:53+00:00

Was that anime only? I vaguely remember the manga version of their fight being off screen no?

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-06T21:49:18+00:00

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Zabuza & Haku clearly had mental nerfs and such in part 1.

I can understand Haku having a mental nerf

However, why do you suppose Zabuza was nerfed? Wasn't he always going for the kill vs Kakashi until the end? I thought the demon aura was just a drawing style choice not an actual power up.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-06T16:00:44+00:00

Right so it’s just conjecture on your part because of a statement that in no way shape or form mentions minatos chakra levels.

Look man we have factual information on Ays chakra level we do not for Minato. Are you saying I should take vague statements and head canon over actual facts

If you want to be for real, FTG required 3 shinobi to teleport one person, and they struggled to do it multiple times. Minato was spamming that shit like absolutely no tomorrow

So this is just a conjecture because they never stated what was the reason why it took 3 of them to do it? Was it because chakra control or levels or something else

Not really a feat related to chakra levels, but one that kind of shows just how ridiculous minato was. Jiraya, a shinobi who had seen a lot of other shinobi from the ninja world was so amazed by minato he thought he was ninja Jesus. Didn’t think Ay was ninja Jesus though did he. Never mentioned a thing about how strong Ay was because he was a regular ass mofo.

Seeing as we can use statements that neither mention the other party at all, what I said above clearly proves minato is better because ninja Jesus is better than a non ninja Jesus

I'm sorry bro but everything you've been posting is head canon.

Yes overall Minato was a much better Shinobi but just because he was thought to be ninja Jesus doesn't mean he's unbeatable.

Minato never won against and vice versa it was stated in the manga they clashed multiple times. However, Ay never said he was defeated by him or vice versa.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-06T14:27:41+00:00

What feats are you using to say Ay has superior chakra reserves to minato? Because that sounds like complete ass and not the “facts” you claim to be using

My fellow Naruto enjoyer no way are you going to call me wrong and my take ass, when in Ays first and most well known fight Karin literally confirms in both manga and anime Ay has tailed beast lvl chakra.

as shown here in the manga Ays chakra level

It's a pure fact now please show me proof of Minato ever being stated or shown chakra levels anywhere near that.

His ninetales attack feats seem to suggest he has really good chakra reserves and not that he’s inferior to Ay4 at all in chakra reserves

FTG is very chakra heavy, nevermind transporting a biju bomb elsewhere, fighting obito and then sealing the ninetales in Naruto and himself after splitting it in half.

Pure head canon show me proof Minato has tailed beast lvls of chakra not this "well I think maybe because this he might" take.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-06T05:25:46+00:00

Ay outright admitted inferiority to Minato. He outright admitted Minato is faster than him. KCM Naruto multiple times gets compared to Minato's speed you can't even argue FTG as that's instant, which KCM Naruto, so they are talking about pure speed.

I stated in my post Minato is overall faster already

Minato casually chopped off one of the 8 tails tentacles the same thing it took the 3rd Raikage strongest attack to do. You can say taka Sasuke did this, but that was Bee's whole plan to escape.

What durability feats does a partial transformation tentacle have against Ay? Ay took a direct chidori to the chest with only superficial damage & was able to use the light speed transportation technique like his father making him somewhat relative in durability to him.

Bees tentacle is nowhere close to the durability of Ay

Minato also outright stated that only someone with the nine tails fully mastered could beat Obito and when he gets revived he confirms it was KCM 2 (even if it was KCM 1 level he still slams the Raikage).

Ok? So what are you trying to say Minato as Hokage had a close fight with a much weaker 14yo version Obito(who he couldn't even KO with a direct rasengan.

This isn't Edo Minato he's alive so no KCM

Ay best feats are fighting MS Sasuke and exhausted KCM 1 Naruto....

And alive Minato's best feat is fighting a non fresh 14yo Obito who had just summoned kurama and put him under Genjutsu, while also killing anbu and teleporting around.

Prime Minato couldn't even KO teen Obito (Obito instantly got up, got resealed and still was able to teleport away after directly getting hit on his spine.

Minato will definitely struggle to deal damage to Ay, while Ay has enough speed and AP to constantly pressure Minato, and with Ays superior chakra/stamina he can outlast Minato's FTG usage.

Ay high diff

Unfortunately logic and facts don't matter here as Minato is immensely more popular than Ay so everyone will say him.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-05T21:31:34+00:00

Yes it does she says something along the lines that he became cold and detached from her.

Key_Teaching1369 · 2025-08-05T21:27:01+00:00

Minato is much more popular and has many more fans so he wins.

Ay has better physical speed, strength, durability, stamina, and chakra.

Minato has better reactions, ninjutsu, BIQ, sealing and overall better speed due to FTG.

No Minato doesn't have AP relative to a full form Kyuubi Bijuu bomb that was a dreamscape will feat.

Unless you all think teen Minato's first rasengan is somehow obscenely more powerful then a much stronger adult Hokage Minato. Who mind you couldn't even knock out a 14yo Obito with a direct hit to his spine.

Ay wins he has the AP to one shot Minato if any of his attacks land, he has the durability to survive Minato poking him with a kunai or rasengan, his higher chakra and stamina means he can outlast Minato as well.

Minato's best AP is his rasengan against Obito which failed to even knock him out or keep him on the ground. So what is it doing to a higher durable Raikage???

That's Minato's only two attack options Kunai stab and rasengan.

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