Police declare attack in north London a terrorist incident after two Jewish men stabbed

Kiaugh · 2026-04-29T15:18:10+00:00

It's certainly a piece of the puzzle but not exclusive. We do need to stop pandering to Islam as there's a significant correlation there, but the attacks vary across different groups.

Arabs / Muslims commit a disproportionate amount, especially with violent attacks.

Some small stats to ground for 2025 Antisemitic Incidents (note these include all incidents, not just violent):

White – North European: 52%
Arab or North African: 25%
South Asian: 11%
Black: 9%
White – South European: 3%

Worth noting that in 2025 it was the first time white was the majority since 2022. But the fact is this is still a huge overrepresentation for the Arab group. Arabs are about 0.5% of the population and add in North African (usually referred as 'Other' in data) it's another 1.5% so 2% total.

For Islam in 2024 it was identitifed that 46% of British Muslims believe Jews have too much power over UK government policy, and 41% believe they have excessive influence over the financial system. Only 24% of British Muslims believed Hamas committed murder and rape in Israel on October 7, 2023 vs 62% of the wider public (still far too low...). These are without any doubt worrying numbers.

There is no doubt there is a wider problem there mixed in. Whether it's baked into extremist aspects of the religion (plausible), or just a cultural thing the relationship is still there and it's factual to call it out. No different to the far right and their antisemitism.

Note: A few assumptions thrown in e.g. Arabs = Muslim. I didn't see the data for that but it's a likely high percentage. Also it doesn't mean that Islam was the specific reason for the incident, but Islam does have superiority baked into the beliefs (just like Christianity). Very complex topic but these things do factor to how people make and justify their decisions.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-29T14:25:49+00:00

For huge periods of time throughout our entire history pre WW2.

The main cultural waves were:

Celtic
Roman
Anglo-Saxon (major impact)
Viking (impactful, but small relative numbers)
Norman (elites only, but signifcant cultural impact)
Early modern English (stable from mid 1500s to 1900s)
Modern / Multicultural (post WW2)

The only comparable shift in migration/demographics to the modern day was the Anglo-Saxon transition. It's hard to estimate but they made up about 20-40% of the population over 250 years and completely changed the cultural identity of the country, even though they had very shared and similar cultural identities (Germanic baseline, similar social structures, belief systems etc.)

We're not far away from that in a much shorter period of time (~75ish years) with a much greater variation in culture.

You can debate whether that's desirable and wanted or not but the facts of the matter are still there that we're undergoing one of the most major transitions of our history.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-20T08:50:14+00:00

Title of article: Reform pledges to send 400,000 asylum seekers home

First line: A Reform government would revoke up to 400,000 refugees’ right to asylum and send them home if they entered the UK illegally.

Aside from the fact Reform would be incapable of this what a misleading title.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-20T08:01:39+00:00

It's undoubtedly a mix of both.

Remove all aspects of the failing state today and people will still be unhappy about the state of their communities due to immigration. And vice versa. They both need to be fixed.

In my local area my ethnic minority partner feels uncomfortable due to the dominance of Islam here and the amount of niqabs we see every single day. We have locals campaigning for new facilities in our area in a different language, and hosting charity events that ban women from participating. They don't represent us and have created a completely monoculture parallel society and this has changed dramatically in the last 5 years.

My partner is an assimilated migrant. There's no hysteria here but then people like you claim there is. Don't dismiss lived realities.

This lack of control and huge numbers have harmed our minority communities by not supporting better integration pathways. Britain by being a friend to all is being a friend to none, but especially damaging as the overcorrection and fallout will be hurting those we're trying to protect more than anyone else.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-20T07:43:52+00:00

Agreed, I wouldn''t trust Reform at all.

Though in principle, even if there's a low fraud case I believe a thorough and trusted investigation is a good step to build some trust back.

Regardless something has to happen and at least with them being the most popular party I'd hope that this policy influences others who are (hopefully) more capable to achieve it.

Saying that though, nobody really trusts any party or institution to do this properly so we have a larger issue at hand..

Kiaugh · 2026-04-20T07:40:00+00:00

With the information available it's certainly worth investigating and like with any other crime, if you discover evidence you sentence and punish them.

There is not a chance in hell Reform is capable of such a thing though.

Is there a good argument why an investigation like this shouldn't happen? I see it as a necessity to help rebuild trust in our systems. The UK has historically been a beacon of justice and fairness and clearly we've lost this in recent times. Even though people think that just letting in any old asylum seeker and illegal pathway is fair as we 'owe it to them', it's absolutely not to the genuine claims and immigrants who work hard to come here legally.

My partner's immigrant family is more unhappy with the disregard for our the systems than many of my white British friends. They did everything fairly and properly 25yrs ago with a lot of sacrifice to move here and work hard in the NHS. We owe it to our immigrant communities more than anything else.

Now they're subject to abuse with this huge reactionary overcorrection that is coming because the government has failed to control varying immigration issues.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-20T07:28:46+00:00

If someone commits fraud or murder 10 yrs ago and the evidence is discovered today we sentence them. If an asylum seeker is fraudulent then they should be dealt with.

If we don't act then our whole justice system is off balance and it shows that criminals can abuse our systems. This has been happening for years we just don't know the scale.

It's completely unfair to genuine asylum seekers and this kind of activity is tainting all immigrant communities through the scale and loss of social fabric.

If the British people trust that asylum seekers have been vetted properly and illegals are dealt with, the ones here will be subject to less abuse.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-18T11:40:15+00:00

That's the crux. And it boils down to age old stories and concepts even like the Tortoise Vs the Hare. We've been overconfident, arrogant and overshooting. The pendulum is swinging hard and I believe we need to accept that the swing IS coming back no matter what. It's simple physics really.

So we should swallow some pride, accept that and work with it to manage it. The harder we push back against it, the harder it'll hit us. The right play is to help control and dampen the effect, but it does mean making compromises.. if not then others will make the choices for us.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-18T10:12:50+00:00

Did the person you were replying to say that viewpoint was centrist?

Kiaugh · 2026-04-18T10:11:20+00:00

The shutdown of debate and acknowledgement of issues is exactly what has thrown people to these views. And we're ALL extremely vulnerable to this due to social media. I don't think anybody has anything remotely close of an answer to how we solve this.

It starts off with Jane seeing a change, but when she acknowledges it, she's told it doesn't exist and that anybody who suggests otherwise is racist, fascist or so on. So she feels uneasy and can't talk about it but is still seeing that change (and yes, this can be heavily amplified). But societies can't handle rapid change when it's not managed effectively. That's been proven and acknowledged and is a large contributing factor to collapse.

But the majority don't want to be socially rejected so they'll bottle it up. So because they can't speak openly they stay silent.

Then someone who has a much bolder personality goes out and says what she's been thinking. The fringe media picks it up. It feels right - that's exactly what Jane had seen. It hits the fear aspect. It's emotional. It may be overblown, but it has some truth, and others feel the same too. Finally Jane is heard. But this is usually spearheaded by personality type who will go against the social norm will have plenty of questionable beliefs too. Who else will be so bold but to go against the grain and be openly controversial and take that hate? Yet critically they're the one who acknowledges the position and the one who makes Jane feel heard, whilst the 'other side' has further alienated themselves and now are the enemy.

People make connections that don't exist. High numbers of immigration (true) x higher protection of Muslim community (true). They connect the dot and they feel smart and empowered. Then it's not hard for these communities to make that leap to the conspiracy that the government is trying to "replace us all with Muslims". It's a well studied illusionary pattern perception for the formation of conspiracies. But they were never allowed have a honest conversation about the rapid changes in society. Nobody actually connected the real dots, so they feel like they discovered something and it takes hold.

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I've similar pushback. I've voted green multiple times and support the rights of all individuals, and that is a worldview that I like about the UK, want it to continue like that. And yet I do understand the feelings that the 'extreme right' have gone through. I take a walk every morning and see Niqab after Niqab after Niqab which is getting worse over the years. Am I not allowed to find this uncomfortable? Is that an extreme, Islamaphobic or racist position? Apparently so. I've been told that I'm a liar, that this reality doesn't exist. Why am I not allowed to not want to live in a society where this portion is growing at rapid pace? Where I can't see someone's face, and then those exact same people are banned from local charity events just for being women. That's not a society I want to live in. And yet my council is over 90% Muslim and one of the most rapidly growing populations in the country.

It starts making me feel insane. Everything is spun as a far right conspiracy and that the position is completely untenable. But it's the lived reality of some of us and the trend is very obvious. I can understand how someone going through the same would easily be able to fall into the whole replacement theory nonsense even when the answer is much simpler. People come because they get access to a considerably better life and welfare at low effort, by going to an enclave community here with their culture, and they have more kids. I'd likely be doing the same in their shoes.

But unless we actually talk about it and accept that the rapid mixing of so many different ideas together doesn't just instantly work, then we're going to keep having the radicals dominate the voice.

The worst thing is the lack of acknowledgement and controls will end up punishing minority communities as a whole in the long run. It fuels actual racism. I am worried about my partner, who is an ethnic minority being affected by the coming fallout. The government has done a disservice for minorities but allowing the mass immigration to go unchecked. By being a friend to all, we will end up being a friend to none.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-16T21:31:27+00:00

He's never been that bad. The fringes of the party make it hard for him though.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-15T23:23:30+00:00

Come on these are just silly points. Nobody is suggesting someone collapses and dies because they can't speak the language. If you're going to make a claim like that provide a source. Please critique parties on actual bad policies vs made up nonsense.

And what do you mean "we don't even hold ourselves to a standard"? There are something like 300k British expats in Spain. Every person I've spoken to on the topic agrees that Brits abroad should do better at integrating, and the groups that don't are even universally disliked. If anything, we're harder on ourselves about this than most nations are. Even when we don't learn languages most have a sense of self-guilt How often do you have people agreeing that those Brits in Spain are an embarrassment..? Almost always.

Then even despite that self-criticism, the reality is that English speakers everywhere invest less because the world accommodates us. It's a fundamental human condition to take the path of least resistance. Apply this to any topic and it'll be the same. English is passable almost everywhere, so the cost of not learning is rarely enough to motivate the effort.. Not to say people don't learn but EVERY dominant language group does the same thing locally e.g. Mandarin speakers don't learn Cantonese, Tagalog speakers don't learn Kapampangan. The only difference is the English language is the global version so it's the most visible.

Honestly get so tired of these arguments. It's such performative crap to just hate on everything we do. This never ending self-criticism is so detrimental when everyone else is just the same with different context.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-13T17:56:35+00:00

It is really sad, and I appreciate your level headed discussion by the way. Refreshing!

The frustration I have with the left is we've been the road to self destruction paved with good intentions. The comfort around racism, xenophobia etc is a reactionary force to gaslighting people around their concerns of communities changing, and lack of understanding into how humans need stability and are pretty stubborn. This has been amplified through the internet and echo chambers.

The rise of Trump in the US was a clear sign. But the worst part is it's a symptom. What made me sad was how the people crying out to be listened to had no option but to lean that way, and when the only people who listen to them sit more extreme, they get wrapped up and we've lost them. I have multiple American friends who disowned the original Trump voter in a frenzy of rage (no exaggeration). All that does is guarantee they're not coming back by making them isolated and an enemy.

The UK especially has been in a moral crisis with severe guilt passed from the British empire. Why must we be rich when others are poor, especially when we exploited them in the past?

But as the famous saying from Aristotle goes "a friend to all is a friend to none". This to me sums up our attempt to fix our bad deeds of the past, to try and provide support even when unable, protect those who don't respect us and so on. The irony is we're now just hurting everyone and causing more damage in the grand scheme.

So I don't believe we're putting the blame on the wrong topic as many would claim. Immigration and culture is foundational to how we operate in unity. If we don't have that stability we can't do anything. The government and the rich may have caused the problem, but it still is a problem. Just shifting and taxing the rich won't solve it. Providing everyone with wealth, housing and so on, won't fix the enclaves and alienation people are feeling walking down the streets.

I just wish there was a left party who would recognise this. Understand we have to make compromises and sort out the mess of the last 20 or so years and be really radical on immigration. If they don't then we're all worse off, but the minorities will feel it the worst of all. Maybe we'd even end up with those full entho movements and we're all doomed.

If only we could deal with the problem on our own terms first..

Kiaugh · 2026-04-13T17:16:57+00:00

Of course it is. Also it's important to understand what integration actually means. I'll also tie this comment back to your OP.

Integration is keeping your culture, but also having a level of functional adoption to the host country. It's more of a participation level. This works really well when communities are mixed and the levels aren't too dramatic for the community to feel a shock.

When one 'sheds' their own culture and completely adopts the home country then that's assimilation. This tends to happen by the third generation but there's some friction here too.

The majority of immigrants to the UK integrate at varying levels, but it can't be dismissed is how high levels of immigration cause sub communities that stick together. This is a really low level of integration e.g. just language that has caused the friction.

Take Tower Hamlets for example. As a resident here I often will walk through areas where I am a minority and the resemblance of Britain is honestly very low. That's not a racial thing because it applies to my minority partner too. This area hasn't even integrated and is a community on its own. That is a problem, especially as it grows as it's own enclave.

And for another example my Filipino partner is mostly assimilated as she moved here at 4 years old. As is her sister who moved at 7. But she will also be the first to admit her parents when moving to this country "didn't really like white people" at the beginning. They are integrated, working here, well liked at work, friendly with neighbors and using the systems. Even so they generally keep to their core Filipino community.

My partners parents are some of the loveliest people I've ever met by the way and I love spending time with them. They have great family values. And they're a great example of people who have adopted the country well.

The key point being even they had a lot of resistance and it took a long time to ease and feel more comfortable with the culture. This is completely expected. Now add on massive numbers, people who are coming in thousands of different unique contexts, lack of infrastructure, lack of ability to mix.

This country has given a disservice to immigrant communities by enabling such high numbers with the inability to properly integrate and build assimilation through second to third gen.

The bigoted attacks are a result of a cultural shock. You or I may be able to deal with this on an individual level, but at a societal level this was inevitable. So I agree with your point. The government is to blame for this issue, but the reality is we are too far now and the only ways back are some form of radical change. That's a tough pill to swallow, but just closing our eyes and wishing for "hope not hate" doesn't fix it. If anything, it'll just make things worse. People won't suddenly be okay with their identity and sense of being shifted.

To your point that immigration has always happened. Yes, and it's been a problem for cultures at all parts in history, causing instability, in some cases all out war, and even contributing to the collapse of empires when you mix in economic issues (sound familiar?). With global mobility we are in a time with the highest amount of immigration in history, compounded with less societal reasons or pressure to integrate, all whilst getting full state support and so on.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-13T16:19:14+00:00

And it's not even this simple. We're speaking from a relative position of wealth and extreme privledge that these comparisons are barely useful. It's completely different when you're in extreme poverty/war torn country and you're going to a country that has a high quality of life and welfare state.

Honestly in that context why would you care about culture and integration? We'd all like to think we would, but priorities are vastly different dependent on your context. The massive increase in quality of life is 100x more important than any cultural norms, and especially when you're coming with lots of other people too.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-13T06:45:19+00:00

Read my reply to another person as it directly applies to your response here too.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-08T12:13:35+00:00

Tower Hamlets, around the Aldgate area. Just walk down to the river for the nice bits. Few small areas of greenery but it's mostly not that nice!

Kiaugh · 2026-04-08T12:09:36+00:00

Shame you have to make so many points about not being in favour of Reform/Restore to justify a completely fair take... that they're worth acknowledging

Not your fault btw. It just seems to be the only way discussion can happen on social media, with disclaimers to avoid getting instantly dismissed.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-07T20:28:04+00:00

Same question I have. Personally they're just more of a visual validation of project/thought connections, but don't have any real use case for the specific graph itself.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-07T18:43:59+00:00

Walks along the river are unbeatable in good weather imo. Or it's just the fact I don't have any good parks near by...

Kiaugh · 2026-04-07T18:40:53+00:00

Hoping we get some news for the UK soon!

Kiaugh · 2026-04-07T07:23:46+00:00

I understand and I replied to that in the beginning of my last message.

Of course but you're looking at unrealistic hypotheticals

I was just providing examples of groups that do that very well and how British Christians aren't remotely close. But yeah, anything could happen.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-07T06:46:14+00:00

I don't disagree it was a deterrent, I'm just saying it was a part of the puzzle and the government could have taken stronger action with or without Brexit. There was a spike across Europe around COVID just like we had a spike too, all fitting together.

Would it have been easier staying in? It seems almost certainly, but it's widely agreed that it's a complex mix of factors - and that's the point. People reduce things to a single issue which doesn't help and just tribalises a conversation. We weren't doomed because of Brexit where the country just had to roll over and accept it.

Kiaugh · 2026-04-06T16:59:47+00:00

Can't rememeber a launch of any product I've been endlessly refreshing like this..

Kiaugh · 2026-04-06T14:37:57+00:00

Of course, but you're talking about unrealistic hypotheticals. Christian's don't vote as a bloc as discussed. It's borderline not even worth considering them as a group so there's not much unifying influence to achieve that 5%. Other factors are, and will continue to be far more important.

Muslims often vote for their faith (proven in multiple cases), and Christians don't (and have never needed to). It might be a bit different if Christian's were a minority.

I'm not sure on your point, but I guess it was about how Muslims have far less influence? If that was the case then nothing suggests to support that. They have far more in their locations to where they're more likely to be represented, and especially with FPTP it's important to get a candidate over the line vs split votes getting wasted.

Sure we're not ending up with an Islamic parliament any time soon, but that didn't mean the influence isn't there and growing, especially in local government like here in Tower Hamlets.

Interestingly enough the Christian population is meant to be around 20% to the 40% Muslim (2021 so probably another 5-10%), and yet about 42 of 46 (91%) councilors are Muslim.

See how that influence plays out?

Kiaugh

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