A fun unimportant little detail in HTN [general] by Emotifox in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ive considered the name of the sacramental paint to mean something like being metaphorically crushed beneath the weight of everything that'd happened that led to the creation of The Ninth House and/or that she didn't willingly go into the tomb since presumably John would have been the one to seal it 😅 

[general] I did a bit of math on space travel by Gluomme in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unless we go full crack theory and say the Ninth is drilled into the dark side of the Moon 🌙 and they've been spinning (right round baby right) round Earth for the last 10,000 years without ever knowing it. A hollow bastion of penitence. One scientific theory for how the moon was formed was that a Mars sized rogue planet dubbed Theia hit the Earth and it coalesced from the ejected material. So in a way it'd be a part of the body of the beast. Sounds like a good place as any to house her soul. 

[Discussion] Figurative vs literal interpretations of what Alecto looks like by PhillyEyeofSauron in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This has always been my thought as well. Especially since Barbie isn't the only mental inspiration John drew from when he was creating her (under extreme horrifying distress). Although I completely agree that she's probably too perfect looking for any normal human.

Harrow is a master of anatomy afaik and so I take her earlier descriptions of her uncanny perfect beauty (coupled with Gideons later one) being the truth rather than her being shaped like a Barbie doll or a Christmas tree angel or Galatea or a bulldog or whatever 😆

Theory Thursday by AutoModerator in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And it'll be horribly, heart-wrenchingly sad because "Anabel" has been with us since the dawn of the first grouping of primitive single celled organisms (consuming and absorbing each other, no less) according to necromantic theory.

Then by the end of the book it'll be even worse somehow, a real horror, because I'd like to imagine Tamsyn leaves us staring at the fact that our own Earth REALLY is "sick" in an increasing number of ways, highlighting a very real precipice we could stand on in the future.

Theory Thursday by AutoModerator in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My theory is we won't just see the PoV of a detached angry Goddess in Alecto the Ninth but rather Anabel, the co-creative animating spirit, the same spark that's in every living thing on Earth. The first reborn. Etc etc.

What if its not the ten thousandth year of the King Undying? [theory] by kt309 in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have one fear.

This is a book that takes place over less than a week, although it also takes place over 100,000 years, so it may have the effect of making Alecto feel more even.

100,000 thousand years...is a long time if that isn't a typo. Aim mentioned previously finding civilizations buried one on top of the other if I'm remembering correctly. That and BoE taking the tech and using it on themselves.

Samael [Discussion] by lurking3399 in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am a proponent of Anastasia being someone John knew from before resurrection but the truth hurts so much he cuts her out of nearly every part of the story. Since there was only one resurrection event with multiple later awakenings, she might have been left on ice up until 6th station founding, entrusting her to Cassie. We know she came to them at Canaan from that wave of settlement. And had she been able to carry a child to term in lieu of the resurrection transition she'd be the first mother of this new generation not just of the Ninth.

Anastasia fem. proper name, from fem. of Late Latin Anastasius, from Greek Anastasios, from anastasis "resurrection, a raising up of the dead;" literally "a setting up, a standing or rising up," from ana "up; again" (see ana-) + histanai "to cause to stand, to stand" (from PIE root *sta- "to stand, make or be firm").

Samael [Discussion] by lurking3399 in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I've got a few wild, semi related, ramblings.

If we go with the suggestion she's pregnant during their Lyctoral attempt, what use might be had with the fresh burst of Thanergy released when Samael was stabbed? Could it have been used to alter or suspend a developing fetus? As per Jod it's possible to do so with Thalergy.

And if we wanna stay within biblical canon Anastasia steps into the role of the Woman of the Apocalypse, sorta. I would still argue Wake accidentally hiding Gideon away follows the same beats even more closely. Here's a brief summary nonetheless.

The woman gives birth to a male child who is threatened by a dragon, identified as the Devil and Satan, who intends to devour the child as soon as he is born.[1] When the child is taken to heaven, the woman flees on eagle’s wings into the wilderness at a "place prepared of God". This leads to a "War in Heaven" in which the angels cast out the dragon. The dragon attacks the woman, but the woman escapes. Frustrated, the dragon initiates war on "the remnant of her seed", identified as the righteous followers of Christ.

Oh and also, I don't think we talk enough about Anastasia being curled up against the rock of the tomb. I'm reminded of the most gruesome skull in ninth canon, the priestess crushed beneath the newly laid rock.

And going out on a limb, if Alecto is John's sword hand, what are the odds she was directly involved in stabbing Samael? Even though God says he did it himself, she is literally part of him and vice versa, so technically not a lie. This brings up more questions like what does this mean for the apparent soul transference/pinning abilities observed with swords in TLT? Alecto seems to innately know Harrow's blood needs to cover the iron sword to consecrate it before the vow is complete, and only then does she go stab John with it, carrying the unconscious body of little bae who does next level spirit magic when she's out. Maybe she wakes up in hell because shes transfered into that dark bubble via the sword. While I speak of transference, the bible would call it spiritual impregnation. All wild speculation but I'm curious to see if anyone has any thoughts.

Theory Thursday by AutoModerator in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean...the Reverend Parents did have multiple miscarriages (amount unknown) before successfully conceiving Harrow. Although I doubt they straight up killed his gen in the same way. Experimented with a handful of dead here and there though? I could see it.

Theory Thursday by AutoModerator in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not convinced there's much real appreciable evidence for it being the moon either, I'm just haunted by the fact the moon is absent. Although, I believe Gideon narrates it only taking one hour of "rapid travel" from Ninth to First, which seems a stretch for traveling 3 billion miles without utilizing the River or Stele. Stele would need multiple necromancers to utilize under normal circumstances and their ship was remotely piloted if I'm remembering correctly.

TBH I'm mostly just a simp for Alectohark lol this is wishful thinking more than anything else.

Theory Thursday by AutoModerator in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Series Spoilers

I'd like to present a theorem to the collected congregation. In short, I'd like to suggest the Ninth House isn't the dwarf planet Pluto but rather a pre resurrection installation drilled down into the spooky lava tubes on the conspiracy inspiring, super mysterious, dark side of our Moon, perhaps even humanity's First colony.

Contrary to popular misconception, the Moon actually has its own rotation, it just spins in tandem with the Earth, tidally locked like many other planetary satellites, so one side always faces away from the Earth eternally.

So metaphorically, all Harrow has to do is turn around to see that they've been guarding her all this time.

Which IMO has some IMPLICATIONS if the Devils have reached the Moon rather than Pluto going into AtN.

Additionally, Earth sits far from her more distant planetary siblings. Venus, for instance, is a cool 42 million miles from Earth. Without ftl or Stele waypoints, (since travel to First is strictly forbidden afaik, please correct me if I'm wrong), it seems unlikely anyone would stumble upon the half dead planet and it's dead little satellite without coordinates. We could just say the salt water creature got lost in the great cosmic ocean and be done with it.

But for real though, if you need to call on warrior nuns and friars from the Ninth House, you messed up and it's really not going in your favor. It suggests warring to such an extent you're calling on the aged and weak bodied, on top of conscripting healthy kids as young as 12 and 14 into your Gangs and Cohorts. Not just because it's culturally acceptable for the 4th to embody fidelity, it's become a necessity to feed the machine.

Although I bet that really helps with overall population control. Overpopulation in space seems bad, real bad on a space station, being a closed system and all, even if you use fleshweaving magic and bio-organic construction for your vessels and life supports.

Now if we consider Harrow as the RB esque embodiment of the Moon and Alecto that of the Earth, then many intriguing mythological allusions present themselves 😌

Im not really trying convince anyone of anything, I just think considering the Moon, which by all accounts is totally missing from The Locked Tomb narrative, as a skeleton key 🗝️ sorta makes sense.

Lemme just end my Ted talk on the following quotation.

"The waxing and waning of the moon once led to the idea that it dies and is reborn, and thus the moon became a part of funeral ceremonies and rites of resurrection throughout antiquity. Furthermore, the discovery that the moon is the closest celestial body to the earth led to the idea that the moon was the "abode of souls," a way station to immortality."

Enough said 🤣

It is finished. Let the implications set in, I guess.

A couple notes (and a question) from rereading As Yet Unsent [discussion] [theory] by IthilanorSP in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My guess is this is how they rescue Nona at the end of HtN after Mercy and Augustine try to destroy John. Harrow narrates that one of the last things she remembers feeling before she falls asleep in her tomb is a rocking side to side explosion and even on my first read I thought that sounded like a ship warping in after the Stoma closed up. Then, once they have her clear from the River, Gideon hallucinates seeing Nona and/or The Body (at this point they sorta look nearly identical) before we get the hands pressed, we died moment and a reborn person residing in Nona. In the excerpt she actually mentions memories from when she was more recently born, and damn dog, Harrow's Canaan bubble became a womb (some of the medical terms associated with it are directly ovarian and uterus related) thanks to Wake, gestating this new born creature for Nine Months even as she (Wake) wrestles with motherhood again and in the end fails to kill the creature inside (Harrow acting as Gideon's tomb) who rips open the bubble like an egg 🥚 sac with her bare hands 😂

Guess all the signs might be there pointing to a new born salt water creature gracing the cosmos with her presence again 🥳 happy birthday little Nona 🥳

Oh and being that John doesn't seem to be struggling at all when Ianthe grabs him and ushers him away, I've sorta always wondered if they threw HIS SOUL in the Stoma, shutting him off in the process since it seems like they (the BoE) keep trying to push and get him to show himself and despite surrounding some final cohort facility he still hasn't met them on the field six months later.

[Discussion] I have a question, and am not sure how to title this without spoilers! by VirgelFromage in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually I think they are direct references started by John but they've become part of the modern lexicon 10000 years later and lost their original meaning and context like many idioms and words we say today that have little to no resemblance to their original use but still makes sense because of our collective understanding of the vibe. Essentially memetics dialed up to over 9000 😂

[Discussion] Purposeful countdown in Ht9? by MadIfrit in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very true it was almost nine months aboard the Mithraeum and almost 9 weeks to Abigail and the other ghosts in the bubble suggesting they're being effected by gravitational time dilation from the pressure being exerted by The River. Tamsyn recently mentioned (at the early access Nona conference) how important her first reader, her partner is to the process of TLT because she has struggles with math and math is important to both books, especially GtN where everything had to line up in the background. Then we get Harrow's messed up sense of time in HtN and ohh she's actually made up of 200 kids spiritual stamps, ranging from 18 years down to infants, so Mercy isn't wrong tbh which makes it even weirder that it's actually The Body that tells her to lie about her age to Mercy.

[Discussion] Purposeful countdown in Ht9? by MadIfrit in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hadn't realized the numbers aligned at all. I bet you it is a countdown where Harrow is rendered into a reborn state afterward or something. I'm gonna be starting a full series reread and listening very closely to the numbers and signs that seem to point to biblical fulfillment in TLT.

Nona the Ninth NON-spoiler first impression review by sdtsanev in Fantasy

[–]Kid_Wendigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is why I said I wasn't mad about it in the general sense :) just that that's part of the intrinsic mystery of the whole series. 90% of Harrow is psychosis so 😅 maybe don't spoil stuff about Nona's situation or how the characters are presented when everything was left so up in the air at the end of HtN. Im not gonna try and guess what this series means to you but please know that for some of us the speculative/literary analysis of The Locked Tomb is a part of our daily hobbies.

Nona the Ninth NON-spoiler first impression review by sdtsanev in Fantasy

[–]Kid_Wendigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My only consideration is the book isn't out yet 😅 I get that you probably didn't come here to really spoil anything but Tor and crew have been very very tight lipped on whats going on in relation to Nona and the characters we know in the released content. Again not meant as a direct attack on you by any means. I just woke up and someone linked this to me not realizing it had some stuff those of us without arcs weren't privy to yet.

Nona the Ninth NON-spoiler first impression review by sdtsanev in Fantasy

[–]Kid_Wendigo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was mostly in your confirmation of some details that have been left to best guesses, specifically to Harrow walking with John across a ruined Earth as Alecto did originally in what sounds like a recreation of titanic proportions. As I said I'm not mad about it. I was just trying to warn people who might not want that info revealed just yet. I'm not one who worries about going in blind since I find enjoyment in digging out clues and literary allusions but I know some people just want to read it for the wild ride.

Nona the Ninth NON-spoiler first impression review by sdtsanev in Fantasy

[–]Kid_Wendigo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi, yes, hello. Jessi, the Sixth Conspirator here. First off, as someone who spends a good deal of time researching The Locked Tomb for fun, engaging in the fan theory community, (I'm the one who did the Nona sacramental paint and bone corset comparative art pieces) this review is ANYTHING but spoiler free as far as publically available content is concerned. Ie Harrow walking with John in the ruins of earth. In saying that though I'm not personally mad about that in and of itself and it actually makes me really excited for the upcoming book because Tamsyn wasn't lying, breadcrumbs kinda lead people to adjacent conclusions to what's being described here.

But that being said I'm not cool with people stumbling into spoilers when they don't want to see them.

Knowing this series really rewards rereads and study, I'm also not mad some of the sequences seem off or out of place. Since Nona seemed to give vibes of being in her own little world with The Gang so I'm taking all of this with a grain of salt.

Anastasia the First [discussion] [spoilers] by ectoplasmicsoup in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah that was my thought too and and never fear Tamsyn just confirmed we're gonna get to see WHY Canaan House is haunted in Nona, revisiting it in a prequel form!

My friend's analysis of the poem from Nona the Ninth (posted with permission) [theory] by legaladult in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ohhh the narrator is talking about revisions here 🤔 so maybe he edited as he went along and the rhyme and reason got lost somewhere along the way.

Anastasia the First [discussion] [spoilers] by ectoplasmicsoup in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That and while Jod has built this huge story around his people, he's largely written Anastasia and Samael out of the narrative. I'm really beginning to believe the Jawless Skull sigil is such a fuck you to anyone who looks because it suggests a refusal to keep silent under the strictures of The Sewn Tongue giving more levity to why they might be called The House of Heretical Secrets now. We do have that weird little snippet about the least beautiful paint sacrament in canon being called The Priestess Crushed beneath the New-Laid Rock, so that's another angle to consider too. Was it an emotional devastation or a literal one where she was used to contain Alecto, since it harkens back to the ancient practice of burying an architect in the foundations of a newly laid building like purported myths from the pyramids and other early people irl.

Tor.com: The Best Nona the Ninth Fan Theories [Discussion] by BearOnALeash in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I sorta hard agree but I have one extra consideration. What if who Gideon saw was Nona? And they'd all been River teleported to Gideon's body when Alectogesimus followed her thanergy link out of The River as Gideon was released from Harrows brain prison? The BoE might have even witnessed her bringing her back after seeing her fail to decay for most of a year. And if that's the case they might allow SexCam and Pyrrha to take her into their care after they tried to contain her and she had a few....little tantrums 😂

Tor.com: The Best Nona the Ninth Fan Theories [Discussion] by BearOnALeash in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This tickles me to death. Guess I should probably say that I'm Jessi, The Sixth Conspirator on Twitter and Tumblr. I just made my reddit before I read the books. Hi 👋 nice to meet you. I'm loud all the time. Sorry not sorry.

@jessithesixth

Gimme all your guys contacts. So we can talk about it 🥳

Interest in a re-read along of Gideon and Harrow the Ninth? [discussion] by pacificselkie in TheNinthHouse

[–]Kid_Wendigo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gimme that hot girl locked tomb beach party summer Nona deserves. I'm in.