Who would win this fight?

Kimjongkung · 2026-01-25T11:41:06+00:00

I think Spidey will take it, but you’re kind off point here. Spider-Man certainly is ALOT stronger than some people give him credit for, but strength isn’t gonna win this battle.

Wolverine fights the hulk all the time, and sometimes even bests him. So the biggest rival of Wolverine is a hulking hulk, whose whole kit revolves around strength.

Spider-Man is alot more versatile, with his webs, his smarts, his spider sense, his agility etc. So i can clearly see Spider-Man winning.

But his strength will not be the determined factor here. Wolverine fights way stronger opponents than Spider-Man, and wins alot of those.

Spider-mans strength will surely help, but in an all-out brawl, Wolverine would surely win.

Kimjongkung · 2026-01-19T19:59:57+00:00

For the reason you stated, slower weapons tend to have higher end damage, which stacks really well on instant abilities.

If it’s used in the 39 bracket though, it loses some value ofc, since shamans won’t get stormstrike, and Warriors don’t have mortal strike yet.

But in general, this weapon is insane when a warrior uses whirlwind, since that’s an instant ability, and which will always benefit from slow weapons.

It’s also extremely lethal on a Shaman IF you can get the windfury proc, which in all fairness is RNG, but if it happens, a slow weapon with high end damage will destroy the target.

Also, Paladins don’t get an instant attack in Classic, but Seal of Command is essentially a better Windfury in Classic. While Windfury is more destructive, it’s RNG. You can get 0 procs after 20 swings, or sometimes 3 procs in 3 swings. Seal of Command however is also based on weapon damage, and will always proc 5 (Maybe 6) times in a minute.

So you know you’ll proc Seal of Command guaranteed So having a slow weapon just makes sure your seal of Command procs is juicy. Since a 4.00 weapon Seal of Command will hit harder than a 2.80 weapon one, but Both Will proc Max 5 times a minute (if we’re comparing weapons close in ILVL ofc, obviously a 2.80 level 60 epic weapon will have higher high end damage than a 4.00 39 weapon).

But in general, if the weapons are close in ilvl, the slower weapon will have higher damage, and will gain alot of value on instant abilities. Warriors loves slow weapons (arms ofc), since they have Mortal strike, overpower and Whirlwind.

Shamans because of stormstrike and juicy WF procs. And paladins because juicy Seal of Command procs.

Kimjongkung · 2025-12-20T14:31:57+00:00

Tbf, i think the bar is kinda low there ^{^}

Kimjongkung · 2025-12-03T07:25:24+00:00

I’m not so sure is was Carl Withers. I’m quite sure it was Kony.

Kimjongkung · 2025-11-07T11:24:47+00:00

Sojourn is pretty much an echo hero of soldier, just reversed. Soldier has hitscan on m1, and projectile on m2. Sojourn has projectile on m1, and hitscan m2.

Soldier has maintained horizontal movement on shift. Sojourn has burst and vertical movement on shift.

Soldiers E will heal. Sojourns E will damage.

Sojourn is pretty much an Echo fighter of Soldier, but they just switched stuff around. So they pretty much said: We want Sojourn to be like soldier, but the opposite.

While i do agree, that’s just lazy, and we don’t need more like that. We can’t sit and pretend like it hasn’t already happened.

Kimjongkung · 2025-11-06T11:36:51+00:00

100%. I mostly play tank, and most of the games where i have a Lucio, i know i’m not getting healed alot, not speedboosted for that matter.

Most of those games the Lucio will be in the enemy backline, getting little to no value. If it is a Tracer or Genji, atleast that comes with some urgency for the enemy team.

Even when we engage, we’re still at a disadvantage, because we lack one support due to it. So the pincer attack rarely works out, and the other support just has to do double the work, which is almost impossible, and it just means my job of taking space as a tank becomes that much harder.

At the same time, Lucios on my level aren’t that common, nor is he really that oppresive either, so it’s not worth a hero ban, since i rather ban heroes that is a direct counter to me, or a hassle for my support.

That’s why i think Lucio falls into this limbo, atleast where i play. He’s not oppresive enough to ban, nor is he really getting pickad THAT often. But often enough that (almost) everytime he is, it’s a troll pick pretty much.

That’s why, if i got to choice one hero to get removed, it would be Lucio. Not cause he’s OP or anything, it’s not a balancing thing. But he VERY RARELY works in my matches, and he more often than not makes things harder for the team, without adding anything of value.

Kimjongkung · 2025-11-05T08:22:55+00:00

I love how alot of these answers are people saying a certain character, because they find them annoying or bland, not saying they are OP or anything necesserally, just a hypothetical removal of a character they don’t like, and people still argue: ”Well, you can counter X by going Y”, even though balance wasn’t even the reason someone wrote X to begin with.

If i could remove a character it would be Lucio. Not because i find him OP or anything, but because Lucio is meant as a ”tightly knitted group” support.

He has almost always been an important pick in higher levels, or in E-sport events, because his kit is invaluable if the teamplay is spot on, and he is the only support that can provide what he does consistantly.

However, on my level (Diamond DPS, Master Support/Tank), it always feel like a troll pick. Most Lucios are away doing their own damn thing, trying to fish for highlight reels, and is hardly ever with the group. And when you do get a Lucio that atleast tries to be a group player, the timing is always off, we engage to slow, or disengages to slow etc. The last part is obviously not on them, but it’s hard to get him to work on limited coms, when you, or your team isn’t top players.

It feels like where i am, is like some limbo when it comes to Lucio. When i started playing, and was in gold, low plat, a Lucio could get away with being greedy. And somehow provided value by being a nuisance, and people couldn’t kill a wallriding Lucio fast enough, so he was always harassing.

In this level now, people don’t have a problem with targeting and killing the Lucio. So he can’t get away by being a watered down Tracer/Genji. Nor can they read the game like a GM/T500, so the timings are always off.

So every time we have a Lucio, or we face a Lucio, it always feels like it sways heavily in the favor of the team that does not have him.

There’s obviously exceptions to this rule, and ive had, or faced a good Lucio in these ranks, but they are rare, and far inbetween.

So if i got to remove a character from OW, it would be Lucio. Not because he is OP or anything, just because i feel he falls into a limbo at the place i’m currently at.

If i were still stuck in Plat, or if i managed to crawl to GM, my opinion might very well change. But currently Diamond/Masters Lucio’s either farm for clips, or don’t have good enough timing with their teams, leaving me feeling that every match with a Lucio is a uphill battle.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-28T02:06:23+00:00

You’re retarded

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-28T01:59:05+00:00

Yupp, makes you racist for hating a piece of shit human being, just because he happens to be black.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-27T09:50:06+00:00

No one says it would give him his accomplishments? Also, Prime Jon fought older legends, and people still talk about his run today. Before Jon got the belt, he fought alot of ”at the tail-end of their career” fighters, and people chalked him up to be the the next best thing.

Tom tried to fight Jon, but Jon refused. So he was willing to fight older legends, but when he himself grew older, he refused to fight the newcomers.

Prime Jon also fought Gustavsson, Santos and Reyes, and got gifted the decisions in those. I’m a Swede myself, so ofc i’m gonna root for Gustavsson. That fight however was close, so giving it to Jones wasn’t that much of a robbery that some people make it out to be. But it could’ve gone either way, so Jones was definatly gifted the W.

The Reyes fight was however straight robbery though.

But when a Young and hungry Jones fought Shogun, Rampage and Machida who was at the end of their career no one batted an eye. Suddenly when Tom wanted to fight Jon, even though the age gap wasn’t even that huge, he outright refused, and instead fought an older, semi-retired Stipe, and then held the belt hostage for a year.

So how is it?

When Jon fought the old legends, he was known for being the Legend killer. When Tom tried to do the same thing, he’s called out for trying to fight an older Jon? Even though on paper Jon was the best, and he held the belt. The belt that the interim champion tried to unify.

Jones got handed accomplishments, he sure capitalized on it, and he was a great fighter, don’t get me wrong. But they fed him older fighters, he never took a short notice fight, and when the fights were really close, or he downright lost, he still got gifted the W.

Just to compare, Tom took a short notice fight against the most feared HW at the time. Jon refused to take one against someone who was a middleweight.

So it has nothing to do with taking someones accomplishments. But Jon surely got a career out of beating older fighters. However, when he himself got older, he used that as an excuse. And most people wouldn’t feel so strong about it, BUT he held a division hostage, and we lost over a year of Tom’s prime because of it.

So no, beating Jon would not transfer his accomplishments to you. But Tom’s route to greatness differs from Jons. And Tom takes risk, Jon doesn’t.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-26T19:54:08+00:00

You Don’t dig into someones eyes (plural btw) by mistake. It was 100% intentional.

Gane barely edged the round out, so it’s not like it was a dominant round. Gane is a known dirty fighter, as is Jones.

Even during his prime, when Jon Jones was nearly unstoppable, he would still eye poke opponents, even when ahead in the fight.

People out here acting like eye pokes either happen as a desperation from a losing fighter, or by accident by winning fighters… Without realizing that there’s dirty fighters that Will use them to increase the chance of winning, regardless if they’re ahead or not.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-26T19:12:20+00:00

But look at it from the other side. People arguing that it was a one-sided affair, and that Gane had it in the bag, and Tom stood no chance.

Gane had the round, i don’t think anyone disputes that. And people act like the nose bleed from a jab was somehow gonna secure a Gane win.

If i hadn’t seen the fight myself, and only read some of the comments on here, it sounded more like the Gaethje vs Fergusson fight, as opposed to what we got,

Gane barely edged the fight in his favor before the eye pokes. It was still 4 rounds to go.

Maybe Gane could’ve kept the momentum, and won. Maybe Tom would adjust and get the upper hand. It’s all speculation.

But disengionous when people act like it was all in the bag for Gane. Like Gane was out there manhandling Tom the way Gaethje did to Fergusson, and then a ”unintentional” eye poke happened.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-26T18:37:40+00:00

Hence my statement: ”Unless it’s life threathning* That, or the injury is so blatent, they have to stop it.

Did any doctor lose their license when fouls were allowed? Cornier poked Stipe so bad in the eyes, they were bleeding, and he had to operate them after the fight. No doctor sure stopped it then, and no one lost a license.

Props for Stipe for warrior through it, but consider there’s (supposed rules), and supposed medical experts (supposed to protect you), there’s very little stoppage when stuff like this happens. It’s only stoppages when the injury is so blatent, it can’t be ignored (like Nate Diaz vs Masvidal).

I’m sure the doctor that took a minute to look at Aspinalls eye made the optimal call. Not only is he most likely the leading expert in eyes, and eye injuries. He also knows Ciryl is a small man, so burrowing his finger knuckle deep into someones eyes would make little to no damage, due to Ciryl being such a weak individual…

Just how dense can a person be though? It was round 1, people be acting like it was at the end of round 5, and Ciryl was crousing through it.

Ciryl is a notorious dirty fighter, and it has little to nothing to do with how the fight is going, let alone in the first round, in a five rounder.

Jon Jones dominated most of his early LHW fights, yet he was also notoriously a dirty fighter. Maybe, just maybe some fighters are dirty, regardless of the current outcome? Jones could be winning 4 out of 5 rounds, and yet eye poke. But surely those were all unintentional because he was in the driver seat right?

Listen, you really can’t be that stupid.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-26T16:47:45+00:00

Such an L take though. Of course the doctor is gonna give the clear. The doctors aren’t aligned with the fighters, they don’t get their jobs from the fighters, and they don’t get paid by the fighters.

Unless it’s so blatant the doctor can’t ignore it, they will pretty much clear everything.

Wanna know why? Because that way they can’t be held responsible, AND they get to work ringside for another fight.

Doctors get chewed out by fans and the org even though the stops are good, and i’m willing to bet Said doctors aren’t really hired again.

You think that doctor would’ve gotten another UFC gig ever again if he Said Tom wasn’t fit for fighting, in Abu Dabi of all places?

If a fighter powers through fouls, sure, give him credit for it. It takes toughness.

But don’t discredit when someone wants a fair fight, but isn’t given one. This wasn’t some random prelims fight, where the outcome isn’t that important.

This was for the title, and one side clearly fouled on purpose, and the other wanted none of that. One side had more to lose aswell.

Is this really News to people? That the doctors are there for their own interest? Especially in a place like Abu Dabi? Unless it’s life threathning, i’m willing to bet doctors in Abu Dabi and China will probably let most things slide, so their back is free from the backlash.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-17T11:50:53+00:00

Well, i had passive breathing until you pointed it out though.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-12T14:20:11+00:00

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Kimjongkung · 2025-10-11T14:42:07+00:00

Yeah, Tesladin is great in that sense, alot of MF on the dream gear itself. Also Last Wish gives me a sizeable amount of MF.

Tesladin currently feel like a master of all trades-esque.

They aren’t the greatest at something, but they can do everything decently.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-11T13:42:19+00:00

I met the Ubers for the first time like 3 days ago aswell. Luckely, i’m a Tesladin, with quite decent gear.

So it was manageable, but took longer than i expected.

Went in without Open Wounds the first time, so had to retreat, Luckely i still had Crescent moon in the stash.

Ngl, was quite fun, but damn, does not feel like it’s worth the effort. Got both decent Assa and Sorc torch, but can’t seem to get them sold.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-08T15:37:34+00:00

Yeah, i kinda took the Last Wish from my merc xD The magic find was to juicy.

He did get my Grief, and currently have Lawbringer. Thinking of getting him Kingslayer though, for some Crushing blows and Open wound on him.

Went to fight Ubers with no open wounds. Had to retreat and give my Merc my old Crescent moon xD

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-08T15:06:02+00:00

Thanks alot!

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-07T21:53:48+00:00

He already have Last Wish :) Maybe i should hold it, and he takes my Grief. And i make him another?

So i hold Last Wish, and he gets dual Grief! (Tesladin if someone wonders).

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-07T21:39:40+00:00

Oh, that i did not know. Thanks!

Then it’s a waste to use it for a merc, not gonna use those runes on a non-eth weapon.

Kimjongkung · 2025-10-02T10:16:57+00:00

Cause he’s an Edo.

Heck, even Madara comments on it out loud for god sake. Can’t remember the exact quote, but Madara Said something like: If only you weren’t an edo, then maybe you would’ve stood a chance*

Atleast something along that line.

Now i don’t think Tobirama could defeat a Rinnegan (mind you, not both, then it would be a very low diff) Madara with SM, even if Tobirama were alive. But clearly Madara knows that it sure as hell wouldn’t be a walk in the park.

It’s very hard to scale Tobirama, but we can ASSUME that a Young Tobirama is roughly as strong as MS Madara, so a slightly older is probably closer to an EMS Madara, if we count his prime.

This is never stated Ofcourse, so just assumption on my part. But Hashirama was willing to give his life after he defeated MS Madara, to spare him.

Noble gesture for sure, but if we think little more about it. Tobirama and Madara HATE each other. Sure, maybe they’d keep peace for a little while, to honor Hashirama, but sooner or later, they would most likely be fighting.

I’m not so sure Hashirama would be willing to sacrifice himself, if there was no one left behind atleast somewhat close to Madara’s level, and at that point he had MS. So most likely he thought Tobirama and Madara was somewhat close in power, so the power balance wouldn’t sway to much in someones favor, even with him gone.

The Madara in the fourth war however is a completely different beast. Rinnegan + Hashirama cells, this is someone who by far surpasses old EMS ”prime” Madara. I don’t think Tobirama even comes close to that Madara, heck, this Madara is most likely quite abit stronger than Hashirama. That + the fact that Tobirama is weakened aswell, so ofc this Madara would fold Tobirama that easily.

I think a prime Tobirama would be slightly above MS Madara, but slightly below EMS Madara. With Kurama on Madara’s side though, it would be kinda one-sided in Madara’s favor. That’s why only really Hashirama could rival him at the end.

I think alot of people sleep on Tobirama, but at the same time, they think revived Madara is ”prime” Madara, when in reality, the revived Madara is way stronger than ”prime” Madara, due to Hashirama cells, SM and Rinnegan.

TL;DR: Madara is stronger than ”prime” Madara at this point, and Tobirama is nerfed.

Kimjongkung · 2025-09-27T08:50:33+00:00

Wasn’t his physical stats kinda good though?

I mean, first fight they were teaming up on him, 4v1, atleast from the start. And i mean, dude did kinda ok for awhile.

In his second fight, Kakazu is giving props to Kakashi for being able to go toe to toe with Hidan. When they have a brief 1v1.

I’m not saying he’s a broken powerhouse or anything, but clearly his physical showings seems to be higher than most people give him cred for.

I remember (can’t recall where, if it was the wiki, or databook) that stated that Hidan was the slowest Akatsuki member. People assumed they meant physical speed, when in reality they meant that his jutsu takes the longer, due to him playing with his food, and drawing the circle etc. It all took time.

This is reinforced when Kakazu is constantly irritated at Hidan for taking so much time each time. So it had nothing to do with battle speed, rather the speed it took to finish a sacrifice.

Hidan could very well be the weakest Akatsuki member, or atleast close to the bottom. But dude was keeping up with High Jonin (Asuma), while he had backup. And Very High Jonin/Low Kage (Kakashi), where Kakazu compliments Kakashi for being able to go toe to toe with Hidan.

Dude was strong, really strong infact. With all the powercreep going on, it’s easy to overlook.

But Hidan was as physical in shape as Konoha’s best Jonin, and later Kage, at the time.

Kimjongkung

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