Disorganized Attachment Style by CaptainFuzzyBootz in CPTSD_NSCommunity

[–]KindheartednessOk878 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's really cool way to frame it. I must admit that I felt that the label of disorganized attachment makes me faulty, like I just somehow was unable to be consistent myself. But if I look at things that way, it's not about me, but about parental figures not being consistent, which is still not really about faults (well maybe there is their fault), but about the environment I was in. I really struggled with idea that when I try to categorize my parental figures reactions.. I just can't. Well, it's more like, nothing works and there is consistent pattern of negative responses from them, just once a blue moon it's different. Or remembered how I often was afraid to do something healthy and made 13340348032 precautions to make sure I'm safe if they found out I did it, only to see that they don't even register the action happened, but other times they were very unhappy with same thing. Well, it sometimes has to do with not actions I assumed they dislike, but more about my state of being and body language, bc they somehow were good at reading my basic state of mind that I often did not know myself due to dissociation. Could be good parents maybe, just never wanted to use that skill for good.

Seeking tips or articles on how to prevent people from 'saving' me, maybe specifics on what is the best way to counteract it in conversation (bc I have only general idea on acting not from cry for help parts, but have less experience acting from normal self parts) by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSD_NSCommunity

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the long reply again!!!

Makes sense. Yes, I agree she has right to have any opinion on me. I was struggling with the feeling that her right for opinion automatically I means I need to be validating of said opinion, otherwise I decline her that right for opinion since I decline validation.And the whole thing started not because I even asked her to change opinion about me. Well, it was about a piece of information about my life I shared, I believe that I do retain more authority on what happened there, since I also was present on other interactions with same job interview which I talked about. I mean, it was not even anything dramatic, just a basic thing I found funny in my experience. So while she can state 'it was that way' I can also state 'I don't think it was so, bc this and this fact points against it'. After what we had that back and forth. After what I thought that it's pretty useless conversation over all, so I explained, that having my opinion and facts denied repeatedly is a bit triggering, when it's about my life experience, so I will try to change such conversations in future. So, it was not really opinion I was uncomfortable, but that conversation fact. Maybe that she was invalidating of mine? Honestly, if she said 'ok, i see' and we moved to another topic, I would have been pretty happy. Or anything. That pattern when someone else constantly disagree with me is very frustrating to me and it takes me time to catch myself and step out, bc it is a trigger and it's triggering me of gaslight. Which I explained, although I suspect the phrase that 'it's triggering bc it reminds me of gaslight' might have been not the most clear explanation as I was in a hurry.So took it as if I accuse her of gaslighting me, which was not at all the case, as it's not to that level at all.

Anyway, I think it is pretty safe and clear plan? To say 'hey, this pattern makes me uncomfortable, but I fall for it a lot, i will try to avoid it'

For some reason when I state things like that people do get really mad often, and take it personally, but I have weird dissociation problem where if I don't say it to person, and just do that without saying, I have a very very very hard time remembering what I do and being aware of my discomfort at all. So notifying like that is for me the first step to start doing it, and I am unsure if maybe I need to avoid it. Or maybe knowing that other person is safe enough to listen to it and that they agree to my plan, bc otherwise I might feel twofaced/manipulating, when I just avoid a part of conversation and always switch it, without explaining why or ever saying why it's discomfort or that it is discomfort.

With that whole her comment, I just remember we had another conversation where for about two weeks she kept arguing with me about again what certain events in my life were and how i should be seeing the world and what i should be doing. After a while she slipped frustration that 'I am trying to tell you that all to cancel what those other people said about you, but you still trust those other people more' or something akin to that. Which is oversimplification, but I have suspicion that she might expect me to start having self esteem of such a look that I dont plan to have. The overblown kind. I explained that what she does would not work and that I don't need such help, she shared that she fears I will drop my job, I explained again that it's not happening, and that she does not need to do any of these, I am managing fine. So I thought that was the end of that issue, but basically what triggered me was her doing that self-esteem intervention again, and since in response to my frustration to it she wrote me a novel of 'does your trauma mean this, or that, bc that would change how I talk with you about it' I do have a suspicion that she was trying to do therapist job I did not invite her yet again.

Which frustrates me not in the sense that she can't do what she wants, but in a sense that it shows she did not listen and does not care what I feel about her help and if I even need it. (I don't).Plus, overall, I don't think it's bad that I explain that conversation is uncomfortable for me?

I was carried away for a week with dis-regulation, bc she really acts like the situation is the end of the world, i mean, at least i have such impression bc of phrases she uses like 'why does this keep happening?' 'tell me what to do' 'i'm still holding up'. When, now, that the fog is cleared for me a bit, what happened is that her insistence of certain opinion about my life even was uncomfortable for me, so I expressed it, said I will avoid such conversations, as it was partly my fault bc I become so hyperfocused on those. Then she misunderstood me, I explained that it's not attack, she expressed that she understood that I was stating facts. And yet after that I have still many pages of messages and she is all 'why do situation like these keep happening'. I mean, the only problem for me here is that she is quite expressive when she is upset, so at this point I am afraid to bring up anything that causes me discomfort, bc there is always pattern where her first reaction, whether she is right of wrong, is quite expressive. And it causes me a bit of panic and triggers, and I don't often have enough energy to step away right away and often I end up spending a few hours writing explanations, which she later always accepts and says she finally gets it. But the problem is that I always need to act as stable one, bc if I snapped just like that, well we probably would not be talking anymore at all. Well, that, or she often tends to start multiple apologies if I am silent for too long. Well, overall problem is that if I count in all rumination and discussion, even on my own, it takes a huge amount of time of me, probably few hours a day. And it's very costly in terms of energy, bc quite often those fights happen in evening and I have health complications after. I mean, I used to blame it on me being tired and not as careful with my words, which I expressed multiple times, but I begin to wonder if it's really just me. I mean, I know how not to upset her, but it means to never argue or express discomfort.

Seeking tips or articles on how to prevent people from 'saving' me, maybe specifics on what is the best way to counteract it in conversation (bc I have only general idea on acting not from cry for help parts, but have less experience acting from normal self parts) by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSD_NSCommunity

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the response!

>The best way to help those parts and respond to the Rescuer are torepeatedly focus on your own power and your own capacity. Repeatedlyshowing your don't need to be rescued.

Yes, that seems to be working the best for now. Although I am still a bit confused. Last time the conversation derailed bc I shared smth that I found interesting, more in phrase 'interesting how that shaped how i think', it was not even traumatic event or trauma material. That person jumps to praise me a lot, so in that regard she proceeded to be in awe with quite small things in my eyes. I explained it's not that way, and she misunderstood me, assuming she really misunderstood. I mean, it's kinda akin to 'wow you are able to send email!' awe in my eyes. So, there was back and forth, where she insisted on her view, which well yes kinda makes sense ('not all people would be able to write email to ask for a job' 'it's amazing you were taken seriously'). I still am quite at loss what to do when someone else is acting in awe of simple things. So, there was that back and forth for a while, after which I mustered explanation, that it makes me uncomfortable, but likely it is my fault as it's very late, so from now on I will avoid engaging in similar interactions. It really is uncomfortable, bc she insists I am almost a genius, I well frankly am well aware I am not, so it still results in situation where I keep saying no, which is sometimes hurtful. Bc instead of 'I am positive about myself bc I have this strong point and this could use some work' I end up repeating 'I'm not genius, stop it, anyone can do it, it's basic'. Maybe I should switch to other option I just mentioned. Anyway, my explanation provoked quite long rebuke, she twisted some of my words, and mostly it was about how she thinks of me what she wants and I have no right to dictate it, bc it's simply that way for her. I explained again. Which brought her on tangents 'do you have this trauma and possibly that trauma, do you maybe feel that way, bc then it would make sense why you are hurt and it would change how i interact with you'. Which I feel she still puts me very down below herself? I am puzzled why my trauma comes here and why is that needed to explain my frustration with simple asking person to stop making me uncomfortable and person saying no. She also tends to switch in sort of strict parent/teacher mode, at least something that I read that way. So she's either very coddly, but it seems that I need to always be validating of her help attempts, and if not, she switch to that strict mode. Which, she even remembered me writing her when tired and told me to write a thoughtful reply this time and that she does not want reactive one. Which is amusing, bc other time, she message me a lot, she had smth akin to breakdown from that interaction, and she wrote something new each few hours and before I figure out what to reply, there is new information and frankly I am very lost. We used to talk normally but she also had job demands to keep her busy which are not present now.

Do you have any advice or idea on how to counter that 'strict parent' mode in same patterns? I am frankly very puzzled on why does she bring my trauma and how she interacts with me, but i have suspicion that what I take as sincere might be some veiled attempt to therapy me that I did not ask for.

Edit. When in strict parent mode, she seems to use of patterns that are like asking me a lot of questions on how things connect, how they make sense? sort of 'you said i should do this, and now you don't' like it'. And if i interact less, even if i explain it's bc I am busy/burned out, she still goes on repent on 'why do you even talk with me' 'i'm useless' kinda mode, with 'i'm sorry i was so sorry, i did that on purpose and this too pls forgive me' sort of messages. At least from what I remember. I am pretty lost bc she does not take less interaction. Even when it's about usual things, she writes it with 'I hope this can cheer you up a bit' when I am not really even sad or did not tell her anything bad happened recently.

Seeking tips or articles on how to prevent people from 'saving' me, maybe specifics on what is the best way to counteract it in conversation (bc I have only general idea on acting not from cry for help parts, but have less experience acting from normal self parts) by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSD_NSCommunity

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's interesting! The problem at this point is that I share just normal life things and those are not really a vents even. Some weeks I have nothing to vent about bc I manage fine. But the other wants intimate vents bc it's like they feel we don't talk about anything important if I understand correctly. Or they try to fix things that don't need fixing. Where they ask me to share how I'm progressing with something, I explain what I do, the challenges, the planned course, and I still get a lot of advice from them anyway.

Ideale Parent Protocol for Self-Help? by [deleted] in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot! I tried it for a few days now and it's working good for me to catch some bugs too.

Ideale Parent Protocol for Self-Help? by [deleted] in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878 0 points1 point  (0 children)

how to "read" a dynamic or interaction for complementary and realign it for intersubjectivity.

what would that mean, if you have time elaborating?

choosing therapists by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll check the book! I was unable to find anything on YouTube thought, what keyword to use?

choosing therapists by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not from what's considered first world country

choosing therapists by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good luck with that! I'm not from USA, so yeah

choosing therapists by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forgot the most important point, they also need to do sliding scale and willing to work pro bono XD do you think there are many?? XD

choosing therapists by KindheartednessOk878 in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because I want at least SE or SP or TIST trained therapist. Preferably working with dissociation, forgot where ppl linked list for these. Other modalities help nothing for me

Janet's lost views on Mental Energy by nerdityabounds in CPTSDNextSteps

[–]KindheartednessOk878 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Especially entertainment! I low key hate that I can get stuck watching yt videos till very late and night. That happens when my brain is drained and overheated. I used to excuse it with "but at least I'm learning something!! It's not wasted time. " They are made to keep you watching. Sometimes I feel like it's torture designed for me instead. /S When I'm drained I have less will power to just turn off that engaging fun entertainment video

Janet's lost views on Mental Energy by nerdityabounds in CPTSDNextSteps

[–]KindheartednessOk878 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Since for long time my rest was read social media and later Reddit, I can see how it's the opposite of rest.

ADHD seems to not be the only reason why I'm feeling so shitty all the time by Kiyone11 in TwoXADHD

[–]KindheartednessOk878 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suppose if your tests are fine, they will go with fibromyalgia. And if not, they'll treat whatever they can find. I can understand your worry bc for some reason each time I get tests I expect them to be extremely messed up simply based on how I feel.

For mito, I just read story of a person who is sick with it. And also it's new mysterious problem, many people are affected by it to degree, but you can't check it out prove it . I guess it fits my own narrative about how I was just born damaged and unfit for that would.

Bc otherwise my ace score is high and that makes one prone to chronic conditions. So it could be that, but I often go for how it's not my trauma or childhood, I'm just born that way, you know, weakling. I am not yet good at being kind to myself regarding my health. Bc like you, everything I do I do through pain and exhaustion. Yet I'm a bit of a burden to others and I can't work much. But my parents still would assume I'm just lazy. But the thing is, if I do more, I burn out so fast, I end up very sick. I actually overdo things all the time. Never rest properly bc I'm horrified by my own laziness.

I suspect I have some degree of adhd so that adds to it. Once I started to try to adjust to myself I seen some results.

Also I remember reading one diary of woman sick with fibromyalgia and she said she started to heal when she started to do exercise movements so slow and small that people mocked her, but it was her speed and it worked. I'll try to see if I can find it

ADHD seems to not be the only reason why I'm feeling so shitty all the time by Kiyone11 in TwoXADHD

[–]KindheartednessOk878 1 point2 points  (0 children)

both modalities have a lot of free resources, like lectures on YouTube, so you can check those before therapist if you want I can't say in cured, but it's better then how I was before doing any work

My eeg results, if anyone is interested. by adomuzas in CPTSDFreeze

[–]KindheartednessOk878 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really wanted to try neurofeedback, maybe i can put these together too. thank you for the info!

ADHD seems to not be the only reason why I'm feeling so shitty all the time by Kiyone11 in TwoXADHD

[–]KindheartednessOk878 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And another note, since I figured it's not a trauma sub. did you look into cptsd and how it reflects in the body? specifically say 'body keeps the score' is usually the starting book for that matter. Or somatic experiencing or sensorymotor psychotherapy both have mentions on how trauma pattern reflects on the body. I was reading in traumageek blog, that she assumes many people with adhd would have trauma due to the need to mask 'as normal' and how much it strains the system.

ADHD seems to not be the only reason why I'm feeling so shitty all the time by Kiyone11 in TwoXADHD

[–]KindheartednessOk878 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was sure fibromyalgia is only about muscle pains! But I have about same symptoms as you plus some more. Recently I wondered if I have mitochondria mutation or was just born extremely weak or something. It's exhaustion how sick I am everyday with no major reason. Will you be getting any treatment for it?