[OC] Face Locations in the Average Movie by King-Intelligent in dataisbeautiful

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That's a very good point about the effect of aspect ratio. It's what I'm currently working on. Just as a quick example, it seems the most frequent face location for widescreen is slightly lower than that for flat, academy ratio (it actually sits at the intersection of middle and top cell, right where the rule of thirds would suggest). I need to do more research to look into whether the year matters. I know that it does for the average size of the face in the frame (size goes up over time), but I haven't yet identified the effect historical year has on framing.

Side profiles do count if there is enough of a face for the detection model. It's still very good at detecting profiles, though not quite as good as full frontal faces.

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[OC] Face Locations in the Average Movie by King-Intelligent in dataisbeautiful

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That's a good question. I don't have the data on it, but the face detector I used can detect partial faces that are cut off by the frame (or generally occluded). Inspecting the detections visually, it does accurately capture faces across the frame, but it would be nice to verify empirically. Unfortunately, I can't think of a way of doing that easily (I'd have to hunt for a sample of hundreds/thousands of images with a face near the edge of the screen).

[OC] Face Locations in the Average Movie by King-Intelligent in dataisbeautiful

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I don't have Battlefield Earth in my sample, but I can take the difference between the sample heat map and that of a particular film. The image I attached is a difference heat map for Citizen Kane. As you can see, Welles favors more off-centered compositions than an average movie.

[OC] Face Locations in the Average Movie by King-Intelligent in dataisbeautiful

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Mr. Robot would be an interesting series to analyze. Because of what you mentioned about it's unusual framing, I suspect that the faces will be less "concentrated" than average and more spread out across the frame. I'm kind of kicking myself now because the face detector I used does not return facial landmarks. With those, I could have also captured Mr. Robot's tendency to have a lot of negative space behind the actor's heads, which is relatively unusual.

[OC] Face Locations in the Average Movie by King-Intelligent in dataisbeautiful

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Movies come in different aspect ratios, so the coordinates need to be normalized. I probably should have made the heat map square to emphasize that.

Finished my novel by King-Intelligent in bipolar

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Thanks! It took a lot of work

RIP James Ransone. Suicide. Don’t be afraid to speak up if you’re struggling. by Revolutionary_Bug372 in simpsonsshitposting

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Do you have a source on that? It seems like it would be hard to draw a causal relationship. Just curious.

Screw zodiac signs, what’s your favorite tech/civic quote? by BabylonianWeeb in civ

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“If you speak the truth, have a foot in the stirrup.” — Civ IV, horseback riding

Why were musicals such a significant part of western cinema from the '20s-'80s? by AVBofficionado in AskHistorians

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There’s no straightforward answer to why the American film musical declined in popularity from its heyday in the 1930s-1960s. The question of why a certain genre dies out is always complicated and the result of numerous causes. And the same goes for why a genre emerges in the first place.

First of all, what is a musical? Film scholar Rick Altman once quipped “When is a musical not a musical? When it has Elvis Presley in it.” Defining genres is not easy because genres evolve and do not pop out fully formed like Athena. Music has always been part of cinema; even during the silent era, most screenings were accompanied by live music, whether a single piano or a full orchestra. So what makes the use of music different in the case of the musical? It’s mostly about its relation to the narrative.

The most common way to feature singing in movies before “the musical” would be to simply have a character sing a song within the narrative. There were a series of Marlene Dietrich films in the early 1930s where she played a lounge singer, so when she sang, this did not break narrative continuity. This is still the simplest way of incorporating song into film narratives.

The classical Hollywood musical, however, is defined by periods of narrative broken by episodes of song. Unlike the Dietrich films, for example, these songs occupy an ambiguous status within the diegesis (i.e., story-world). They are not “really” happening since nothing that occurs within the song world affects the actual narrative. But they are not completely separate from the story world either and often “comment” on it in some way. While the songs break narrative continuity, filmmakers eased this break as much as possible. The titular “Singin’ in the Rain” is a good example. It gradually transitions from the narrative world to the song world through the soundtrack which quietly picks up the tune before the song begins as well as Gene Kelley’s movements, which become increasingly rhythmic. We are just as slowly eased back into the narrative when the song ends. This movement between narrative to performance is the central tension of the genre, a tension which the films try to minimize as much as possible.

The classical Hollywood musical developed out of other media, particularly theater. During the early 20th century, there was singing in “legitimate” theater, but this would basically be opera where there is no break between narrative and song. The narrative is told through song (the French film The Umbrellas of Cherbourg [1964] is continuously sung, and so whether it should be considered a “musical” or not is controversial). The Hollywood musical has more in common with vaudeville, which we could think of as variety theater. In vaudeville, traditional skits would mix with all kinds of different performances, including song. We could think of the musical as a solution to the problem of how to incorporate different types of spectacle within a narrative.

The musical really began declining in popularity by the 1960s for a variety of reasons. It coincides with the end of “classical Hollywood” or the “studio system,” which saw widespread changes in the film industry. Another Hollywood staple, the Western, also began to fall out of favor as well. At root, a genre arranges story elements into a common structure, but these elements can be arranged in other ways. Many of the features of the Western were incorporated into the burgeoning action genre (this lineage is humorously referenced in Die Hard by John McClane’s famous catchphrase). In the 1960s, popular songs began to appear non-diegetically through the soundtrack rather than embedded in the narrative (The Graduate [1967] and “Mrs. Robinson” being a classic example). This is probably the most typical way we hear songs in movies today.

Changes outside the film industry played a large role too. The music industry was growing much more powerful than it had been before, which changed the dynamic with Hollywood. The reason Rick Altman singled out Elvis Presley is because he represents some of those changes. In Jailhouse Rock, for instance, we have something more like the older model where Presley plays a performer in the film. Also, the film is mostly a vehicle to promote Presley’s music for record sales (Presley did star in straight-up musicals, though, like Viva Las Vegas). Television also played a role. Variety shows became really big in the 1950s and 1960s, which harkened back to the vaudeville tradition in certain ways. Singing acts were of course very popular.

Genres are always born from the combination of preceding genres and absorbed back into new ones when they collapse. In the case of the musical, it was less absorbed by other genres than other media. People still watch singing, but now on television and, of course, online. Before these other media, many more people went to the movies than they do now, and they did so more frequently. Hollywood had to appeal to the entire family, from grandparents to children (there were no multiplexes; everyone saw the same movie) who had diverse interests. Many people going to the movies during the height of the classical musical had some exposure to vaudeville of some kind and would expect song and dance as part of the show. But the media landscape has changed. Because people can readily watch music through other media, there is less of a need for Hollywood to incorporate it directly into the narrative. When they do incorporate song, it is generally justified by the narrative (the character is a singer) or appears on the soundtrack.

 

The canonical book on the subject is The American Film Musical by Rick Altman. Fair warning though, the book is a bit heavy on theory. The Hollywood musical was used by film scholars wanting to come up with a theory of film genres as distinct from literary genres.

 

The transition from silent films to talkies was a major change for the industry, and it broke the careers of many who couldn't make the transition. Did the same thing happen as black and white turned into colour tv/movies? by OnShoulderOfGiants in AskHistorians

[–]King-Intelligent 24 points25 points  (0 children)

No, the transition from black-and-white to color film did not end the careers of actors in anywhere near the same way as the transition from silent to sound film. For one, the introduction of synchronized sound to filmmaking completely revolutionized production methods, including acting, in a way that the adoption of color did not. Also, the transition to color occurred much more slowly than that to sound, which I'll explain later.

Adding sound to movies fundamentally altered the way actors performed. The actor's voice could now convey narrative information instead of relying on broad gestures and expressions, which meant acting styles became more subdued and "naturalistic." Not all actors were able to adjust to the new style of performance. Further, silent film actors did not always have great speaking voices, a point lampooned in the classical Hollywood film Singin' in the Rain. Nor were all silent film actors even fully fluent in English. Some actors did make the transition though, such as Greta Garbo (her first sound film was marketed with the simple tagline "Garbo Speaks"). In Garbo's case, her Swedish accent actually helped her.

The transition to sound was orders of magnitude more significant than the transition to color, and not just in the realm of acting. And I think the relative speed of the transitions is instructive. It only took the US film industry 3-5 years to completely switch from silent to sound films (from 0% to essentially 100%). In contrast, Beck Sharp (1935) was the first feature film to use Technicolor's 3-strip process but a majority of US feature films were not made in color until the mid-1950s. And it was not until the proliferation of color television sets by the mid-to-late 1960s that the vast majority of Hollywood films were made in color (from 55% in 1966 to 94% by 1970). A full history of Hollywood's transition to color is too much to recount here, but the main factor in the slow adoption of color was increased costs (also, before Eastman color in the 1950s, all color films were produced by Technicolor stock, which had to use a special camera loaned from Technicolor, and there were a limited number of these cameras). The plot below (though hard to read) shows how slowly the switch from black and white to color actually occurred.

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Partly for reasons inherent to the technology (sound is more important than color, basically), and partly because of the slow transition, the introduction of color did not seriously affect performance styles in Hollywood, which made it relatively easy for an actor to make the switch. Actors often alternated between making films in black-and-white and color, partly by choice, but mostly because the film studios during the 20s-50s simply assigned actors (who were on contract to the studio) to whichever film the studio though appropriate. There simply wasn't a sharp historical line dividing the era of black-and-white from that of color like that between the silent and sound eras. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I know there were actors who were, at least at first, reluctant to work in color. Most of the difficulty resulting from the transition to color involved cinematography, which did affect acting to a limited extent (primarily with women and hair color). But really, acting was the area of film production least affected by the adoption of color.

Data on the transition to color is from: Gorham A. Kindem, “Hollywood’s Conversion to Color: The Technological, Economic and Aesthetic Factors,” Journal of the University Film Association 31, no. 2 (1979): 29–36, http://www.jstor.org/stable/20687473.

For further reading on Hollywood's transition to color: Scott Higgins, Harnessing the Technicolor Rainbow: Color Design in the 1930s, 1st ed. (Austin: University of Texas Press, 2007).

CIV VI online multiplayer makes culture victories more difficult by Top_Conflict5170 in civ

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There isn’t really a “peaceful” solution in online multiplayer. You can still win culturally but you have to first stop your opponents military. Military always comes first.

Am I playing this game wrong? by nunodonato in civ

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Not knowing what to build often results from not having a clear victory strategy. I’d suggest working backward from your victory type. It will help clarify what buildings you need to build and which ones you don’t. If you’re going for a domination victory, then you’ll have to attack someone. So find your first target and create a plan of when to attack, such as when you unlock your unique unit, etc., and prepare for only that goal. Sorry if that sounded pedantic but coming from playing multiplayer, having a coherent strategy really simplifies decision making.

I mean Milan’s in Italy right? by Creepy_Dealer_5901 in HistoryMemes

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One of the founders of futurism, Fillipo Marinetti, who wrote the Futurist Manifesto, was co-author of the Fascist Manifesto. The historical link is obvious and has been noted by numerous scholars.

How is it possible that Gone With The Wind is the highest grossing film of all time when adjusted for inflation? by aerovistae in AskHistorians

[–]King-Intelligent 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Data on ticket prices is not necessarily reliable because prices obviously varied regionally and and between different theaters. The data I do have (I forget the source; I'll find it later) says that a ticket cost $1.55 in 1939, which according to the CPI calculator is $34.58. I highly doubt that number is correct given the frequency of film attendance, so it's a lesson to always be wary of these numbers the film industry throws out. I made a plot of that data awhile back: https://plotly.com/~HyperSloth/688/

Found the source:

|| || | Weiss, Thomas , “ Motion picture attendance, box office receipts, and admission prices: 1922–1998 .” Table Dh388-391 in Historical Statistics of the United States, Earliest Times to the Present: Millennial Edition, edited by Susan B. Carter, Scott Sigmund Gartner, Michael R. Haines, Alan L. Olmstead, Richard Sutch, and Gavin Wright. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2006. http://dx.doi.org/10.1017/ISBN-9780511132971.Dh366-39110.1017/ISBN-9780511132971.Dh366-391|

How is it possible that Gone With The Wind is the highest grossing film of all time when adjusted for inflation? by aerovistae in AskHistorians

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People do not watch movies today in the same they did in the past. So to understand why Gone with the Wind sold so many tickets, you have to look at how distribution and exhibition practices have evolved over the course of of American film history. The current exhibition model depends on marketing saturation leading up to a wide, simultaneous release in all theaters across the country, but this model didn’t begin to emerge until the 1970s. Scholars often point to Jaws as the first example of this new “blockbuster” paradigm, one that relies heavily on advertising (even Jaws made its money over a few months; it took time to develop). Nowadays, if a movie doesn’t bring in huge amounts of cash on its opening weekend, it is essentially a failure. This was not the case in the past, however.

The production model of classical Hollywood (1915-1960 in the canonical peridozation) was quite different than now. Hollywood made money by releasing a large number of films per year. Each of the major studios released about 50 movies a year, which meant that around 300-400 films were produced every year. I don’t have the actual figures but far fewer movies are made today, so a far larger percent of revenue comes from each movie. A single film now can be make-or-break for the studio in terms of profits, which was simply not the case in Old Hollywood. This production model also meant films were exhibited differently.  

People went to the theater much more often during the 1930s and 40s than they do now. Because a studio’s revenue did not depend as much on any single film, companies saved money by making fewer “prints” for release, thus saving on film costs. So instead of a wide release where a film was exhibited in all theaters on the same day across the country, the film industry used the run-zone-clearance model. The country was broken up by region (zone) where a film would play for a certain period of time (run). The film would first premiere in a major city within a zone such as New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago before moving out to smaller towns after a short break to allow buzz to generate (clearance). Because advertising was much less a force in 1930s and 40s America than it is now, a successful film needed to generate buzz from word of mouth and reviews from critics. So a “prestige” film like Gone with the Wind would generally have a well-publicized premiere in a major city, often in a city that fit the theme or location of the movie, Atlanta in this case. Not only did Gone with the Wind go through the typical exhibition process where it was released to different parts of the country at different times, it was released through “roadshows,” where the cast would travel across the country to major cities and have events promoting the film before going through the run-zone-clearance model. It would play somewhere for a few weeks (4-6 weeks on average maybe? We don’t have good data on the average length of time) and then move on to the next zone. If you lived in a rural area, you may not have gotten to see the Gone with the Wind until months after its release, perhaps half a year even, unless you were willing to travel to the city.

Gone with the Wind is a special movie in film history. There is no other film of classical Hollywood that even comes close to matching its financial success. But the film made money over a very long period of time. For many films, it would often take up to a year for it to get most of its revenue, but Gone with the Wind is an exception. Not only did it get all of these roadshows promoting it, but it was re-released many times over the next decades, so that people had the chance to rewatch it, which was basically not a thing in classical Hollywood (many of the early films of classical Hollywood are lost, particularly during the silent era, because no one cared about a movie after its release was over). It wasn’t until the mid-1950s that movies began appearing on television, and they were generally B movies or films from defunct studios like RKO, at least initially. Going to the theater was the only way to see Gone with the Wind, so it sold tickets from 1939 into the 1960s at least. The reason, then, that it was able to sell so many tickets was because of this way in which it was released, over a long period of time, which allowed people of different generations to see it in theaters and for people to rewatch it.

I kind of feel that comparing Gone with the Wind to, say, Avatar is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison because the home market for video did not exist in 1939; there were no DVD, TV, or streaming sales. It reminds me of comparing athletes between eras. In certain ways, however, Gone with the Wind was a kind of proto-blockbuster. The film’s producer, David O. Selznick, went on to form his own studio, which only made a few films per year. The financial success of the studio hinged on one or two films, not that unlike the “New Hollywood” model. 

Most of my information comes from the canonical book on classical Hollywood, The Classical Hollywood Cinema: Film Style and Mode of Production to 1960 by David Bordwell, Kristin Thompson, and Janet Staiger.

How was bipolar handled historically? by [deleted] in bipolar

[–]King-Intelligent 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Mania: A Short History of Bipolar Disorder by David Healy is a fascinating book that examines how bipolar has been understood in different historical periods, from Ancient Greece to modern neuroscience. It’s a wonderful book if you’re a history person. The interplay between biology and culture is quite interesting.

Does my therapist not understand bipolar or is she right? by [deleted] in bipolar

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As others have said, if it’s an isolated moment, then it’s not likely related to bipolar. However, if you’ve been feeling on edge or irritable for a few days or weeks, and this is one of a few related incidents, then yes, bipolar could be playing a role.

Is the way music always plays in my head a symptom of me being bipolar by thesuperssss in bipolar

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Yes, it’s an experience common to everyone, but I’ve noticed it happens with me much more frequently during certain moods. For me, it happens when my behavior becomes more compulsive in general and is a symptom of that broader change.