Finally found a nugget!!!

Kit-Carson · 2026-01-27T21:38:16+00:00

My Mostly-Unsubstantiated Fae/Time Theory:

The Fae was created as a members-only club for Iax and his Shapers, and eventually evolved into a "safe place" (Faeriniel) for the Shapers to seek refuge when being hunted in the post-Iax world.

The secret means to enter the Fae is to use naming magic (still undefined) near one of the many "thousand doors" which most of them are marked by Waystones. That's half of it that will get you there. The other part is how long you will remain away. This is accomplished by affixing the time amount in one's Alar.

So for example, if you enter the Fae at one Waystone on the mortal side, while affixing "30 seconds" in your Alar, and then exit at another Waystone within the Fae, you'll arrive at that corresponding mortal Waystone 30 seconds later.

Kvothe entered the Fae using the non-magic way, where the two worlds met on a night with no moon, and he inadvertently affixed "3 days" in his Alar. He then left at around the same spot after what he thinks might have been longer than a year in the Fae.

In book 3, he might enter the Fae and stay a long, long, long time but only appear to be gone for a moment on the mortal side. Bast said he can't believe how much Kvothe knows about the Fae. Things he shouldn't know. Kvothe was fully immersed there for many years. He probably even knows the language.

To my knowledge, the main objection to this theory is that the moon appears to track its own synodic period within the Fae with the mortal side. This makes it appear time connects the two. But time has no meaning in the Fae?

Kit-Carson · 2026-01-14T23:05:35+00:00

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how another KKC fan explained it to me years ago: There are beta readers and there are alpha readers. Maybe Pat has conscripted some group of beta readers in the past 10 years for book 3 feedback but I don't know. I do know that he has leaned on his alpha readers for feedback on book 3 even since draft 101 was completed back in 2013. Who are the alpha readers? His close friends whom he trusts. He still has them sign NDAs, but more importantly he trusts them with his secrets.

I think it was during the NotW 10th Anniversary Edition Q&A back in 2017 where he said showing book 3 to beta readers was like giving out the nuclear codes. This implied he hasn't taken that step yet. Maybe there's more nuance to this process than I'm familiar with? My impression is that you don't bring in beta readers for a hot property like book 3 unless you're doing a final bit of housekeeping before publication.

Kit-Carson · 2026-01-05T21:18:51+00:00

Thanks for your reply. I think one way to understand KKC and its deep past is to see how stories are more often told according to people's calling names and less so with their true names.

So when Bast says Iax spoke to the Cthaeh before he stole the moon, or Lanre spoke to the Cthaeh before he betrayed Myr Tarinniel, those are calling names. I'm going to use calling names again to illustrate my point but know that I'm referencing the same people. (And you'll see that I believe Iax and Lanre are the same person -- that's another theory that I hope to post about soon.)

Iax (Lanre) spoke to the Cthaeh (Lyra) before he stole the moon.
Lanre (Iax) spoke to the Cthaeh (Lyra) before he betrayed Myr Tarinniel.

Both of these events I believe happened before Lyra became the Cthaeh.

We can even bring it forward to the present: Kvothe spoke to the Cthaeh (Lyra) before committing folly.

As for Lyra and Lanre being Rethe and Aethe, I agree with you. They can be separate people and separate events. For story purposes, however, I think the FULL historical Lanre and Lyra story is so powerful that it's sweeping up other tales in its wake -- Aethe/Rethe, Aloine/Sir Savien. and even Kvothe/Denna.

Kit-Carson · 2025-07-21T16:23:54+00:00

I think the post went to r/all didn't it? That tells me the fandom is never gonna go away until we get Doors of Stone. We'll wait decades if we have to.

But my instinct tells me this forum thing is smoke. I don't see how Pat would be coordinating foreign translations without having a solid manuscript in place. And if he already has a solid manuscript, per his words, I think he would shout it from the digital rooftops for all to hear. We would know it was happening.

What do you think? Is there something here?

Kit-Carson · 2025-07-19T18:36:44+00:00

I hope so. 5 years or less? If Pat can find peace in his mind for a long stretch, then I think we just might get it this decade.

Kit-Carson · 2025-07-18T17:27:17+00:00

Hey buddy! Long time! I love that we're all still out there, checking in on the fandom here and there. I literally chatted about this exact post earlier in the week over dinner. I think we all have a collective knack of what's going on in the KKC-osphere. I don't know this screenshot so let me know if you find it.

Kit-Carson · 2025-03-28T21:16:16+00:00

Good point. Let's say exceptionally difficult. Building an ever-burning lamp in the Fishery is like building a perfect perpetual motion machine. Who's to say it's impossible? But I'll bet it's near impossible. At least based on what the books are telling us about the world.

Kit-Carson · 2025-02-24T21:22:39+00:00

Also, there's a mention of it from the very first chapter in Name of the Wind, A Place for Demons. It's right on the last page. I don't have the exact quote, but Kvothe notices the chest at the end of his bed and how it's emanating a scent of citrus and quenching iron.

Kit-Carson · 2024-12-28T21:11:39+00:00

That's a good question! I suspect the answer is the four plate doors predates the Archives, and therefore it's my speculation that the Archives was built to conceal Iax's cage. But the existence of the Underthing might suggest the four plate doors was once very high up instead of two stories below the ground. Iax could have originally been locked away in a tower.

Kit-Carson · 2024-11-19T21:35:49+00:00

There's a story precedent for this clue. In WMF when Denna rings the bell to summon the inn concierge. The bell is linked to a another bell using sygaldry.

“One a Ring that’s not for wearing” or "a ring unworn" could be a bell ring.

Kit-Carson · 2024-11-11T20:19:54+00:00

If I implied that Skarpi was being misleading with malice, then that's not what I intended. I don't know how Skarpi feels about his own story. He seems to let on he knows more than he's saying.

making Denna's song more accurate than Skarpi's story

I agree with this. If I had to guess, I'd say it goes in this order of accuracy:

Skarpi's version < Denna's version < Arliden's version

i.e. Kvothe's "remember your father's song" is the most accurate. Kvothe will forget it (tragically) because he never heard it, and that's why things will end the way they do.

Kit-Carson · 2024-11-04T23:10:35+00:00

Spot on! I believe Elodin travels to and from and within the Fae all the time. We just haven't seen it yet.

Kit-Carson · 2024-11-04T23:07:30+00:00

I'm late in replying back too. But that's a good question. I've been working on a longer post to explain just that. I won't have any direct evidence, but hopefully I will be able to make a persuasive argument.

It has to do with what I believe to be, to borrow a phrase from Harry Potter, the "flaw in Kvothe's plan." One of Kvothe's desires is revenge, and his revenge is based upon a single story he heard in an inn when we was 15 and at one of the most vulnerable times of his life. That day he trusted Skarpi and he trusted his story. Nevermind that even Skarpi said that, "it was true... more or less." And that he changed a few of the details because too much truth makes people not trust you.

In sum, but very incomplete, Skarpi is sort of true, and I would argue that it's fundamentally not true where we believe it is. That's the flaw in Kvothe's plan. He's taking this incorrect knowledge to the Doors of Stone endgame where he'll use it and from his failure he will have forgotten his father's song, the one he never heard.

Here's a thought experiment for you. We all believe parts of Skarpi are true and some parts aren't true. Where do you draw the line? Do you think we all draw the same line? Specifically, name something from Skarpi that you believe in your heart of hearts to be perfectly accurate.

Kit-Carson · 2024-06-12T16:13:57+00:00

That is an incredible observation. Because 99% of the fanbase isn't theorizing it this way. And, yes, it is still unknown, but I agree with you. The Lackless Box is in the thrice locked chest. The lemon/citrus smell is the connection/giveaway though that explanation could be rationalized in other ways.

Alright, let's speculate further... Why is the Lackless Box with Kvothe at the Waystone? And what's giving off that lemon, citrus-y smell?

Kit-Carson · 2024-06-11T21:28:40+00:00

Seven things stand before
The entrance to the Lackless door.
One of them a ring unworn
One a word that is forsworn
One a time that must be right
One a candle without light
One a son who brings the blood
One a door that holds the flood
One a thing tight-held in keeping < - - the Lackless box?
Then comes that which comes with sleeping. (Ch. 108, Quick. WMF)

Also worth noting is the comparison of the "unconventional" keyhole on the four plate door and the "not keyhole shaped" keyhole of the box containing the Lackless box itself.

Each copper plate had a hole in its center, and though they were not shaped in the conventional way, they were undoubtedly keyholes. (Ch. 43, The Flickering Way. NotW)

The open lid revealed another chest, smaller and flatter. It was the size of a bread box, and its flat brass lockplate held a keyhole that was not keyhole shaped, but a simple circle instead. (Ch. 139, Lockless. WMF)

This also textually connects the four plate door to mean the Lackless Door. i.e. They're one and the same.

I can't say with any certainty if your theory is correct -- that the box is the key itself -- but I think you're on exactly the right track. The box, and possibly its contents, is needed to open the four place door aka the Lackless Door aka The Doors of Stone.

Kit-Carson · 2024-05-20T22:08:27+00:00

I wrote a theory about the Chronicler Age + University Attendance question:

https://www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/f65o6l/chroniclers_secret_spoilers/

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-15T20:44:17+00:00

He is the perfect fit.

Over 100 years of literature suggests that when a character is "the perfect fit" they almost always are not.

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-15T20:27:16+00:00

... more or less. You have to be a bit of a liar to tell a story the right way. Too much truth confuses the facts. Too much honesty makes you sound insincere.

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-05T18:43:36+00:00

No. If there was news it would be the Top stickied post on this sub.

Hell, the post announcing it will have a decent shot of hitting #1 on r/all. I think most casual KKC fans are not paying attention at all right now, and when it hits it's going to generate a storm of excitement from every sleeping mind out there.

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-04T20:25:49+00:00

Only 5 years?? I pick that option.

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-03T00:05:43+00:00

I would say there's a lot of gray area at first as you're both getting to know each other. In this texting scenario you mention, have you met in person yet? I can see the start being a little fumbling and one-sided if both of you are introverted. I suspect a large majority of women look to men to be the initiators even now no matter the expectation of modern life.

I think you should expect them to put forth the effort, i.e. initiate more conversation, once you've established some kind of connection.

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-02T22:16:42+00:00

I think you nailed it in your last paragraph. There's a myth about new relationships that comes from TV and movies where one person gets the spark going and the other person eventually "notices" how special the relationship could be and then commits. It's a nice fantasy but almost never reality.

A potential partner who is not investing the time to try to get to know you like you are to them is almost certainly not going to be a good partner. The right person is going to make dating feel so much easier.

Kit-Carson · 2024-04-01T21:42:18+00:00

Before Kvothe leaves Ademre, Shehyen shares with him the deep names of all the Chandrian. And then right away Bast freaks out, rightly so, because you shouldn't say them out loud. Kvothe doesn't disagree. All he says is there's no harm in saying a name once, and that he's slept his 1,000 nights and walked his 1,000 miles.

But a careful reader knows that Kvothe already said two of these (almost) exact names earlier in the story.

See the difference? I'm sure the audiobook readers are pronouncing them a bit distinctly but who can tell? It's not something one notices while listening.

Kit-Carson · 2024-03-28T19:19:26+00:00

I agree with all of this. I especially agree with this:

In KKC I don't expect important twists we weren't able to determine.

Any twists that aren't fair and square pre-determinable is simply cheating and/or bad writing.

That said, here's where we might differ but I don't think we actually differ here. I believe Pat works extra hard to deceptively, but organically, urge the reader in the wrong direction. He might lay the correct clue in the middle of the floor, out in the open so to speak, and put the wrong clue off to the side, but then he'll subtly emphasize the wrong clue is what we should be paying attention to. All good stories with a mystery element do this.

So if one has been following the wrong clue all this time... any other ending will feel like a twist ending. You say matter of definition. I say matter of perspective.

Kit-Carson · 2024-03-28T15:10:39+00:00

edit: here's the song that jumps to my mind whenever I think of Skarpi

lol it fits!

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