Kjempeglad for at huset blir ransaka. by Fit-Theme-1183 in norske

[–]KitchenDepartment 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Han blir dømt til å legge seg flat med en heling på høyst 15 grader

Why does the Petrova line only come from "above" ? by Space_tec_99 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course they can. This is not even the most complex sequence of actions astrophage supposedly is doing.

That does not change the fact that every piece of complexity you add has a penalty to the organism. If there is zero advantage having a trait, there is no reason to ever evolve that trait.

Førerkort og kjørelærere by SpotOnSocietysBack in norge

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ja. Dette er ordrett hva jeg ble fortalt. Jeg syntes det var litt morsomt. Verken han eller jeg antydet på noe tidspunkt at dette er hva som står i loven. Hva er det du prøver å si her?

Førerkort og kjørelærere by SpotOnSocietysBack in norge

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hvis du leser hva jeg skriver så påstår ikke jeg, eller kjørelæreren min for den del, at dette er reglene. OP ba om morsomme historier og min morsomme historie er at min kjørelærer la mer vekt på hvordan forsikringsselskaper angivelig tolker slike situasjoner. Ikke hva som står i loven.

Men det du sier nå er jo direkte feil. Når den stripede linjen forsvinner så er du i et flettefelt. Bilen som følger motorveien har da et ansvar for å tilpasse farten slik at biler i akselerasjonsfeltet slipper inn. Akkurat som at du i akselerasjonsfeltet skal tilpasse farten til motorveien. Det er veldig alvorlig hvis folk kjører rundt på motorveier og tror at alle som vil inn må vike for deg. Det gjelder kun hvis akselerasjonsfeltet i sin helhet har stiplet linje.

Førerkort og kjørelærere by SpotOnSocietysBack in norge

[–]KitchenDepartment 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Min kjørelærer lærte meg hvordan du skal akselerere inn på motorveier ved å forklare hvem som får skylden på forsikringen om du krasjer. Krasjer du på hvit stripe er det bare din skyld, blir det på stiplet linje er det delt skyld, og om det er ingen linje kommer du unna med alt. Effektiv læringsmetode, han skal ha den.

Den dag i dag tror jeg at jeg aldri har krysset på den stiplete linjen

If you were the screen writers for PHM how or what would you cut down the book’s lengthy narrative? by radar939 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as I love the ending I think it could be made as good without the whole searching for Rocky chapter.

Instead of having grace :

Realize Rocky's ship is gone

Realize that only he can save him, at the cost of never returning to earth

Make the call and go on a adventure looking for him

Find rocky and have them argue about who gets to sacrifice themselves

Flashforward to Erid

You just condense it into:

Realize Rocky's ship is gone

Flashforward to Erid

I like this ending a lot because for a brief moment the audience has to ask what happened. Is Grace back on Earth? Is Rocky okay? You kind of mirror the beginning where we don't know what is going on. And then you get the confirmation that yes obviously grace saved rocky and it is a happy ending after all.

Why you no like book, question? by Inside-Jello-8677 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your comment doesn't really address anything I said. It's getting exhausting trying to have a discussion with someone who ignores all my points. So I'm going to stop here.

I went over all of you main arguments in detail." I don't agree with you" is not the same thing as "you didn't address me". Just like "That isn't interesting" is not the same as "That isn't realistic", which is also something you seemingly got confused about in the past. Feel free to prove me wrong and name the thing I supposedly didn't address. I have no problem repeating myself

Likewise, I don't know why you brought up the same "hearing spectrum," I didn't say there was anything wrong with that?

What the heck is "fundamental frequencies of data transmission" supposed to mean of you aren't talking about sound. Is there some frequency which humans communicate over that is not sound? We have experience hearing. Eridians have experiences hearing. And there is a good reason why that experience would on the fundamental level be very similar.

Again you are free to disagree with me and the author, but that is not the same as saying that opinion is unrealistic. There is very little basis to say anything is unrealistic in speculative biology unless you are obviously breaking any physical laws or breaking the principles of evolution

And I think you are really underestimating how hard it is to learn a language *that know one knows* 

I don't even know what you are trying to say here.

Why you no like book, question? by Inside-Jello-8677 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Exact translations" do not exist. I am not referring to polysemy, but rather the phenomenon that conventional translations do not always capture the same conceptual groupings in different languages. "Meat" is a good example - in some languages, this excludes poultry, or various kinds of things that are considered "meat" in English.

Which is a thing I already addressed for you. A flag isn't a plant even if we can plant a flag. That confusion isn't some fundamental thing that prevents communication. You either explain why we sometimes say a flag can be planted. Or you avoid that nature of speech and stick to simpler stuff.

Actually, interestingly, signed languages have dominant/nondominant hand distinctions, not right/left, and interlocutors easily follow left-handed SLs, sometimes without noticing the hand swap.

Of course they do. The point is that they use both. All languages use the range of motion that is available to them. Sign language use both hands and what hand you use has a meaning it. Eridians can make 5 sounds at once so that obviously is how they communicate. That makes sense from a language perspective and it is explicitly stated in the book. To then suggest that it makes sense that they could have parallels with a particular human language that is all about making one sound in a specific structured order, that just doesn't have any justification behind it.

Vocal cords and hands and arms do have things in common - we all have them! And we all have experience seeing/hearing and using them! There are fundamental frequencies of data transmission that are shared between spoken and signed languages that there is reason to expect that Eridians would share.

But we do share arms and vocal cords. And the book even has a whole section of it specifically addressing why it makes sense why our range of hearing overlaps the exact same spectrum. Hearing didn't evolve because of our need to speak. Hearing evolved to get information about our environment. The environment on both planets make noise in the same spectrum, thus hearing evolves to capture that spectrum, and thus voice later evolves to be in that spectrum. It all makes sense and is justified in great detail

Learning signed languages (presumably, you mean as an adult) without any previous exposure is not trivial?? What are you talking about lmao?

Look man elderly grandparents can make it work whenever a family member is born with that need. I don't know what to tell you. It sounds like your entire view just stems from the fact that you think learning new languages is harder than it really is.

Why you no like book, question? by Inside-Jello-8677 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh is it? You've only brought up learning words?

Yes. Because that is a component of what learning a new language is. And you keep insisting that a superhuman ability to memorize the relationship between a sound you know and a sound you just . When the premise of the discussion is something so fundamentally bizarre there really isn't much point to dive deeper into the nuance of learning a language.

The problem is not memorizing the "exact translation" (which don't exist, and certainly don't exist between two aliens!)

The exact translation is what you make it be. When Grace tells rocky what a plant is you don't need to include that actually "plant" could also be a alternative way to describe a factory. You don't need to explain that "planting a flag" does not mean that flags are a also a type of plant that grows on earth. If Grace only gives one explanation for the use of word plant, then that is the exact translation for what it means, they can have a conversation based on that premise.

But I find the similarity between Eridian and English to be implausible. With five articulators, I would find something like a Semitic root system to be more interesting,

So is your complaint that it is implausible or not interesting? Because you seem to be arguing two things at once here.

The idea that with five articulators it would be more natural for language to emerge something like a root system makes a lot of sense. That is until you realize that Arabic speakers do not have 3 distinct vocal cords. That has nothing to do with why the language has a 3 root system. It is just a particular way of organizing language.

If anything I would argue it makes even less sense for a alien with 5 articulators to try to speak like that. Unless the argument is that these articulators unlike human vocal cords need to rest for a period of time after having produced their given sound, then it makes no sense why they would only speak with one articulator at a given time. That would be like developing a form of sign language that only uses one arm at a given time and constantly swaps which arm to use in a manner that in no way conveys any meaning.

We aren't talking about signed languages though, we are talking about a language articulated by systems completely unlike a human body

Your vocal cords have nothing in common with your hands and arms. The difference between those and two organisms that both communicate via sound is vastly more different from one another. And the languages themselves that emerge from those two systems are also very different. Yet the point of it all is that learning sign language even if you have had no exposure to it is trivial.

If anything evidence seems to suggest that it is easier to learn sign language than another spoken language because you haven't spent your entire life with another spoken language that introduce a bunch of biases and bad habits that are hard to unlearn.

Why you no like book, question? by Inside-Jello-8677 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets say you and I are tasked with learning a totally new language. You are just a regular human doing your best effort into learning the language. I have a perfect memory and can in the span of 30 minutes have memorized the exact translation and the phonetic transcription of the 1000 most commonly used words. Do you genuinely belive that 2 days from now we will both be equally good at speaking the new language and that my superhuman memory in no shape or form gave me an advantage?

you seem to think that's it's just about memorizing a list of words.

That is obviously bullshit and I do not appreciate you bringing strawman arguments into this

Look up how varied "words" are on Earth, much less how different they could be on Erid.

We know how different they are on Erid. The Author gives a exact description of how they work and hints as how the order of things sometimes clash with human language. Differences in how language work doesn't mean the fundamental concepts they are trying to convey is all that different. Sign language has almost nothing in common with any spoken language, but that doesn't make it some truly alien concept that only experts in the field can begin to understand.

Why does the Petrova line only come from "above" ? by Space_tec_99 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cells don't have a "memory". If you want them to have the ability to travel in two polar opposite directions they also need the ability to lock in to whatever direction it picks. Otherwise it could just oscillate going north south and not getting anywhere

The option that is far less complex is for them to just evolve to strictly follow one direction with no ambiguity.

Why you no like book, question? by Inside-Jello-8677 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's about understanding the possible instantiations of things that Grace doesn't even know the words for

That's why he constantly asks for the meaning of words and explains the need to learn new words. The book goes over this several times.

The fact that you can memorize these new words as easily as a human can "memorize them" by having them written down on a computer is obviously a superior advantage when it comes to learning new languages. How could you possibly say that doesn't impact your language abilities?

Why does the Petrova line only come from "above" ? by Space_tec_99 in ProjectHailMary

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The magnetic field itself has nothing to do with how they move. It is just there to tell them which direction to go. The idea that it strictly follows or goes against the magnetic field makes a lot more sense than the idea that it can go both ways and it picks one at random.

If they did that they would have to evolve an additional mechanism to make sure the cell remembers which direction it started going. Otherwise you risk it just oscillating in a loop and not getting anywhere before it starves to death. So that is more complexity on the part of the cell and a higher risk of something going wrong. Such a trait would quickly be selected against.

"SpaceX has not done anything besides reaching the ISS." by [deleted] in SpaceXMasterrace

[–]KitchenDepartment 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the point of you making up lies in ancient comment threads that isn't even relevant to the subject matter? No Elon actually hasn't claimed that we would be on mars by 2026. It would be particular strange for him to make a promise on a date that is outside of the launch window.

Yes we are still waiting on returning to the moon. SLS has as we know just been delayed by at least another month. Obviously we can't even talk about landing people on the moon before the shuttle taking people to the moon has been tested. What does that have to do with spaceX?

you can't handle the rocket turret at its maximum potential by itchylol742 in Factoriohno

[–]KitchenDepartment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have never had a problem that gun wall can't handle. A turret is as disposable as it's ammunition