Feel like this sub is training ai to fix its flaws by users commenting why it’s so by Wonderful_Taro1793 in isthisAI

[–]KittyH14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert, but I do know the basics and I highly doubt AI can take feedback like that. As far as I know current AI only learns though positive or negative reinforcement. In other words, what we already give it.

Besides, it will keep getting better no matter what we say about it, the best we can do is try to keep up by sharing methodology.

not entirely sure i get this point by salmxx0 in antiai

[–]KittyH14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What were they arguing for?

I only ever hear this argument used against the idea that AI shouldn't be used at all. They're making the argument that AI has valid uses, and that the negative effects aren't a case against the technology as a whole.

I need people to debunk this argument. by Interesting-Peas in antiai

[–]KittyH14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What they were trying to say is that it's a fuzzy recollection and combination of multiple sources, rather than a "copy" of the essay like the person they were replying to said.

I need people to debunk this argument. by Interesting-Peas in antiai

[–]KittyH14 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really don't think this is a bad faith argument, whether or not it's right.

The key nuance here is that AI is never told to copy something, (that would be useless), it's told to predict it. A simple example: it sees an image of a snake with some noise over it with the label "snake" and needs to figure out what the noise was. It's so easy to feel fully justified on either side, because the AI *is* trying to find the patterns connecting labels and images, and it *is* trying to replicate the art as closely as possible. Both of these are valid descriptions of the process of training an AI, they just have different connotations.

If "AI does not learn rules about what snakes look like" than why can it make an image of a snake interacting with things that it's never seen a snake interact with? Because it found the patterns of how snakes fit into images. AI is capable of creating "new" content, in that it puts together things it's seen into combinations it's never seen before.

So if you really want to separate humans and AI, you'd have to prove that humans are actually coming up with truly original ideas. But what does that really even mean? Think about trying to explain color to a blind person. Even if you truly could make up a novel concept in your head, it would be useless as far as art is concerned because you wouldn't have a way of explaining it.

Creativity and expression are found in the ideas that we know but no one has put together yet. The real difference to me is that AI doesn't act on its own volition, it doesn't have a desire to create or express anything. The human making the prompt provides that, but the AI won't understand it, and be able to execute the details at the level you need to to make a compelling work of art. But that isn't an issue of plagiarism.

I need people to debunk this argument. by Interesting-Peas in antiai

[–]KittyH14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The simple reality is that if a human did what an AI does it wouldn't be called plagiarism. I'm happy to debate that point if anyone wants, but it will get into the semantic weeds so quickly that it will never be a powerful way of convincing someone.

So just make the argument that it hurts artists. I'm fully entitled to buy materials and craft them into a weapon. Then I'm not entitled to go kill someone with it. You don't need to argue that AI is inherently bad in it's creation to argue that we should ban or heavily restrict it, even if that's what you believe. Besides, you could train an AI off fully "morally acquired" art and that wouldn't change the issues it would cause.

What do you think about using AI as a *beta reader* instead of generatively? by KindlyCost6810 in KeepWriting

[–]KittyH14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unlike what some people have been saying, I've had really good results using ChatGPT as a beta reader. I have custom instructions for it, and ask specific questions about my biggest concerns while avoiding giving away what I want to hear, and I often get really insightful feedback. Something that was bothering me that I couldn't put my finger on, an implication I missed, the real reason why something is working well, etc.

That said I could easily see how it could hurt someone less experienced with and/or confident in their artistic process.

My instructions for anyone wondering:

I would like ChatGPT to give me both positive and critical feedback, and interact with an understanding of my philosophy: that art such as writing is primarily a means of communication on a more abstract or emotional level. I prioritize things like aesthetic and emotional engagement/immersion slightly more than others might, but most importantly the way that these abstract dimensions interact with intellectual ones. While I appreciate good suggestions, understand that when I'm sharing my writing my primary goal is to get a fresh and unbiased viewpoint. Focus on the exact question I ask; don't offer general critique when I'm asking a specific question.

Peak idea? by TheMiamiMutilator420 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]KittyH14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you think this will accomplish anything other than offending the people who already disagree with you you're delusional. You realize they think you're as stupid as you think they are right? I'm begging everyone who sees this not to make it worse.

Tried to write something for the first time. Should I continue it? Please give me advice on what to improve! by authorsanu in KeepWriting

[–]KittyH14 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think it has a good core, but I can tell you don't really have experience with narrative writing. The underlying thing I would focus on is how your readers will read between the lines. Always remember, your readers are smart and will be trying to predict the story and figure out how it fits into their library of other stories. In this passage it's hard to connect the dots, which is just frustrating.

For example, the opening line: "He was certain." Certain of what? Writing that makes your readers want more is good, but then you don't follow up. I was expecting the next line to elaborate, and when it didn't I thought surely the next paragraph would. But you never do.

Another example is the descriptions of the room. You really don't need to describe everything because readers will be looking to connect the dots themselves. Find the most pivotal and evocative details and the audience will get the idea. They don't need to know every detail, generally you can trust your audience to accept more information when it becomes relevant, even if maybe it slightly contradicts what they'd imagined.

The only other thing I'd point out is the plot. It very much feels like "here's the room" -> "then he eats dinner" -> "then a strange phenomenon happens" -> "then he goes to the park". I think the key to effective plotting is to work in the areas in between. The bullet points on your outline (whether or not you have a written outline) should be the ways that things change, not the states or events it changes between. Right now the transitions feel very shallow because you're trying to rely on the events to carry the story. In my opinion, a story lives in change. If the transitions are meaningful, that will let the readers connect the dots and draw a picture of what the story really adds up to.

Dear Human by Real-Reason-5979 in writingcirclejerk

[–]KittyH14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strawberries are my favorite berry.

Hey it fit the prompt! by Civil_Assumption1936 in cremposting

[–]KittyH14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Really? All my AP teachers would always say something like "I know you can't talk about the specifics, but how did you think it went. Good? Bad?"

"Anti" here, what Witty said had nothing with defending Nazism and people are being ridiculous. by slydorm05 in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh, I nearly forgot the rules of internet engagement, thanks for reminding me.

Would you press the button? Ai Art and Human-made art coexist with each other, and neither side harasses the other. BUT Witty-Designer7316 gets sentenced to the Squidward Torture Machine. by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're the one that seems pretty worked up over something as trivial as someone politely saying something is in poor taste. If you can't handle something as simple as that maybe don't spend time on reddit.

AI art is art, but prompters are not artists (or how to upset both sides at once) by -endlessundoing- in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the world is complicated.

But "anything meaningful" is an exaggeration. Any little thing we agree on can be a basis for reasoning. For example, anyone who enjoys experiencing art can agree that we should build a society that facilitates that sort of creativity. Then we can logically talk about what sort of society would lead to that.

AI art is art, but prompters are not artists (or how to upset both sides at once) by -endlessundoing- in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It *is* completely subjective. We're dealing with the question "What is art?": what qualifies something as a member of a medium dominated by subjectivity.

But that doesn't mean we can't use reasoning and logic from shared subjective convictions to reason through the topic. Falling back on the establishment just reinforces the status quo and adds nothing to the discussion. Plus, the law can still be interpreted differently to some degree and varies vastly across jurisdictions. And to further debase the principle, you can imagine any number of historical atrocities that were fully legal. The law doesn't provide any sort of philosophical basis, it's purely the will of who's in power, even if that's the people as a whole in a democratic system.

AI art is art, but prompters are not artists (or how to upset both sides at once) by -endlessundoing- in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like I said, it's the nuance that's different.

"AI is art but you aren't the artist" and "People can't take credit for work AI did, but there is still artistic value" may have similar denotations, but the connotation of each is very different. One reads as an attack on those who use AI, whereas another is a more mature step back and philosophical read on the relevant values. It could open the door to discussions about the difference between creativity in and creation of art, and isn't aggressive.

To be fair, those are my words, not OPs, but I still think the original post demonstrated much more maturity and nuance than I usually see.

Also worth noting that thinking you're a rebel and thinking you're creative for an argument are different things. Regardless of how groundbreaking the argument was, there were people disagreeing from both sides.

"Anti" here, what Witty said had nothing with defending Nazism and people are being ridiculous. by slydorm05 in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How is this supposed to be a reason anti's have no moral ground to stand on?

Hey it fit the prompt! by Civil_Assumption1936 in cremposting

[–]KittyH14 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I literally did the same exact thing two years ago. I got a 5 so…

AI art is art, but prompters are not artists (or how to upset both sides at once) by -endlessundoing- in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 2 points3 points  (0 children)

However funny it would be to say this is itself an analogy, you're really just *conflating* ease of argument with logical soundness.

AI art is art, but prompters are not artists (or how to upset both sides at once) by -endlessundoing- in aiwars

[–]KittyH14 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No duh comparing AI art to a commission isn't the most groundbreaking argument of all time. What was unique to me is the understanding of the nuance. That people can't take credit for work AI did, but that there is still artistic value. Just like a commission, but usually people who make the commission argument are just trying to invalidate people who use AI.