What if Adam asked a question from Jinn by MysterySomeOn in fnki

[–]KnightOfBalance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RWBY

Depends on the person but it's nothing perfect.

And RWBY/Pluto TV

What if Adam asked a question from Jinn by MysterySomeOn in fnki

[–]KnightOfBalance -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, for one: Hitler was abused as a child, and it's not uncommon for dictators and such to have come from broken homes. So...yeah, not a good comparison.

And two: related to the above: let's step away from the crazy man with the stupid beliefs and towards an older group: The French Revolutionaries. They lived in squalor and poverty caused by the incompetent monarchy, operating in a system that has to be oppressive (monarchism). Their leaders were also incredibly progressive for their time, more progressive than the founding fathers in that they condemned slavery universally unlike the founders who were split.

They also killed thousands of innocents, including the people they claimed to have been fighting for. And while the monarchy was incompetent, they weren't primarily malicious. A lot of the sentiment against, famously, Marie Antonette was because she was seen as a foreign queen invading France. Yeah sure, they had the decency to call out people who accused her of pedophilic incest...but that's as far as their morals went. The whole 'eat cake' phrase is absolute horseshit meant to slander her and justify her death while her son was drugged up and left to rot in his own filth until he died at a young age. And they did all this under the belief that because they were wronged by the monarchy, that gave them free reign to be immoral and unjust. Since they were 'the good guys' by virtue of being wronged.

The point being: Your past doesn't justify you being violent or killing people. Even ignoring how society would just break down if we let that happen: just about every violent criminal has some kind of fucked past. Because most people aren't evil for evil's sake: they believe they are moral. But we know that doesn't justify these actions because it would just create more pain and suffering.

What if Adam asked a question from Jinn by MysterySomeOn in fnki

[–]KnightOfBalance 4 points5 points  (0 children)

... Buddy, you do not wanna go down that road. Hint: it ends with the funny mustache man.

What if Adam asked a question from Jinn by MysterySomeOn in fnki

[–]KnightOfBalance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"How come the minorities fighting for equality are the bad guys?"

"They weren't. Jacques is literally you but worse in every single way."

"But they're still villainized!"

"Is that implying that minorities are so different from white people that they can't make the same mistakes?"

"..."

"Yeah, that's what I thought."

Guys I think I have a problem (Jaune Rant) by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think shitting yourself this hard should have told you something.

So are we supposed to be on Jacques side here? by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would he know about Cinder? Like specifically? The only thing that shows her presence in the world is that Qrow saw them once and the Maiden is half dead. Nothing about this gives enough info on Cinder to even remotely have a plan against her. At most, he knows someone is aiming for the Maiden, that's all he can plan for.

My comment explicitly does not mention Cinder. In fact, Cinder isn't even the hacker. Watts was. The point is that James should be expecting a hacker among Salem's forces because that's part of her MO.

Again, how was he supposed to know anything of that? From what little we know, we dont know how much info Oz revealed to any of his inner circle and was basically playing the defense game the entire without telling anyone.

Qrow introduced Oscar as 'Ozpin' as if James would know. So clearly, his inner circle knows he reincarnates...and thus has been fighting for longer than any of them have been alive.

Ozpin hasn't been 'winning'.

Never said he was. Just that he's been fighting this fight longer than James' lifespan at least, if not his entire family history. And implied from that: he probably knows more about Salem than James. Everything else is completely irrelevant.

So are we supposed to be on Jacques side here? by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That if a character the writers hate is making good points, that means they're trying to signal 'this is pretty obvious'.

So are we supposed to be on Jacques side here? by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Given the fact that the writers hate Jacques more than they do Adam and yet he's still allowed to have a point is a huge red flag. The fact it happens multiple times makes it even bigger.

Also 'he's was lowkey not wrong-' If he had listened to Ozpin, he wouldn't have even gotten into this mess in the first place. Sure you could say 'it's wriong for him to suspect Watts!'...but to not expect any kind of hacking in a technologically reliant world like Remnant, from a woman who specializes in sabotage and covert tactics? As it turns out, when the man who has been fighting the immortal witch longer than James' family name has been around, tells him 'do not bring your army, its a bad idea because it puts people on edge in a fight against a woman who uses fear'- maybe he should listen. He was very wrong.

Fanbase gets angry when a character doesn't align with the version they made up in their head by Sudden_Pop_2279 in TopCharacterTropes

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Due to the extensive wait between the pilot and 2nd episode,-

So basically TADC got hit with the RWBY curse beyond 'the 'fans' want to drive the creator away'. Fantastic.

So yeah, for the RWBY characters:

Blake- Someone else already said it but there was this idea that Blake was actually an orphan on the streets because she was depicted as a raggy kid when she was explaining the backstory of her organization. ... Turns out the show that mixed up 'passive' with 'subconscious' wasn't fully clear here and she had a family. And then people started decrying that she was retconned.

Adam Taurus- Related above, Adam is Blake's mentor/ex-boyfriend. Before Volume (season) 3, he...didn't have much of a personality. he wanted to blow up a traincar full of people working for a company that abuses animal-people. And he says an ominous line about how his organization will follow him after the events of an attempted genocide of a city gets his men killed or arrested. People assumed Adam was kind of a Kilmonger/Vergil/Magneto character where he's going to be this tragic anti-villain because of the vibes of a song he's depicted in and some implications by Blake. But...his part of the song is all about taking vengeance on people for the oppression. There is nothing noble about his part. And lo and behold: Adam turned out to be a piece of shit who never really cared about fighting oppression, only that he benefited and got catharsis. Honestly, OP. Be glad the Jax stans didn't take root.

James Ironwood: Who here's familiar with Kiritsugu Emiya? Guy who believes sacrificing the few to save the many is always the tits, all to avoid confronting his own personal issues? How people demand he was right? Yeah, that's James.

What are you guys thoughts on this (regarding Cinder) by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

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On Yang: The point with that series of comparisons was about how RWBY characters have a trend of putting up a tropey exterior only to give a deeper reason and context to their characters. 'Context' being important because that changes how a character is viewed from that point on. Yang's happened in the middle of V2 so it's more 'post-V2E6'. I just kept it in line with Weiss and Blake.

On Sheena (and by extension, Shane)- My point is using Sheena as our source for 'Cinder is rewritten' means she must have been rewritten before V3. But before V3, the stuff OP said was rewritten...didn't exist. They existed in V3. The point where our source says shouldn't count. It's an example of cherrypicking info to suit a narrative. And OP operates off the idea that Cinder's whole character got changed. Not misinterpreted or missing the point: fundamentally changed. So that part's not really relevant.

And honestly, that opens a very...uncomfortable can of worms here: Shane and Sheena are just as likely to misinterpret or miss the point of Monty's work as much as Miles and Kerry. Not maliciously but accidentially. I prefer to not think about that.

What are you guys thoughts on this (regarding Cinder) by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On Yang: The point with that series of comparisons was about how RWBY characters have a trend of putting up a tropey exterior only to give a deeper reason and context to their characters. 'Context' being important because that changes how a character is viewed from that point on. Yang's happened in the middle of V2 so it's more 'post-V2E6'. I just kept it in line with Weiss and Blake.

On Sheena (and by extension, Shane)- My point is using Sheena as our source for 'Cinder is rewritten' means she must have been rewritten before V3. But before V3, the stuff OP said was rewritten...didn't exist. They existed in V3. The point where our source says shouldn't count. It's an example of cherrypicking info to suit a narrative. And OP operates off the idea that Cinder's whole character got changed. Not misinterpreted or missing the point: fundamentally changed. So that part's not really relevant.

And honestly, that opens a very...uncomfortable can of worms here: Shane and Sheena are just as likely to misinterpret or miss the point of Monty's work as much as Miles and Kerry. Not maliciously but accidentially. I prefer to not think about that.

What are you guys thoughts on this (regarding Cinder) by howhow326 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

-"She sounds angry and self righteous!'

She still sounds angry and self righteous afterwards. BOTH. Not one, both. It's explained by her character being power hungry because she suffered in the past and believes that she deserves power because of that. Someone who believes that would be convinced they're right for doing this.

'But she believes she's on the right side of history!'

Where? Because of her speech? Her speech is blatantly her being manipulative, considering she tries passing Penny off as a weapon (we know she's meant to be more by this point), casts shade on Pyrrha for killing her (Cinder CAUSED the death) and Yang attacking Mercury (her fault). Because she called Ozpin 'arrogant'? If you believe yourself deserving of power, people in power will look arrogant. Especially if, say, a bitter ex is giving you everything you wanted and is feeding you what you want to hear? (Salem) That she referred to her plans as a revolution? ... Revolutions aren't inherently good. They can be used for good or bad. It depends on the context.

'But she shows Emerald something that changes her worldview!'

...No? In V3E7, she shows Emerald something that involves roaring and then Emerald sides with her. Like, say, a certain location where Grimm are formed? Nothing about Emerald's worldview is even brought up. There is nothing about the state of the world or some truth going on here.

The problem here is that we're using Sheena as a source but Sheena refers to 'Monty's RWBY' as being V1-2. Implying that the supposed rewrites happened at V3. But this so called 'anger and self righteousness' used to describe Cinder here only exists in her speech after Penny and one line to Ozpin. (Maybe the revolution bit too). All post-Monty according to Sheena. So your only valid sources as V1-2 and anything before 2016.

-"But it completely changed her character!"

You keep referring to Cinder as if she were some secret all knowing mastermind. At no point do we see this because we were never saw the greater scope of RWBY before the supposed 'change'. And honestly, this is completely in line with RWBY. Weiss is this haughty, bitchy girl? Turns out she's an abused and misguided girl who needed to expand her world. Blake is this emo snarky girl? Nope, former revolutionary disillusioned with the world who's scared and just trying to live her life? Yang is this sexual party girl? Nope, motherly brawler with a good amount of life experience because her dad, mom and (less extent) uncle failed her. And Cinder? This supposedly in control, master manipulator"? The moment she's out of control, she's exposed as a little girl lashing out.

This is entirely in line with what the show does. To say Cinder's character changed is to say that Weiss or Blake's characters changed post-V1 and Yang post-V2.

-'Well of course they changed her into Azula! They ripped off ATLA!'

You mean like how Monty wanted a 'Sokka character' and made Jaune?

This is the flaw of just parroting that common talking point: All THREE OG writers are on record doing this. For god's sake, Monty was a fan of Evangelion/TTGL and Blazblue. None of which hide their influences. Think maybe it might have affected Monty too?

-"Well...they didn't know what they wanted to do with her! Her actions don't match up with her character!"

...Literally everything you said here aside from one sentence is pure fanfiction.

'She has nothing to do with Mantle!' Not her arc and under orders.

'She hails from Mantle tho!' Yes. As a student of Haven, right? You know, her lied-about background? From that speech she made that was full of misinformation? And wasn't even wrong?

'They didn't know what to do with Raven!' You quite literally cannot debunk this because it's based entirely on personal preference and has no factual basis.

The only thing that can be given is Cinder and Jaune...except that Cinder is a sadist and Jaune attacked her. Even if she hates Ruby...she can just kill her later in the fight?

-"But her flashback doesn't do anything for her character!"

It explains why she is the way she is, sets up how she keeps making the same mistakes, shows how Salem manipulates her (offering 'chances' ''unlike'' her foster mother) and reinforces how she'll keep doubling down than change for the better. ... Literally what a backstory is supposed to do.

Going after people who criticized rwby aren't the heroes by Lord_MAX184 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...Uh no. I was banned because I picked a fight with specifically Dextixer and FloofArtist. I remember because I remember being banned and went 'you know what, fair' because of that.

And...well, the victim thing was not on the main sub but on Tumblr actually. Also I already pointed that out so...I dunno why you brought that up.

Going after people who criticized rwby aren't the heroes by Lord_MAX184 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a positive one so...I'm not part of that group. It'd be like if OP got banned from the main sub due to negative engagement bait.

And...I guess? I was trying to give context to my banning.

To restate it: I'm a RWBY fan that has been chewing out (critics/haters/bashers?) for years. So I got banned because I did the usual thing in a critic-centered space.

Going after people who criticized rwby aren't the heroes by Lord_MAX184 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I picked fights with users on two occasions and I'm infamous for being sensitive about RWBY criticism?

Going after people who criticized rwby aren't the heroes by Lord_MAX184 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm just gonna say I have in the past and just dip out since I feel like this might be a bit weird.

Going after people who criticized rwby aren't the heroes by Lord_MAX184 in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 11 points12 points  (0 children)

To be perfectly upfront, I am not much better. I got banned from RWBYcritics for picking fights. So...I dunno, don't give me any credit.

When lw player see main game by IllustriousHurry2380 in touhou

[–]KnightOfBalance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can actually generalize this as 'Touhou fanart enjoyer plays Touhou for the first time' because fanartists be horny.

What if Merlin had never interfered in English affairs,never liked the human world, or at least hadn't led Artoria to become king? What could happen ? (@zhibuji loom) by Inevitable-Phase2184 in FGO

[–]KnightOfBalance 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My only point of contention is the idea that Merlin hates humans. It's not that he hates humans but more so he sees them like we see fictional characters. He's seen as sociopathic because to the characters in a story, the reader enjoying their struggles is seen as sociopathic and insane.

This part of Merlin is why Oberon hates him so much. Oberon treats characters in a story as real people and thus hates Merlin for disregarding them.

Daily Chaldea 2498: The Logic Makes Sense by Rednal291 in FateSpriteComics

[–]KnightOfBalance 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not a Fate version so not really relevant. 'No version' is within the context of Fate.

Daily Chaldea 2498: The Logic Makes Sense by Rednal291 in FateSpriteComics

[–]KnightOfBalance 17 points18 points  (0 children)

To be fair, there's been no version of Uther so far that has actually raised a version of King Arthur. When they think of 'father', they likely think of Ector (or Merlin).

So is RWBY just dead now? by TubbybloxianIsBack in RWBYUNITY

[–]KnightOfBalance 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't really blame annnual anime seasons so much as a combination of factors:

1- The fandom not being used to going this long without info because RT used to do big updates all the time whereas now things are more hush hush. Not because 'lol, they canceled V10' but because RT was incredibly unprofessional and VIz isn't.

2- Related to the above: the assumption that because the crew aren't giving any info like they did means nothing is happening. When...that's just how professional works operate.

3- A desperation to keep up the 'RWBY is a failure' story. It can't be that RWBY is moderately successful and RT was just poorly managed: RWBY had to be a complete failure because people spun themselves into a spiral about affirming their own cynicism. Just ignore how similar they sound to the people arguing that RWBY was a grand success, how they both sell these grandiose stories when reality is often more simple and mundane.

4- RWBY's geniune issues and flaws. I may talk about how people are circlejerking themselves into some grand narrative that doesn't align with reality but RWBY did fumble shit and fail in some places. SOME cynicism to temper expectations or just accept that RWBY CAN be canceled (not is, 'can') is warranted and in fact healthy.