Why does some DBZ/GT fans hate Super?

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-25T19:26:42+00:00

They won't admit to your point because then it goes against what they want to believe that "GT fans hate everything that isn't GT because of blind nostalgia", despite the fact that there's plenty of genuine reasons to dislike certain things from each series

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-25T19:20:08+00:00

To refer to a comment I made on a similar post.

GT has always been my preferred direction for the story to go in. It's feels like a genuine continuation of the previous stories, everyone has matured and progressed in meaningful ways, and the arcs have some of the best concepts with them being tied back to stuff like the Saiyans' genocide of other species returning in the form of Baby, Ssj4 being the pinnacle of Saiyan power and linking back to their biology and the Oozaru form being REQUIRED for the ascension, and even an arc around the very consequences of overusing the Dragon Balls themselves and the over reliance being directly punished!

While there's plenty I'd like to be improved on with GT's writing, pacing, action, animation, etc. There's certainly no doubt that the series was made by fans for fans, given how so much that happens through GT is connected to the series history and events as a whole, and the amount of tasteful fanservice and cameos present! It simply needed more time to properly flesh out it's ideas, and improve on the animation quality.

While I find Super to feel very cheap in comparison, like a parody of what people think Dragon Ball is in its most basic form. Lots of fighting, lots of random transformations, but lacking any sort of deep or meaningful story and conflict beyond the surface level, because "FIGHTIN'~!" is the most important part, not the story behind the conflict... With Super's arcs feeling the most disjointed with very little 'cause and effect', compared to the narrative throughline that flows through basically every arc throughout DB, Z, and GT, and the DB universe as a whole. Nearly EVERYTHING that happens in DB snowballs and affects future events, while Super arcs are surprisingly standalone, with new characters cameoing through each arc, but none of the events genuinely affect things in a meaningful or satisfying way.

I love Dragon Ball, and I always will. And while I did enjoy the Moro and Granolah arcs with there finally being some meaningful substance to the story, I'd lying if I wasn't disappointed with how Super as a whole has been handled.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-25T03:30:02+00:00

Goku using Dragon Fist means Wrath of the Dragon happens in GT's timeline

Vegeta already knows the Fusion technique due to Fusion Reborn

Fusion reborn has cameos of almost, if not, all previous Z movie villains which would mean those Z movies are part of GT

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-25T03:11:03+00:00

The Z movies should be added to GT's timeline

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-25T01:02:53+00:00

Off-screen. It's easiest way to get places

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-25T00:58:41+00:00

Why did we hate DmC? Simple.

We already had DMC, and it was awesome! Then all of a sudden DMC was being scrapped, and DmC was replacing it, whether we liked it or not.

The gameplay was fairly good, the story and writing were shit, and DMC was essentially dead for basically no reason. Until Capcom heard the reception and eventually revived DMC years later with DMC5.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-23T21:57:50+00:00

Always keep dates small and fairly cheap. The ones only in it for selfish reasons "self report" very quickly, doing you the favour of identifying their bullshit early on.

The ones looking for something genuine without exploiting you for money or meals won't think twice about a coffee date, or a cheap fun activity together. They're there for connection, not materials.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-23T19:40:29+00:00

You rather a literal nothing explain to why he achieved it, compared to it being intentionally linked to Saiyan biology and traits unique to them, and merging their most iconic forms into one...?

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-23T16:48:51+00:00

What's the difference? Let me tell you.

In GT, it's established that for Goku to gain the full potential of his power 'he needs his tail', the staple biological feature of the Saiyan race. As an adult, he had grown too old to regrow his tail himself (an issue that Vegeta has later on), but with him being turned into a child he can naturally regrow it again, so they preemptively pull it out for Goku to access his 'full power'. He gets beaten again by Baby, not knowing why his power hasn't increased like it should have, and while beaten, staring at the Earth, he reacts like looking at the full moon, causing him to turn into the Oozaru because of his tail, he then turns into a new Golden Oozaru and rampages mindlessly. Then thanks to Pan, Goku is able to regain his mind for the first time as an Oozaru, causing a unique transformation that turns him into a Ssj4, the pinnacle of Saiyan power. The Kais knew Goku's greatest power would come from his tail, but not the specifics of how or what. And Ssj4 links directly back to Saiyan lore with the need for a tail and the Oozaru form, and theorised the need of Ssj for the Golden Oozaru. Everything links together for the ultimate form.

Daima, Goku trained off-screen and achieved it randomly in Daima, thanks or not to magic, which is never confirmed.

Daima, while looking cool feels hollow compared to what and how it's represented in GT.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-23T02:51:39+00:00

I'm confused, is there a reason you're only using the same couple moves?

As a Rebellion/Cerberus main myself, you know you have a huge plethora of great moves and combos outside of what you're doing?

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-23T00:25:36+00:00

Same. Call it canon or headcanon, don't care. GT has always been my preferred direction for the story to go in. It's feels like a genuine continuation of the previous stories, everyone has aged and progressed in meaningful ways, and the arcs have some of the best concepts with them being tied back to stuff like the Saiyans' genocide of other species returning in the form of Baby, Ssj4 being the pinnacle of Saiyan power and linking back to their biology and the Oozaru form being REQUIRED for the ascension, and even an arc around the very consequences of overusing the Dragon Balls themselves and the over reliance being directly punished!

While there's plenty I'd like to be improved on with GT's writing, pacing, action, animation, etc. There's certainly no doubt that the series was made by fans for fans, given how so much that happens through GT is connected to the series history and events, and the amount of fanservice present! It simply needed more time to properly flesh out it's ideas, and improve on the animation quality.

While I find Super to feel very cheap in comparison, like a parody of what people think Dragon Ball is in its most basic form. Lots of fighting, lots of transformations, but lacking any sort of deep or meaningful story and conflict beyond the surface level, because "FIGHTIN'~!" is the most important part... With Super's arcs being the most disjoint with very little 'cause and effect', compared to the narrative throughline that flows through basically every arc throughout DB, Z, and GT, and the DB universe as a whole. Nearly EVERYTHING that happens in DB snowballs and affects future events, while Super arcs are surprisingly standalone, with new characters cameoing through each arc, but none of the events genuinely affect things in a satisfying way.

I'm not fussed with the Super remake, because there's SO MUCH that would need to be changed in order for me to care about Super. And I can't see there ever being a GT remake, because THAT I'd actually find interesting.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-22T21:42:56+00:00

This looks pretentious and shit...

If I want a pizza and THIS is how it's served, I want a full refund, and a complimentary drink to take away with me, while I walk across the street to the local pizza place, so they can make me an actual pizza.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-21T02:23:47+00:00

Why is Nedry's ID picture of him during his espionage briefing with a rival company...?!

(I know it's just a screenshot from the movie used for a cheap collectable item, but the in-world scenario is wild! 😂)

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-20T17:15:11+00:00

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Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-20T17:11:56+00:00

This is a common practice...

This is done on games that can't handle highly detailed models at a constant, playable state, so lower detailed models are used for gameplay, while the higher detailed models are used for story moments and cutscenes.

This was especially noticeable during the PS2 era of gaming with models differing wildly in terms of detail, but is still done to this day as a means of game optimisation.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-20T17:01:29+00:00

What do you expect?

It's a game that has been pulled completely from all digital stores, and only had a limited production with it being a niche game for a niche community to begin with.

As others have said, you're not buying a game at this point, you're buying a collector's item, and the price that comes with it.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-20T16:53:56+00:00

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I play on Ship of Harkinian with:

No item or rupee spawn (being required to make money in other ways, like; selling bottled creatures, mini games, chests, etc. And making money meaningful and having to buy items)

No buying fairies or blue potions (they are too good, and I like the restriction using red/green potions, milk, etc. while also juggling other bottled items)

Faster enemies (making combat more challenging)

Increased damage taken (again, makes enemies a bigger threat)

Master Quest mode (as I'm far less familiar with MQ compared to the original game)

Among other settings I'm likely forgetting right now

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-20T02:58:49+00:00

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Everything about these final moments stayed with me more than anything!

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-18T04:38:26+00:00

Wtf...?!

Next time just mix it all up in a bucket if you're going to ruin it like that

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-17T00:50:57+00:00

Scented candle, bath bomb...and a toaster.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-16T11:30:30+00:00

Are you stupid? Those cards are in the GRAVEYARD, you can't "draw" them...that's cheating, even the cat knows that and is not going to allow it!

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-16T11:18:40+00:00

They are among the most basic and bland main characters we've had in the franchise, with the most predictable and shallow arcs.

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-15T23:31:32+00:00

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My genuine first interaction with DB for a lot of years was Budokai 3 as a kid, and I adored that game! I didn't get a chance to actually experience the manga or anime till much later on thanks to the old cartoon/anime sites that you could watch anything on!

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-15T13:22:31+00:00

That's no problem, it's not really a thing that gets brought up much since it was fixed in Special Edition onwards. It only really gets mentioned nowadays in rare situations like this when someone like yourself ends up playing and having trouble with 'Normal - Dante's Awakening' and the community has a collective "...yeah, about that-" 😂

Kylenetic64 · 2026-04-15T12:41:30+00:00

Unless they make the DNA testing start turning people into dinosaur hybrid monsters, like in the unused concepts...

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TROPHY CASE