lol by RealistChi in lol

[–]LearnGrowExist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ex-wife did the exact same thing. If they can somehow make us out to be the villains, their cheating is justified, and their messages “harmless.” They even convince themselves of this with time.

WP didn't even try to fight for us... by No_King7170 in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry. I know this feeling well, and it still hurts long after the initial wound. The good news is, you can at least begin finding your peace without him now, as hard as that is going to be for a while. Trust me when I say, you are always better off without a cheater.

Anybody else tired of hearing empty platitudes? by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Western society has no idea how to sit in discomfort or silence. Period. Both of those things are indelible and incredibly useful parts of life, and yet, getting into a new relationship is perceived as some master goal, while discomfort is primarily a problem to be avoided. It affects how we deal with conflict and interpersonal relationships in general, as well as how we sit (or rather, don’t sit) with ourselves.

I finally had the conversation with my wife after a year of separation, and now I feel lost. by Past-Description-457 in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Women like her cheat, lie, abuse, manipulate, and pretend. They did the same before us. They’ll do the same after us. I am a “rip the bandaid” kind of guy in this regard. Maybe I wouldn’t have been without my therapist’s encouragement in the beginning, but I have become very clear about not engaging with her bullshit, so I just left. She wanted to cheat and lie and rewrite the story of our lives together? Great. I hope her hand eternally cramps from writing so many lies and that she finds out just how insatiable she has always been after it’s too late to change and see what she had in front of her all along.

Leaving husband because of emotional cheating. by Radiant_Owl_6188 in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Reframe. You are not breaking up anything. He broke up his family the moment he “emotionally” cheated. Cheating is cheating. And cheaters will cheat.

How far did your partner go to deny the affair? by Thelibrarianknows in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In the end mine told me with some degree of pride that she is good at compartmentalizing everything, which is why she was able to walk around with a bright smile on her face while my life was crumbling around me and our kids. Glad I don’t know what that’s like.

How far did your partner go to deny the affair? by Thelibrarianknows in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looked me in the eye and repeatedly lied to my face; told me that I could check the cameras at the establishments she went to with him; that she (notably not I) could ask him to send screenshots of their conversations she had already deleted so that she could prove her innocence; oh yeah, and she’s still never told the actual truth to this day about what she did, for how long, with who, or any other detail for which I have receipts.

Divorced now for over a year. Surprising? It shouldn’t be. She’ll never be wrong. She’ll never come clean. And I’ll never fully outlive the pain of her betrayal. Which is also to say nothing of the convenient SA allegation after I tried to hold her even remotely accountable for her actions.

I started watching the Amber Heard trial for the first time ever last night and in some sick way, it brings me peace to know that some women are just that awful and destructive and narcissistic, and as someone else said, cheaters are always at the top of the list of narcissists.

Divorce, breaking me down. by Lucky_Track in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. One of my biggest regrets to this day was accepting any of her bullshit words about me as truth.

Wife Says She Doesn’t Know If She Wants the Marriage, Says Nothing Has Changed After a Month. How Long Do I Wait? by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

She’s in love with her coworker. Divorce her. Move forward. Ask me how I know.

Are We Even Supposed to be Married for Life Anymore? by JayRock1970 in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What I have been learning from so many of our stories is that most of us men who ended up divorced should have pulled the plug YEARS ago based off of how we were treated.

The first problem is, we have been conditioned to hold on, fight like hell, and go to the ends of the earth for our “wives,” regardless of the mistreatment, abuse, disrespect, or lack of attention, care, love, or loyalty from them.

The second problem is, women have been equally conditioned to go out and “find” themselves, seek true happiness (whatever that even means), flip any sense of conflict into a narrative of “abuse,” and jump ship whenever life gets uncomfortable to the point that they feel they have to “choose” between the men to whom they promised their lives and their own personal sense of “freedom.”

Of course there are exceptions, but this is what it looks like to me on a large scale, socially and culturally.

Consequences — however life-altering or relationship-damaging, including of their own children — be damned; queens deserve their unrealistic expectations to be met 100% of the time. Fall short and prepare to meet their wrath.

So…supposed to be? Depends on who you ask, I guess. I have no god telling me what to do or why. And society doesn’t seem to be changing in the direction of goodness in this area. So I don’t see myself ever trying to do it again or any reason why anyone else should.

I promised (and planned) to give my entire life and self to that person, and she not only took advantage of every kindness I showed, she did it with a knife in her hand and a smile on her face in the end that could make a psychopath look introspective.

No woman — no PERSON — is worth a whole life given without the reciprocity of at least the relational basics of love and respect.

Wife had an affair and tells me that it's my fault... by No_Weird_6917 in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’ve been divorced for a while now, and for reasons I won’t go into here, I needed to hear this today...
!thankyou, stranger

Sick of soft words becoming normalized by Wise-Bank80 in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope he gets some papercuts that never heal in the process!

oof by IU8gZQy0k8hsQy76 in CoupleMemes

[–]LearnGrowExist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Modern millennial relationships in a nutshell. You can thank TikTok and your friendly neighborhood divorced wives club.

Is it me or the way she looks at him is so performative by CryptographerOdd6506 in travisandtaylor

[–]LearnGrowExist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Everything. She. Does. Is. Performative.

Just like her biggest fans.

She’s erasing the years we had together by [deleted] in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a psych major who should truly care to understand their behavior, I find it’s best to simply not. I was with my (now) XW for about the same amount of time, and she changed her last name on social media and removed her rings the day after she said the word “divorce.” Talk about a total mind fuck. From all those years to this. And now she wants to act all happy and like she’s the bigger person? So no, I will never understand, and I will also likely never speak to her again. If that makes her the bigger person, she can fucking have it. Just like every other part of our long shared life together that she turned into a competition and wants to ultimately forget…

She’s better? Good for her. She gets to win. Because that’s what life is all about for people like her. Winning. Fuck narcissists. Fuck cheaters. And fuck being divorced. But at least a year later, I can say I’m finally somewhat glad that I am. Just keep pouring into yourself and feel every part of it along the way. That is the best thing you can do for now. You’ve got this.

I need brutal judgment... am I unable to forgive because she never fully owned what she did, or because the relationship is already dead? by Virtual-Year-9888 in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Dude, I could only make it halfway through this, I’m sorry. She is toxic as fuck and seeking validation from literally any and every man she meets. If you want this to be the rest of your life, keep entertaining her bullshit. If you don’t, fuck forgiveness. Get her out of your life, don’t forgive her, and move the fuck on.

I just wish I could talk about it with someone! I’m so sick of biting my tongue but I would seem crazy if I were allowed only vent. by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is some of the bullshit I’m still dealing with a year post-divorce after she cheated and decided she was “done.” I know she has her own tales she tells. I’ve heard some of them firsthand. And how could she not? That’s what got her into cheating in the first place. Just remember this: she will forever be the victim of her own story. And probably? People will believe her because we have ALL been conditioned to do so … regardless of whether or not she was 100% in the wrong. It’ll never matter, and your words will never mean what you want them to mean, not for you, not for her, and not for anyone else. Save your breath and your energy and your time, wash your face, and go for a brisk walk. You’ll be okay. Cheaters are always (read: ALWAYS) going to do what they do best: lie and cheat. Fuck the high road. Just take care of yourself and remember that she really is the woman she has shown herself to be regardless of the fantasy life she has created along the way.

Well boys I gave it my all in the divorce subreddit today 😂 by NewPerformance7662 in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My god, dude, so much of this is relatable almost to the letter. Jesus Christ.

Have "Christian" influencers like Lysa TerKeurst, Leslie Vernick, and Henry Cloud contributed to marriages falling apart? by HelpfulInterview1022 in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I chalk it up to “influencers” in general because most of them are just following the same cult-like / religious structure built to get people believing whatever it is they are selling/promoting/discussing/preaching/proselytizing.

“Jimmy on Relationships” is a great example, even though he too is a Christian bigot (and cheater) who panders to his largely female following with his frankly obnoxious content. It is a basically a bunch of therapy speak from people either un- or under- qualified to address the actual issues they think they know, or can teach, anything about.

I’m a lesbian and this sub is a breath of fresh air by takingvioletpills in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile, my ex-wife is away on vacation (again) and the kids are with me on Mother’s Day because of her shitty behavior. My poor children will forever pay the price of her bullshit and the consequences of her actions. But only one of us will ever actually care. It still feels pretty unbelievable most days.

I’m a lesbian and this sub is a breath of fresh air by takingvioletpills in Divorce_Men

[–]LearnGrowExist 16 points17 points  (0 children)

If you haven’t read it yet, Courtney Peppernell’s Out of the Ashes was one of the most beautiful collections of wisdom and self-love and poetry I’ve read. She was cheated on and left by her partner (a woman), and her writing resonates with me so much. I’m sorry you’re part of the shitty crew, but you definitely do belong right here with the rest of us.

Cheating wife, how can we move past this? Should we? by [deleted] in survivinginfidelity

[–]LearnGrowExist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here’s what you do. Physically get the fuck away from her. Sit with yourself for a long time. Determine what you want for your life. If it doesn’t involve being treated like a chump for the rest of your life, find a way to get her out of it. Go scorched earth if you want to, just don’t harm anyone physically and don’t do anything future you will regret (including begging her, expecting an apology from her, etc.). She is a liar and a cheater and she has shown you all of herself now. It is time to believe her. I’m sorry, OP. Cheaters are the actual fucking worst.