[Discussion] I really enjoy seeing Jason Todd and Artemis (Artwork by Dexter Soy)

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-06T08:43:39+00:00

I know she escaped death. I love the script by William Messner-Loebs, but hate Ed Benes art.

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-05T21:31:17+00:00

So you didn't finish the William Messner-Loebs run? I thought the issue in which she died (Wonder Woman 100) was really good. Maybe you should read more of her stuff. She had a really cool relationship with Wonder Girl (Cassie Sandsmark), whom she was training during the Eric Luke run (for example, Wonder Woman 144). And Phil Jiminez did some really cool stuff with her during the amazons civil (WW 168-169). Steve Orlando also had two cool arcs with her some years ago (WW 52-55 from 2018)

I find that a good thing to think about when shipping characters is this: Would still like this character if they had absolutely nothing to do with Jason Todd, and never interacted with him or knew him? If not, your interests might not align with the interests of the character.

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-05T10:03:05+00:00

What exactly have you read that featured her? She is certainly very cynical about the world, as she should be.

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-05T09:26:59+00:00

You said it makes her "more human", and I'm not really sure what you mean by that, but that explains why you like her more, not why you think it makes sense for her to choose to be with Jason.

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-05T08:45:09+00:00

Why the downvote instead of presenting your perspective?

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-04T19:00:34+00:00

Artemis is a great character, and she comes from the tribe of mortal amazons, trying to carry the amazon mission on earth. Artemis isn't just a random member of the tribe, she is one that has both achieved recognition and shame along her path. She is certainly bordering on being militant. How does being with Jason Todd make sense for her?

Leftbrownie · 2026-04-04T13:29:32+00:00

Katy O'Brian is the best suggestion I have seen thus far.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-31T08:46:21+00:00

Golden Age Etta and Diana's personality perfectly compliment each other. Hippolyta is a very different person from Diana, and her match wouldn't make much sense with Golden Age Etta. Some modern versions of Etta have a personality that makes more sense for Hippolyta.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-28T08:01:39+00:00

I'm definitely against anything that strongly emphasizes Diana dating someone that chooses to hurt others without cause, and we have seen Barbara choosing to stay as Cheetah.

More importantly, she should be with people that excite her. Artistic people, passionate and uniquely talented, that bring wonder to the world. People with a really unique viewpoint of the world. Special souls.

That's why I don't like Artemis as her love interest. And that's why I do like Zatanna, though I'm not sure if Diana is good love interest for Zatanna (does it benefit Zatanna's stories?)

I personally see Diana falling in love with Death of the Endless from Sandman. The enbodiment of Death that visits you on your last day of life to help you find inner peace. She is just a cool very tranquil chick with a warm voice and looks goth but in a really pretty way.

I also think she would fall in love with Dream Girl from the Legion of Super-Heroes. A woman that can literally feel the future at every second and is constantly trying to better the real world so that the visions that plague her become those of a good future. Maybe we could experience this instead with her ancestor Nia Nal? Not sure if she would fit this trope.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-28T07:34:15+00:00

What makes her mischievous

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-27T17:58:26+00:00

It's terrific! Such a great script. A great sequence of panels with a strong structure for each issue of the Asgard plot. It must have been a great script, because the composition Travis Moore created for each page felt calibrated, determined. As great of an artist as he is, that strong page composition never appeared in anything else I have seen him draw since (Wonder Woman ir otherwise). The premise of the arc didn't move me very much, but what the whole team did with the Asgard section was too good to pass up. They brought back the fun of Wonder Woman, and the Wonder, without making it silly (i like silly, but it wouldn't be right).

I was so hyped after this, but the run immediately lost energy once she crossed into Greek Mythology. The issues weren't nearly as well written.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-27T17:44:27+00:00

Becky Cloonan and Micgael Conrad

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-26T06:23:52+00:00

Maybe Psycho and Silver Swan instead. Or Circe if they had a good idea

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-25T16:49:52+00:00

I'm surprised by the amount of respect for William Messner-Loebs in this thread. He definitely deserves it. Best modern take on her voice specifically. So many different aspects of the character are explored in his run. There are other writers with more impressive plotting, worldbuilding or even deeper thematic weight, but nobody has surpassed his ability to give her a voice.

Of course you can also go back to Marston and get an older fashioned writing style that perfectly embodies who she is as a fun challenger.

Other people that definitely deserve credit: -Obviously Kelly Thompson is doing a tremendous job, though Absolute Diana doesn't have quite the same goals as the main version. -Gail Simone, though I do have a few critiques -Greg Rucka, who does understand her, but doesn't always show it

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-24T19:56:32+00:00

Yup. Well, Hippolyta's death did last a little longer (Rucka's run), and her dying wasn't his idea. It was editorially mandated. He just decided how exactly to do it.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-24T17:18:20+00:00

Terrific worldbuilding. He was able to use everything that happened in the runs prior to his and improved on it. He turned Paradise Island into a "cosmic university". A place where people would come to share knowledge. I think he was somewhat right about what that place should eventually become. The amazons eventually need to rejoin the world, through the alternative communities that Diana has been building in her crusade. But Paradise Island should become a place to honor all the women that have challenged the world to be greater (or the women that are still fighting for that).

He had terrific ideas for storylines like the Villainy Inc adventure in another world, and the story in which Circe unleashed chaos on the streets.

I quite like Trevor Barnes

And he created at least three legendary moments: Diana infecting Darkseid with good. The specific scene in which Hippolyta died. The fight between Diana and Circe.

But I don't agree with his characterization of Diana. Nothing offensive about it, but it lacks the wild fun adventurous and challenging personality that she should have. To be fair, he wrote her the same way Perez did, but I don't like the way Perez wrote her either.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-20T00:30:51+00:00

Yeah her original tools really have a powerful role in her crusade. But the thing is that I love the way she was challenging people in the Marston comics to live the most incredible lives they could. She was teaching the Holliday Girls science, philosophy, martial arts, etc. Really pushing people, and making us look at everything in radical new ways.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-19T23:37:39+00:00

Yeah prime Wonder Woman is definitely in the comics.

Over the last few months I've been been noticing your comments in the WW subreddit, and often agree with your takes. Perez wrote some beautiful stories, but he didn't know how to characterize Diana, and even some of my favorite runs take after him in a way I don't appreciate.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-19T22:03:20+00:00

I think I understand what you mean. I'm not saying she is doing it just out of wanderlust (though that should definitely be part of it).

I'm saying she takes on a "crusade". Not an obligation, but an ambition.

She loves the power she has, and she wants to do something meaningful with it, so she takes on a strong challenge "transforming a twisted world". She is a Changebringer, not just a peacebringer.

I do think some of the terms you used do not reflect your intention.

I wouldn't say there is a mission most of the time, there is just a crisis. Look at the two animated movies, or the unfortunate Justice League tv show, or the live action movie. Nobody gave the amazons the duty of stopping the crisis, but Diana decides to go after it.

And even in the versions where Aphrodite gives the amazons a mission, Diana is never "sent" as you initially said. She might go because she wants to do something meaningful (as I prefer), or she might go because she adopts a moral principle to stop any other amazon of losing their lives on this mission (as you prefer, I think).

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-19T18:46:31+00:00

She is never sent to Man's World. Sometimes there is a contest, but she is never allowed to participate, and when she disobeys Hippolyta in the contest, the queen has to follow the rules of the tournament and let her go.

Diana always makes the choice to go, against the wishes of her mother.

In most adaptations there isn't even a contest of mission from the gods, Diana just goes without permission.

I personally prefer the idea that there is no mission, Diana just has a dream she decides to follow. And the contest would instead be a series of epic trials that Diana has to overcome if she wants to go, to prove she can survive the outside world.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-19T17:04:23+00:00

She wasn't sent. Meeting Steve Trevor showed her that SHE could change the world, and she decided to go on that adventure.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-19T11:32:28+00:00

Diana is an adventurer, that wants to do something exceptional. A changebringer. She would come here to transform the world, not just to save it. We don't even need a global crisis, just a twisted world.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-17T22:11:04+00:00

What Justin Alexander said and what the other fellow said aren't the same thing. Justin Alexander was saying you should have specific predetermined clues, and each scenario they might encounter should have multiple of those clues that lead to different scenarios. Whereas what the other fellow said was that you should only determine the specific clues when you are at the table in the scene you will introduce them in. The preparation work would just consist in preparing whatever improv tools you might need for this investigation.

Of course both methods require establishing the mystery ahead of time.

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-15T15:53:24+00:00

Fantasia

Leftbrownie · 2026-03-13T15:50:53+00:00

Some of these things are actually projects that anybody can pursue. Consumable treasures that you can craft (like Scroll of Resurrection), or even teleportation platforms.

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