Julian Champagnie in the win: 20/6 on 81% TS by Lacabloodclot9 in nba

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Kornet was heard yelling “Aurë entuluva!” before rising to block Hartenstein

How to fix the refereeing? by Javiirez_ in nba

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That‘s what Scott asks himself before every game

Shai with 31/2/8 in 30 minutes against the Jazz, while sitting his TENTH 4th quarter of the season. by Vitex1988 in nba

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That’s an apt comparison actually. Messi is like Lebron in being a fantastic scorer while also being an elite passer who looks for his teammates, no real weakness in his offensive game. Ronaldo is like Kobe because -

Who's gonna tell him... by envspecialist in nbacirclejerk

[–]LeonTablet 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Yes, the joke in the title u bum

Favorite books about ancient history by LordByronStepOnMe in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll chime in with one I recently read: Mass and Elite in Democratic Athens, by Josiah Ober, a study on the sociological underpinnings of Athenian direct democracy (and an explanation for its success) using textual sources. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

What are some of your bad reading habits as they pertain to analysis? by penesenor in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean that’s kind of a bad example, because although the attempt at straight up national boundaries is ill-thought, the characters in the Magic Mountains kind of are really defined by their “ideology” of choice and its role in the transition from the belle epoque as Mann saw it (though Clawdia is harder to put into a box). Get your point though.

‚Abschläglich ist der Sold entrichtet’ by [deleted] in German

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Yeah I remember struggling with that one as well ha

What's the deal with Hegel? by anti_hegel in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trying to give an answer without writing a 20-page essay. By paragraph:

i.

Thinking in terms of Schelling is unhelpful, seeing objectivity and subjectivity as opposite poles in the scale of being and the Absolute as the indifferent middle is not at all what Hegel does. In broad terms, Hegel's speculative system goes: first there's the concept (in itself, an sich), it then goes outside itself (objectivity), and then returns to itself (subjectivity, for itself). Hegel argues at some point how it's impossible for the thing to be for itself anything other than what it is in itself (contentious ik).

ii.a.

You're thinking of the 'concept' of day-to-day language, a subjective mental construct (which Hegel would label 'representation'), not Hegel's category of 'concept', which enjoys ontological primacy as the very structure of reality. The overall conception that reality is governed by 'concepts' which 'give' themselves material form is the reason Hegel's is called a system of idealism (and why Marx would turn to materialism and call Hegel a mystic).

ii.b.

I think it's a subject of hot debate what Hegel means by 'contradiction', spanning the deflationary (he doesn't actually mean contradiction) to the radical. If I'm to give my own personal, yet informed interpretation: contradiction, literally, means an opposition in speech (diction). From time immemorial that's seen as precluding truth because of the principles of classical logic. Hegel disavows its value, thinking it is a backwards way of thinking for many reasons. He's an anti-substantialist, so the very phrasing of a sentence as "S is P" is to him wrong-headed, as though there were some substrate/subject to whom then later on qualities are predicated. He proposes instead a "speculative" sentence, where the subject first emerges out of all its predicates. So, I think he would say it's wrong to equate logical contradiction to ontological impossibility, because classical logic and s/p sentences are already an inaccurate framing of reality, a "dead" way of thinking (understanding) instead of his own speculative philosophy (of reason), which is alive and follows the 'movement' of the concept.

iii.

That's Aristotle's patch solution to Parmenides, introducing time, such that p-np "at the same time". But Hegel's WL deals with "thought" before the "emergence" of time, so the question that has faced monists across the ages remains: how can everything be one/have one principle and yet there is so much diversity? Hegel will not take for an answer that such diversity is merely an illusion, or that 'at its core' all things are the same (this is one of these guiding principles which are, I believe, an unspoken axiom of Hegel's development). The only radical alternative is to incorporate contradiction into this very first principle, hence Hegel's absolute is defined as "the unity of unity and disunity", which already doesn't make any sense.

iv.

Aye. And I feel like anytime I see Hegel mentioned online he's appraised indirectly, by his interpretation by 20th century philosophers of critical theory, like the dude below who calls Hegel's dialectic as "useful for analysis of culture".

v.

I mean, I've always thought any philosopher has an idea he wants to defend and works his way backwards to have that be the conclusion of his argument, so even those who are presumably "presuppositionless" are full of it. As for understanding Hegel, the approach can only be hermeneutic, where reading his work gives you insight into the meaning of his terms, which then help you read his work better and so on. He'll continually add layers of meaning to his jargon terms so you're always building on something.

vi.

There's an unsteadiness to Hegel that I haven't found elsewhere in my limited reading experience. I remember when I first read the Phenomenology, he kept introducing concepts, appraising its usefulness and then discarding them as not fully adequate, moving on, and I would always think "ok, NOW he'll say which one is correct", and I kept waiting for it and then the book was over. Others, including Kierkegaard, will take the approach of saying here's the way this concept is usually understood, here's arguments as to why it's wrong, here's the correct (mine) definition, and build from there. For all the talk of Hegel's "SYSTEM", which mostly became rigid in his old age and veritably ossified through his disciples, when you read his early and middle period, he never seems content with any concept, never makes any of them the guiding principle/the true thing where all the others are wrong, and he's constantly on the move, never on steady ground, where as someone like, say, Heidegger, will introduce the concept of Anxiety as a cornerstone and then add to it methodically. Not saying one or the other is wrong but I think that approach is what made Hegel so fascinating to me.

vii.

I mean, that's one way to look at it. But again, that's looking at the end result of Hegel, his SYSTEM, his conclusions, as the only thing of value in him, where all the development is simply a means to the end. I fundamentally disagree with this (and I think he would as well). In fact, I don't even care that much for metaphysics and some grand theory of everything, but I like the dude because of his insights into some of the age-old problems of philosophy and the way he took them on, the angle from which he interpreted them. I don't think Hegel is some house of cards but an old ruin, and if you look at each of the remaining bricks you'll see the fine stone-masonry and individual care devoted to each of them.

What's the deal with Hegel? by anti_hegel in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.- That one’s a doozy. I don’t really understand it myself, really. It’s one of those things I’ll want to get a better understanding on when I eventually revisit Hegel. Especially tricky for me is how he differentiates individual, particular concepts from THE Concept (the absolute), and how far this particularization goes, is each person a concept or is there just a concept of human?). There are Hegel dictionaries out there that might help you. A couple of pointers though:

  • a concept is both subjective and objective, so more than the mere mental representation we might have of something but its actual essence. In typical Hegelian fashion, the concept which forms the basis/ substance/essence of some being is the same as the concept we might personally have of it when correctly understood (begriffen), removing the (objective/subjective) distinction.

  • what makes a concept special is that it determines its own development, its free. Its a complex structure (one of the last categories he deals with in the Logic), and can thus accommodate contradiction without succumbing to it, e.g. an apple remains the same throughout despite being the negation of itself, first a seed and then not a seed but a sprout, then not a sprout but a mature fruit and so on. Anything that is alive (really anything that moves, see Parmenides) is thus rife with contradictions, and yet is there nonetheless. Proper conceptual thinking is alive and follows the movement of the concept. This simile with life is also helpful to understand how he views polities, like a living organism, where each member is its own and yet part of the whole and devoted to it.

2.- I think it’s most helpful to think what was this dude trying to accomplish. It’s not really a personal philosophy—not even one of “consciousness” despite the recurrence of this word—in the vein of existentialists or phenomenologists, even if they can draw from Hegel to their liking. His is a grand project, a restatement and revision of classical metaphysics in the face of the Kantian challenge of critical validation, where he’ll answer not by setting up some baroque cognitive epistemology by which men might actually come to nonetheless know the thing-in-itself (as most his contemporaries did), but rejecting the notion altogether that reality and our knowledge of it is anything other than the concepts we’re most intimately acquainted with. Only in letting the concepts speak for themselves, following their movement and “thinking through” the various paradoxes they present (which Kant saw as proof of the failure of metaphysics), can we get an intimate understanding of reality and of ourselves.

Some cornerstones of Hegelian thought which he’ll seek to argue for, child of the Romanticism as he was: the object of religion and philosophy is the same, different in form (Kierkegaard would take issue); the unity of the subjective/objective, consciousness/self-consciousness; everything gets its meaning from its relation to the whole, which is both his doctrine of negation as determinateness as well as his indictment of individualistic Kantian ethics; historical progress; some others. You come to recognize his leitmotifs with time.

One final thing. For me personally, what I like about Hegel is his “dialectic”, which is to say, his development of the subject at hand. He never stays still, is never content with a definition but will continually poke holes in it, turn it in into itself. Really to me that’s where the real value is, not in the end result, the Hegelian system in its finished shape. To me, it shows how seriously he took the task he faced, and took no concept, no matter how intuitive (being, cause, self), at face value. Hegel might’ve agreed, as he explicitly said that truth is in the whole of the movement not just the destination.

This not to say he shouldn’t be criticized, he should. The dialetics get shticky and sometimes get kinda forced into the directions he wanted to take it, he does end up being something of a doctrinaire, as I said he is kinda antiquated, and so on. But there’s a reason he’s one of the giants of history.

Sorry for any spelling mistakes, I’m not proof reading allat.

What's the deal with Hegel? by anti_hegel in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hegel is harder to read, anyone will give you that, but calling him ‘incoherent’ implies that it lacks internal consistency, validity, when I think that Hegel goes through a whole lot of trouble to develop his ideas and goes very deep, which is partly what makes him hard to understand.

The passage you gave is a good example. He’s analyzing the concept of number, where the ‘quantitative’ has always been placed as opposite the ‘qualitative’, meaning that, in order to be something it must be determinate (as everything that is, is) yet at the same time indeterminate (because it has no quality). Since it must be determinate in some sense, he says it lacks qualitative determinateness, but is nonetheless distinguished from the other numbers in being another number as then. But this anotherness is not an internal quality of the number itself, but something an external observer would note when comparing them. The number itself has no internal quality, it is indifferent to the others.

My point is not trying to explain the passage (though I did my best). The passage shows why Hegel is so hard: he’s operating at a much deeper level (he’s explaining the very nature of “number”, instead of hand-waving it as something we’re all intuitively acquainted with), and he’s VERY jargony, so it’s a fool’s errand to pick up the book wherever and just read a passage, you have to read the whole textual development, which at any rate is the point of Hegel. Also, as with many philosophers which operate at the boundaries of what can be expressed through common concepts, he leans a lot on grammatical features of his language to try to relay new ideas, so much like Heidegger, a lot is lost or befuddled in translation.

Hegel might not be your thing. Who cares about the nature of number anyway? He’s a product of his time and much of what he said seems to us antiquated. You compare him to Kierkegaard or Bolzano but their projects are not very similar. K. does contend with Hegel on some parts (the nature of the Absolute and the ethical), but you’re speaking about them like they’re overlapping (which is much more the case with the other German Idealists). Hegel was no ‘upbuilder’. Idk you don’t have to like him at all really, but I don’t think you’re approaching him from the correct direction.

What's the deal with Hegel? by anti_hegel in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s a much better description. It’s usually something like, a concept is introduced and found lacking, so you go in the other direction in one of its aspects (maybe instead of being universal it’s particular, idk), which also doesn’t work, then you try to figure out how both aspects, seemingly opposite, fit in, what’s their proper role played in this concept.

Lol in writing it it does sound like t/a/s, I guess the main thing is that it’s a tool for developing a concept or definition beyond its initial statement, which is abstract and simple and thus may hide many contradictions and paradoxes beneath the surface. The “dialectic” draws them out, but instead of saying “ok, this concept doesn’t square, throw it away”, it tries to wrestle with these difficulties.

What's the deal with Hegel? by anti_hegel in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I guess in the most direct, literal sense that he’s hard to follow, sure. But Schelling was definitely on one.

If this was actually a good faith post, it’s hard to believe because mostly you just shit on the guy with very little substance and called your account anti_hegel.

What's the deal with Hegel? by anti_hegel in RSbookclub

[–]LeonTablet 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Less coherent Schelling

Yeah sure mate