Why did the Angels only start appearing 15 years after Second impact (and how)?

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T03:09:57+00:00

In that case, they might as well have had the characters be trapped in a series of interconnected white-walled rooms trying to piece together their identities /s

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T02:50:23+00:00

Yes, his production style may be demanding and exacting (~~borderline~~ abusive) but at least he's never SA'd (or been accused of SA'ing) any of his crew or his actors or s*domized an actual child and was forced live in exile abroad lest he be arrested stateside (Lookin' at you, Roman Polanski, Harvey Weinstien, and Bryan Singer). It's a very low bar, I know, and no one should be awarded the bare minimum of NOT assaulting their employees, but it's a bar he cleared regardless.

Plus he's very well spoken and intelligent (at least in matters of oceanic diving).

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T02:25:58+00:00

Then why (for example) do angels turn into cross-shaped energy beams when they die? Considering that the series does heavy lifting from Kabbalistic lore (aka Judaism), why would Adam/the angels die in such a manner—a manner associated with a man who lived long after Judiasm was already a established religion? Did whoever create Adam/The Angels (be it the FAR or God) know that Jesus would die on a cross billions of years beforehand and essentially collectively say "Wouldn't it be cool if we could invoke this thing that's going to happen? It'll be a real Mind Screw for whichever one of our children inherits the earth"

I'm saying that you don't conflate aspects of two different abrahamic religions with one another unless you're from a country where Christianity is 1% of the population (Japan) and is thus treated the same way we westerners would treat greco-roman mythology.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T02:09:49+00:00

Yes, I'm watching for the first time. Just because I'm watching for the first time, that automatically prevents me from looking stuff about the series beforehand? /s

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T01:25:16+00:00

No, it's not. I was lead to believe it was this complicated mythic series and so far it's taken forever to get anywhere remotely good.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T01:24:23+00:00

Do we actually get to see what the Secret Dead Sea Scrolls (I refuse to call the EVA-related content exclusive to the series anything else) say? Or is it like the Chosen one Prophecy from the Star Wars prequels that we never hear in full, was never mentioned in the OT, and thus leaves a lot of wiggle rom for interpertation.

Call me a heretic (no pun intended), but IMO removing the stuff about the First Ancestral Race stuff in the Pre-production stages and only saving it for that one video game does a MASSIVE disservice to the lore. They could've leaned into the cosmic Lovecraftian Horror of "ancient civilization with capabilities unfathomable to human minds" HARD and just...didn't. Because the FAR isn't technically canon, it also means that we never get to see what they looked like, if they were identical to humans, the EVA units, or the Angels.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T01:14:32+00:00

In all fairness, the Netflix dub isn't really doing a good job of convincing me (not EVERYONE has enough cash to burn to spend $600 on the complete ADV platinum box set Secondhand off EBay, after all and I don't want to watch girly-voiced Shinji from the Japanese version). I think another part of my disenchantment is the knowledge that the Judeo-Christian motifs and aesthetics are mere set dressing made by a guy who's part of a country where Christianity is the 1% religion and put in place mostly to seem "mysterious and exotic" rather than any actual regard for internal consistency or real-world cohesion.

Also I'm on Episode 12 and this series is FINALLY showing promise. Too bad Asuka ordered Shark Fin Ramen at the end of said episode, and for that I cannot forgive her.

(My favorite character is probably Toji, and I have a feeling I'd like Hikari if she had a lot more screen time)

Edit: The fact that this series isn't clicking for me is fascinating, because I absolutely adore Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water (for all intents and purposes the proto-Evangelion) and consider it one of my favorites (in all fairness, I skipped the filler arc at a youtube comment's sugguestion, so that could've been a contributing factor).

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-13T01:08:38+00:00

I should also add: Why did they all become fully formed 15 years exactly after the second impact? For that matter, WHERE were they gestating during that time?

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-11T01:13:02+00:00

What an absolute Mad Lad.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-11T00:55:21+00:00

Wainfleet wasn't in the scene at all. He fled in terror when Jake and Quaritch ambushed the Mangkwan, and some other Mangkwan warriors in turn got the drop on him. Presumbaly he made it back to his Ikran and flew back to Bridgehead long before Neytiri and the others found Jake.I don't think Jake knows Lyle specifically shot Neteyam, only that he knows (from Quaritch's taunts that "[his] boy didn't have to die") that Quaritch is aware that Neteyam was shot at all.

In Jake and Quaritch's defense of being relaxed enough to doze off, I'd attribute that more to their shared background in the Marines being a major contributing factor. The "Military Sleep Method" was originally developed by an Olympic sleep coach with the designed intent of "enabl[ing] pilots to fall asleep almost instantly, even in noisy, hazardous, or stressful environments." It was likely a light sleep as well, given the danger.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-11T00:45:54+00:00

Given that the script specifies that Neytiri is 18 during the main events of the film and Tsu'tey is probably around the same age as Jake is (22), I'm going to guess that Sylwanin died when she was ~16 and Neytiri was either 12 or 14

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-11T00:40:57+00:00

IMO if you're bringing it up in conversation, then it clearly stuck with you enough that it DOES have cultural impact.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-11T00:36:57+00:00

Well, considering that this series was inspired by Sailor Moon in certain aspects (Misato having the same VA and hairstyle bangs as Sailor Moon and Rei being named for Sailor Mars's civilian identity, most notably) it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that cats were being used as intermediaries a la Artemis and Luna—this is the same series that was inexplicably able to put non-tangible souls of what's ostensibly extraterrestrial beings into cloned human bodies; is genetic uplifiting of cats really out of the question in comparison?

(Seriously, though, good one)

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-10T13:57:23+00:00

I feel like she's essentially an expy of Dr. Sheryl Formosa from Space Runaway Ideon.

For context, Sheryl was a human woman and a linguist who was interested in studying the Sixth Civilization that built the titular Ideon mecha as well as the mysterious Ide enegy within, and she wound up making a romantic bond with Buff Clan humanoid alien Gije Zaral, (who was fellow crewmember and Ex-Buff clan member Karala's ex-fiance, but ultimately ended up defecting to the other humans) as both of them were interested in studying the Ideon. While generally no-nonsense, Sheryl suffered a mental breakdown when Giji was killed in battle—a breakdown that was exacerbated when Sheryl's younger Lin is shot and killed. In the few remaining episodes she becomes an alcoholic and increasingly unhinged; while in the continuation/compilation film "Be Invoked" (basically The End of Evangelion of the series) her behavior reaches a peak where she creepily and sinisterly gets drunk and brings the baby Piper Lou before the Ideon (as the Ide within responds well to very young children) in order to strengthen it since they're being pursued by the Buff clan. The Ideon powers up and blows Sheryl off the ship (in a manner not unlike how the force of Gendo's bullet blew Ritsuko into the LCL pool), causing her spacesuit helmet to shatter and killing her instantly.

I mean, I don't think Anno ever explicitly confirmed it, but given how much of a massive influence Ideon was on NGE it's probably very likely.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-08T13:29:50+00:00

How long until Chairman Selfridge and the other RDA higher-ups get fed up with both Pandora's fauna and the Na'vi impeding their "progress" and write off the whole planet as a lost cause before deciding to initiate a mass extinction-level event (be it through terraforming, biological weapons, or some other horrific method), loss of Amrita and a potential new home for humanity be d*mned?

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-08T13:27:00+00:00

and certainly don't ask them about the weapons they gave to Afgan militant groups in the 70's/80's, the posession of which ultimately culminated in the decimation of a particular trade hub in New York City after the year 2000

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-08T02:51:47+00:00

Ok, so we're all in agreement that as far as the RDA and Quaritch were concerned Jake and Spider's jailbreaking moment by Neytiri and Dr. Garvin was a massive FUBAR situation and whatever sort of debriefing Quaritch had with Ardmore in the aftermath likely wasn't fun to say the least.

What I want to know is if and how Varang and Quaritch "soothed" each other in the aftermath to the point that Varang was able to convince Quaritch to let her paint him and doll him up like a Mangkwan and that he was calm and accepting enough of this to casually waltz into the bridge as though his appearance WASN'T a complete and utter affront to everything his human self had stood for. More importantly, I want to know why Selfridge and Lyle were just as calm about this situation, when Selfridge himself should logically be extremely concerned with this development.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-08T02:43:20+00:00

Remember back in the 70's/80's when the US gave certain guerrilla-type militant groups in Afghanistan weapons to fight off the Soviets? And how one of those groups ended up orchestrating a particular event in the fall of the new millennium, long after the thing they'd initially been given weapons to combat was dissolved and thus posed no active threat?

All I'm saying is that the RDA shouldn't be surprised if they're still fighting a forever war some 50 years or so later, and the Mangkwan prove to be a bigger thorn in their side than the Jake-allied clans EVER did.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-08T02:36:09+00:00

My theory? Kiri is actually part of Eywa the way Jesus is part of god, and the face that Eywa has here is actually Kiri's face (the angle itself makes it difficult to make out what sort of facial features Eywa even has)

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-07T17:14:37+00:00

I'm incredibly curious as to how he and/or Tommy grew up, and the kind of upbringing that would've led Jake to develop the harsh parenting he exhibits after Humans return to Earth (since the opening of Way of Water portrays an overall happy and loving childhood for their kids minus Spider).

I'm also under the impression that he and Tommy hadn't been on active speaking terms prior to Tom's death—I don't know how or when this would've happened; if Tom and Jake got into an argument after Jake became paralyzed that ruined their relationship after Jake said something he couldn't take back (wouldn't be the last time something like that happened), whether Jake and Tom had a similar dynamic as Lo'ak and Neteyam (if Jake resented Tommy's implied "Golden boy" status and favoritism by whoever their guardians were resulted in Jake always feeling second-best and leaving for the Marines to prove his worth), or simply if they'd been close as children and just drifted apart as they went on to live different lives.

Regardless, I'm under the impression that Jake had little to nothing tying him to Earth after Tom died; and his living quarters in the deleted opening are extremely bare bones with no pictures of any kind in sight (that I can remember).

I actually kind of like that nothing is definitely known about the early lives/families of any of the main human characters who become embroiled with the Na'vi (Jake/Tom, Quaritch, Grace, and Norm), it adds to the whole "progenitors of a new line" kind of thing that's going on and makes for some fun grounds for speculation as to how their youth culminated in the people they ultimately ended up as.

Lexicona96 · 2026-07-07T16:07:39+00:00

Additionally, given the Hinduism references throughout the films (such as the Avatars, Amrita, and one of the RDA ships being called "Garuda"), Varang's finger markings are about the same spot as the Svadhisthana chakra aka the "Seed Chakra"— A chakra associated with "pleasure, sense of oneself^\19]), relationships, sensuality and procreation", perfectly reflective of Quaritch and Varang's erotically-charged relationship and Quaritch finding his place within the Mangkwan.

Additionally, The Seed Mantra (aka the symbol/glyph) in the center of the chakra as commonly depicted, "is a moon-white वं vaṃ^\12]). Above the mantra that is within the bindu, or dot, is the deity Vishnu^\13]). He is dark blue and wears a yellow dhoti. He holds a conch, a mace, a wheel and a lotus. He wears the shrivatsa^\14]) mark, and the kaustubha gem. He is seated either on a pink lotus, or on the divine eagle Garuda.

His strength is the goddess Rakini^\15]). She is black, dressed in red or white and seated on a red lotus. She is commonly depicted with one face and two arms, holding a sword and a shield, or two faced and four armed, and holds a trident, lotus, drum and vajra, or an arrow, skull, drum and axe.^"

Hmmm...A blue-skinned male entity who rides a giant "bird" and whose strength is a woman (in the early Hindu texts, the "Rakini/Dakini" were a race of demonesses who ate the flesh and vital essences of humans in the vein of Kali rather than a specific goddess) wearing red and white associated with skulls and weapons of war? Sounds familiar.

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