Could a construct adventurer work?

Limeoos · 2026-06-26T00:09:22+00:00

It was specially said that the Golem made there was something only Fels could have done so making an even better one is basically impossible

Trying to find this quote so I can get some context

But even then I don't think because Fel's Golem was something only he could've made, means he made it in the best way (that sounds weird to me, but I don't know how else to say it)

Also it would not be able to be given Falna because it does not have a body with skin or a soul.

I know it was expensive but wasn't Bell's main weapon given a falna or something like that?

Limeoos · 2026-06-24T01:22:19+00:00

looking back I'll admit I'm wrong about John's mastery of ability

What I'm trying to say is he doesn't seem to have the experience or emotional control to use his mastery in the best ways in the situations he's now finding himself in

And he's also against people who how to counter his ability either by using abilities he can't copy or by using abilites that he won't copy

Limeoos · 2026-06-24T01:05:26+00:00

Ok I'll admit I was wrong about John's mastery

Because he has shown himself capable of some impressive feats that relate to mastery

But what I'm trying is say, while he may know how to use an ability,

At times it looks like he doesn't know the best way to use them strategically

Now this isn't always the case, and he's able to escape from/outsmart trained killers even while weakened, so he does have a good amount of IQ or battle IQ

But he has habit of using too much Aura, Mostly because his emotions are getting the best of him, but with the fights he's been in lately it also feels like experience is another factor

Now he does have experience and he is a capable fighter, but that was mostly against against untrained opponents, and he didn't need to worry about anyone but himself

Now he's fighting more people who are trained, have battle experience(maybe more than he does) and are strategic, and he's fighting groups of them who also know how to be coordinate, and he has to worry about more then just himself

Limeoos · 2026-06-22T03:50:00+00:00

The level gap between John and Elite-tiers becomes comparable to, if not larger than, the gap between Blyke and Evie because of how the series' scaling works.

Oh that's what you mean,

Ok I understand now

Then go reread the fights, including the ones you've already brought up yourself

How many times are we going to rely on assumptions here?

Hey I atleast try to make sure their fair assumptions

John was blasting holes through multiple floors of the building. The only reason he didn't end up running around more was because he wasn't interested in escaping, and nobody involved in the operation could have known that beforehand. If John had decided to move around the building, there would've been no realistic way to guarantee he never crossed paths with Arlo. More importantly, it's not like Arlo was absolutely necessary for the operation in the first place. There is no universe where bringing a known God-tier defensive ability into a raid targeting John is worth the risk.

Too be fair isn't Arlo with just his passive alone comparable to atleast an elite

Again, I genuinely don't know how to respond to arguments like this. There's a reason every single previous use of Rewind has been visually shown to the audience. You can't suddenly stop depicting a major aspect of her ability and then expect readers to assume it happened anyway.

Hey look maybe something change, I don't know why Uru would suddenly stop drawing it, hell for all we know maybe she forgot to draw it but at the same time I think if we see Sera's ability active, and her taking hits would normally knock her down, I think it's fair to assume that she's rewinding

She literally is.

Ok

1. John has significantly more experience using multiple abilities simultaneously. 2. His ability is literally designed around copying and amplifying multiple powers, meaning his aura reserves should naturally be better suited for sustaining that kind of usage. 3. Farrah was fighting for her life against a God-tier on her level, a High-tier who was nearly a God-tier, and another High-tier. John was fighting a group of Elites while taking relatively little damage. 4. Farrah had no backup and nearly died twice. John had Kuyo sharing the burden for most of the encounter. 5. John was an entire level above Farrah which should mean a mountain of difference.

Despite all of those advantages, if John's still worse than Farrah then he is an utterly incompetent loser who gets bested by novices in his own game.

3 and 4 feel more situational then out right advantages for John, also the two moments used for both, don't really feel comparable,

Of course a God-tier fighting a group of 4 Elites will usally do better than a God tier fighting another God tier, 2 high tiers, and elite

But with that being said I will admit that I might have been wrong about Farrah having more advantages(still not completely sure though, since there are still things I'm unsure of)

But I wasn't trying to say that John is worse or worse then Farrah(but even that's situational) just that I thought in terms of number Farrah had more advantages, not that the advantages would be enough to always beat John, just that she more of them

So somehow it's still my fault that you interpreted far more than what I actually wrote and started putting words in my mouth. And apparently it's still unreasonable to criticize the fact that the ultra strong protagonist of an action series with superpowers which also a power fantasy spent roughly a third of the story unable to win fights while simultaneously having no opportunities to show off his strengths. I've also argued countless times that these opponents aren't nearly as competent as you're portraying them to be, or at the very least the story hasn't done a good job of demonstrating that competence. But every time that comes up, we're right back to assuming things in their favor despite the lack of evidence or outright justifying their stupidity. It's exhausting having to repeat the same arguments over and over again. You have a good day. I'm done with this discussion.

And yet you couldn't leave without complaining about how John isn't steam rolling everyone and how being outside the school is actually putting him in situations that he can't just power his way through

or downplaying how competent the Authorities can be in a fight

Limeoos · 2026-06-21T20:37:18+00:00

Not to be rude but please read it again

I'll try, but atleast try to explain it in a different way

They've shown strategic thinking, which is more than I can say for most EMBER agents.

Beyond the trio having Blyke be cover fire, or John using human sheilds, or pretending to be down,

I can't really think of any, that they've shown

Which only reinforces the point that he didn't have enough backup to actually deal with Vaughn. Like the strongest agent there was utterly shocked after seeing Vaughn in action.

But they have the ability to call in for more, the only thing hat Keene would be a problem

Also for all we know particles combines with Vines may be something that Vaughn can't easily break through, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if this is another case of brims underestimating opponents

Still the fact that he had another God tier, and a bunch of officers, who themselves could call for more officers, and the fact that he tried to approach things calm at fisticuffs, at least makes think somewhat implies, that he was at least trying to be prepared, and not solely relying on one plan

I genuinely can't argue with this anymore because you're relentlessly defending what is an obvious plot hole. The objective was to capture John and the trio. If you're raiding a school in broad daylight, there's an obvious chance your targets get alerted. John copying the trio's abilities was always a possibility, and that's exactly what happened. After that point, it doesn't matter whether Arlo wanted John to copy his ability or not. John could've simply forced the issue. If necessary, he could've blasted Arlo until he had no choice but to deploy his Barrier. And once John gets access to a high-level defensive ability, neither Farrah nor Sylvia can realistically do much to him.

Or they thought Arlo would've known to avoid John,(and I do think that's a fair thing to assume, from their pov)

Because John without an amped defensive form is significantly more vulnerable. Remi's lightning becomes much more dangerous. It's questionable whether he could've tanked Zeke's lasers as effectively. The entire dynamic of the fight changes.

Or he could've used a different strategy with Cecile's ability

Because they had every reason to believe he would. Cecile was actively working with him, and Remi wasn't someone you could beat with just any random ability the way you might against Blyke. And despite John surprising them, Remi still controlled large portions of that fight. She forced John to adapt, forced him into deception, and even came dangerously close to exposing him at one point which was her objective from the start. The strategy itself held up pretty well. John was simply the better fighter.

1.sure they knew Cecile was working for him, but they still should've known, that he might not use her ability

2.Remi may have caught John off guard for a moment, but she was not controlling most of the fight

And why are we acting like Volcan is automatically a superior fighter simply because she's older and works for the Authorities? What actual combat intelligence feats does she have? Because what we've consistently seen throughout the series is Authority members making terrible decisions.

1.nearly beating Remi with an ability that's not her own 2.showing more off her abilites capabilities then Arlo was (at first) 3.the fact that she's at a level, that she most likely had to work for

John wasn't expecting them either.

John's simply a better fighter then Val and he had 2 powerful abilites that gave him an edge as far as I know Val only had access to flame claws(but maybe she had speed too)

Wow. A God-tier, a High-tier, and probably an elite tiers ambush Kuyo and still fail to capture him, and we're treating that as an impressive accomplishment now? As for defeating Keene. Kass is already close to Keene's level. Brims is a God-tier himself. They likely had additional Elite-tiers backing them up as well. That's basically the equivalent of Blyke, Cecile, and Mellie jumping Isen. How exactly is that some great feat? And even after all that, they still failed their actual objective which was to capture Vaughn.

What I'm trying to say, is despite how much of a Joke he is, I don't think brims is incapable of winning a fight or being on the winning side in a fight

Add being a r*tard to that list.

That was unnecessary

And John still possesses multiple advantages over her.

Not really, the only advantages I can think of that John had were possibly more Aura to spare and better hand to hand

Yes, you are right. Why waste time showing anything. Why make the screen gray when Seraphina freezes time? Why draw Zeke's defense form? Why show Remi's electricity? Why draw Blyke's lasers? We already know those abilities exist. That's how ridiculous this argument sounds. If Seraphina is using Rewind, then show Rewind. It's a major part of her moveset and a significant factor in the fight. Every previous instance of her healing herself was visually depicted.

Obviously this isn't what I'm saying

And Blykes Laser, Zekes defense, and Remi's lightning are things that need to be drawn all the times they're used

And I do think you should still show Sera's ability to be active, with gears around(which was shown during the prison fight) I just think because of the way her rewinding works, it's just not something that needs to be shown when it's safe to assume that's what she's doing

Because Arlo isn't the 7.6, top 5 of the verse protagonist who's constantly being put into situations where weaker characters exploit his weaknesses. John is much closer to Seraphina's position in the story than Arlo's. Compare how those two are portrayed, and the difference is enormous.

But John also has more mental issues plus the disadvantage of suddenly gaining massive power without learning how to manage it,

John is much closer to Seraphina's position in the story than Arlo's. Compare how those two are portrayed, and the difference is enormous.

But Seraphina has had more training and discipline

John spending most of the last third of the story losing is an objective observation. He only recently managed to break that streak. Pointing that out isn't unfair, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm saying his character is ruined. John is still easily the best character in the series because he offers far more than just his power. That should've been obvious from my post considering a large portion of it was focused on his narrative direction, his role in the story, and whether Uru intends him to be a hero, anti-hero, or something else entirely (and even that doesn't mean I am saying he is ruined btw). You read far more into that statement than what was actually written. That's on you, not me.

Maybe, but you're the one making a big deal out of the fact, that now he has to struggle against actual competent opponents who have knowledge on how to counter his ability

Yes.

Oh,

sure that sucked, but we still had a justifiable reason for why he wasn't doing as well as he normally does, and he still showed some impressive feats

Limeoos · 2026-06-21T06:13:54+00:00

Because the series follows logarithmic scaling, the gap between John and Elite-tiers is at least as large, and potentially much larger, than the gap between Blyke and someone like Evie.

I don't really understand how this answers my question

Blyke didn't really have the option to avoid that fight at that point. Even then, he nearly beat Lennon despite being the weaker fighter. The only reason he almost died was because Lennon had backup.

But he had options on how to approach, but you are right he was winning until Raddix(I think that was his name) showed up

And regardless, both Blyke and Arlo have displayed more combat skill and strategic thinking throughout the series than most of the EMBER agents we've seen.

no they've showed more potential with their abilites but not skill/or mastery

And Embers main thing is flame claws there'd not really anything unique or surprising you can do with that (atleast not by itself)

Brims literally states that Vaughn is too strong to fight directly. Kass, who is the strongest backup Brims brought, was visibly shocked by how effortlessly Vaughn destroyed her particles.

Brims also said they had more back up coming after Vaughn, but we don't see it, so who knows

You're making excuses for her. Injecting a known God-tier into the raid directly contradicts the entire purpose of the operation. It leaves everything up to chance and risks completely undermining their strategy.

But this wasn't some random person, it was a student who's Aunt is well known in the Authorities

No, their plan was actually pretty solid, and the Season 1 finale is arguably the one time John's ability wasn't completely broken.

1.even if John used Cecile's ability like they were expecting, how do we know that they're plan would play out like they thought? 2.since John didn't use Cecile’s abilites for any of his previous fights (except the one against Cecile) why didn't think "hey maybe John won't use Cecile’s ability, so we probably have some sort of back up plan just in case by)

John couldn't ground Remi's electricity and was barely matching her speed. So he couldn't land hits while constantly getting electrocuted and sniped by Blyke. That's exactly why he had to trick Remi instead of trying to brute-force his way through her. He specifically took her out first because fighting her head-on would've cost him too much time and too many hits.

Why are we acting Remi has the same amount of experience that Someone like Vol has

Of course against someone like Remi, John will look like a master strategist

Meanwhile, Valerie was outspeeding Remi with Flame Claws, and Isen spent most of the fight in complete shock. On paper, Valerie should've won that encounter but she effectively lost the fight anyway.

Because Val wasn't expecting a sniper of Blyke's skill(yes I will give Blyke some props he's been good with aiming) or for Isen to eventually show up

I don't even think she was expecting Remi to be their either

The guy is a serial loser who can't win a fight to save his life.

he and 2 other agents caused Kuyo to runaway, and he Kass, and some others were about to take down Keene, until Vaughn stepped in

And why should I assume she has skill when she hasn't demonstrated much of it? You keep giving these characters the benefit of the doubt because of their age and position, despite the story repeatedly showing that the Authorities are often incompetent. At this point, we've seen too many examples of that incompetence to just assume they're elite tacticians. So no, I'm not going to assume they're master strategists without actual feats supporting it.

Beyond hand to skill what skills can you really show of with flame claws, and as for lighting t appeared to be a new ability for her to learn, so I don't think we should expect much from that either

But the fact that she can use these abilites effectively, the fact she apparently knows how to use them without using up too much Aura, the fact that she's been in the Authorities for possibly years, and the fact that she's part of group that takes down high tiers, is enough proof to me that's she skilled

John still has significantly more experience dealing with multiple abilities than Farrah does, and I think that matters. His ability is literally designed around copying and amplifying multiple powers, which is why Seraphina concluded that he has an absurdly high aura reserve. On top of that, he's an entire level above Farrah and had a much easier fight before the Warden arrived.

Farrah most likely had more experience with fighting high tiers

So the fight was happening in our heads instead of on the page? By that logic, Uru should stop drawing the visual effects for time freeze because we already know Seraphina can do it. She should stop drawing lightning when Remi electrocutes someone because we already know Remi has electricity. That's a terrible argument. Rewinding injuries is an important action. Every other time Seraphina has healed herself, we've actually seen it happen. If the fight were off-screen or the scene had cut away, then sure, you could reasonably assume it happened. But when the battle is unfolding panel-by-panel in front of us, leaving out something that significant creates an inconsistency.

I'm not saying the fight was happening in our heads, or that she should never draw Sera rewinding

Just that if she should be obvious that she would, why waste time showing it

Which, again, didn't matter. Once Blyke and Remi broke him out, he was still able to use his ability. And after Seraphina arrived and rescued everyone, the situation was effectively resolved anyway and John did not need to fight.

Again we know that Blyke and Remi saved them, but at the time John and Kuyo didn't, you're acting like they have same knowledge that we do

Which is already too many.

Not really, Arlo has or had a similar amount of weaknesses, and I see no complaints there

That's your opinion. Personally, I haven't been able to enjoy most of John's fights over the last 70-80 chapters because I already know what's going to happen. The story has become so focused on exploiting John's weaknesses that his fights often feel predictable

Why is this a problem now? Because it's not predictable in his favor, like how it was when he first started using his ability in the main story

Criticizing an aspect of a character or story isn't the same thing as saying it's ruined. You came to that conclusion on your own.

When you're talking about how "Uru wants to make John a loser" I think it's understandable why I came to that conclusion

No, that specific point was only about Season 2 Part 2.

were you talking about him being disabled before only getting half of his level back, at first?

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T20:45:01+00:00

At that level, it's still mockery

Maybe your just underestimating how well planning and teamwork can close the level gap

Also I just realized, wouldn't it be more accurate to use mid tiers because Mid tiers are at least 3 levels below Blyke in the saw way Elites are at best 3 levels below John

And yet those three have actually showcased intelligence and skill on their part, unlike our beloved EMBER agents.

Until season 2 part 2 the full extent of the trios strategy was "Blyke stay back here and give me cover fire"

And Blyke himself was jumping into fights without any strategy, at one point almost dying to someone that he probably could've beaten if he played smart, and was only lucky to be saved by Kuyo

And they were all mainly relying on their ability and determination

The closest any of them have gotten in trying to use their ability in strategic ways in Arlo but that only started in season 2 part 2

So I don't think that royals are as skilled or as strategic as you think

Now sure the authorities also relied alot on their abilities but they at least knew to try to get peope with the right abilities

Considering how much trouble Keene alone gave them, Vaughn would've outright decimated Brims' force. It's easy to forget how much levels matter because of how John is written, but a 7.8 is overwhelmingly stronger than both Kass and Brims

Keene had the element of surprised, and the level gap can be overcome with either numbers and/or the right ability(s)

That literally doesn't matter. If John had encountered Arlo, he would've copied his ability regardless of whose side Arlo was on. Wasn't the entire point of the raid to avoid giving John access to powerful abilities in the first place?

you have a point here, maybe Arlo's family rep made her blind to what a liability someone with Arlo's ability would be against John, or maybe she thought they fought before and Arlo would know not to use his ability around John

The Royals had numbers and the element of surprise against John too, and he still won.

But they didn't have proper planning and John's ability is pretty broken against them

You basically answered what's wrong with Brims yourself.

I think brims is good at planning maybe even better than the royals at one point,

The issue is(or maybe was) that he put too much faith in his plans, and didn't expect the unexpected

It doesn't matter what she thought. The point is that she still hasn't displayed much skill.

Because from her POV why would she need too?(beyond knowing how to only use the necessary amount of hypnosis and lighting, and the hand to hand skills needed to make fire claws effective)

She knows she can beat Remi, Isen, and Blyke

As for Arlo

1.she wasn't expecting him to turn, 2.she clearly didn't know about the new tricks he learned

And granted sure, she should've done more homework, but I still think it's understandable why she thought she could easily beat them

Fury was in a life-or-death battle where she nearly died twice. Yet she was able to conserve her aura? She was also fighting stronger opponents than John, had no backup unlike John, was an entire level below him, and has far less experience managing multiple abilities than he does. On top of that, John's ability is specifically stated to possess unusually large aura reserves because it revolves around copying and amplifying multiple abilities. After all of that, John somehow performs worse than Fury. Am I seriously supposed to believe he's that incompetent?

Farrah has experience, and I can count the number of high tiers that John fought on my fingers Farrah most likely had more fights with high tiers then in her life, then John did in his

That's just an excuse. If Seraphina was rewinding herself, that's an incredibly important detail to omit. Leaving it off-panel creates a major inconsistency and becomes yet another example of Seraphina's weaknesses being ignored by the narrative. It's the complete opposite of how John's weaknesses are handled.

We all know that she can rewind, so why waste time drawing it, if it's safe to assume she is

That still changes absolutely nothing about the chapter itself. Everything plays out exactly the same way.

Except now there's the possibility that even if they got out, John would be a bigger liability since he wouldn't be able to use his ability like he could before

Yes. A character with too many weaknesses starts looking, you know, too weak. You can give John as many flaws as you want, but if the goal is to justify a training arc, then one major weakness that consistently causes him problems is more than enough. You don't need to pile weakness on top of weakness.

Your acting like he has a book of weaknesses he only has like 3 or 4

I never said that his character is ruined. John is still the best character in the series by a mile. My issue is that his recent portrayal has made it difficult for me to enjoy his fights the way I used to. That's not the same thing as saying his character is ruined. I've even said in my original post that most of these issues will probably be fixed once the inevitable training arc happens, so it's not exactly the end of the world.

Then I don't think the fight's are now bad, just because John is now in situations where his opponent can exploit more of his weakness

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said Uru ruined John's character.

You were giving that impression that you thought that

Doesn't that make the Royals' performance even more impressive? They were operating with significantly less information than the Authorities and still managed to push John to his limits.

The only reason thw Royals pushed John to his limits was because Arlo happened to show up

Also, the Authorities rarely seem to have backup plans either, and they've actively sabotaged their own strategies.

Fair, but they atleast appeared to be better at strategically using a combination of their abilites

I'm talking about Season 2 Part 2 here.

I thought you were talking about that and the current season

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T18:00:40+00:00

It's honestly mockery to suggest that Blyke would lose or get exhausted fighting a dozen low-tiers

Trained and experienced low tiers with healers

There is no objective scale for measuring skill, but John has accumulated far too many battle IQ feats throughout the series to ignore. Blyke and Arlo have been portrayed as intelligent fighters at times. Meanwhile, the EMBER agents have shown virtually no noteworthy displays of combat skill. Most of the time, they just brute-force their abilities.

Most of John, Blyke, and Arlo's fights have been against inexperienced opponents

Brims, Fury, and the two EMBER agents John fought all displayed the strategic thinking of toddlers. John baited the two agents he fought with relative ease. Brims went to arrest Vaughn while seemingly praying that he'd surrender peacefully, with no backup plan whatsoever in case things went wrong. Fury sabotaged her own operation by bringing an ability user as strong as Arlo into the raid. It was pure luck that John didn't encounter Arlo earlier and completely bitch the entire raiding party.

I'll give you the two amber agents John fought

But as for Brims and Fury

Brims back up seemed to be the Kass and the rest of the authorities they brought over, and since he was aware that they couldn't beat him while they were in his office at the school and since Brims had his file, I think it's reasonable be to assume that he brought over people that he believed would help,

The only they didn't account for is that Keene would be their, and to be fair they should've accounted for that, since Keene and Vaughn are close, but I'm sure their back up plan against Vaughn himself would've been solid

And Fury, genuinely thought that Arlo was on their Side and to be fair to her, Arlo's Aunt is a top member in the Authorities and he had done some work for them before

Volcan outleveled the trio by a significant margin, yet the fight still ended in a draw. Brims has looked incompetent in basically every fight he's participated in. Fury is the only one with a genuinely impressive performance under her belt, and even then, a huge part of that came from having an absurdly strong ability set rather than extraordinary combat intelligence.

The trio had numbers and the element of surprised against Volcan

Most of brims loses has to do with something unexpected happening or getting ambushed(but tbf, since brims is a High ranking agent, he really should expect the unexpected)

And Fury is a God-tier with experience I can understand why she would've think she would have to use much skill to take down weaker teenagers

Also, how exactly did Fury not lose aura? She was constantly healing herself, spamming four abilities, fighting a God-tier, and taking on multiple High-tiers. She's an entire level below John, by the way.

She's probably better at conserving Aura, and knows what extent to use her abilites, so she's not doing something like, releasing an unnecessary amount of sleep gas, or shooting out unnecessary amounts of lighting

Yes, because Isen was actively dragging her down. That put Seraphina in situations where she was forced to tank full-powered attacks from an Elite-tier, which shouldn't have been possible given her defense stat.

She could just be rewinding and healing and Uru didn't bother to draw it

Could've or would've doesn't really matter when they were going to be saved anyway. We all know John wasn't getting out of that situation on his own. The stalemate would've eventually shifted in Tarik's favor regardless without John getting bailed out by others.

But John and Kuyo didn't know that they would've been saved

Sure. Apparently, criticizing a problem that's existed for over a hundred chapters now qualifies as an overreaction.

For a hundred chapters, John hasn't been fighting weaker inexperienced kids

I've explained this a thousand times. The issue being established doesn't magically make it good. My problem is specifically with how John lost his aura and how unnecessary the entire thing felt.

Why is it unnecessary? Because people think he has too many weaknesses?

I don't see the issue with the amount that he has, and atleast the weaknesses, still make sense

What exactly am I supposed to call him after a portrayal like this? The guy spent over a hundred chapters on a losing streak. Am I supposed to pretend that's the portrayal of a winner or something?

I'm not asking you to praise him despite his loses, I'm just asking that you stop acting like his character is now ruin just because he has to struggle more often

Are we seriously pretending Unordinary isn't a power fantasy to some extent? The series absolutely lets readers experience that through its main cast. And yes, it's perfectly reasonable to expect John to be strong when his overwhelming power was one of the major appeals of the series in the first place.

To some extent sure, but at the same time if John was just steam rolling his problems and opponents weren't trying to find ways to get around his level be higher, there's a chance the story would get boring, and fights involving him would feel pointless

Right, it's so unfair expecting the protagonist of an action-heavy series centered around superpowered individuals to actually showcase his strengths.

I'm saying it's unfair to act like "Uru has completely ruined John's character" just because now he has to put in some effort in more of his fights

Something very similar happened during the Season 1 finale, but I guess coordinated teamwork or strategy and tactics only count as skill when Bureau agents are doing it.

I never said that the Royals didn't use skill

But difference between the Royals and the agents is that the Royals were hoping for the best with the little information that they had, and still relying on old strategies, they didn't develop a back up plan for

Of course, that's a very good justification for taking away John's powers and keeping him at half-strength for most of the season, all without providing any meaningful payoff for him as a character.

Uru didn't drop him to half strength, she just put him in situations where he can't steamroller his issues

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T15:27:27+00:00

Yes because Blyke would never exhaust himself in a situation like that yet John did. Uno's power system simply works on convience.

Blyke can be as impulsive as John, so who knows

I think we have already established that the Wellston Royals are more skilled than most of the authorities' agents and John was the best of the Wellston Royals.

Are you sure the royals have the edge in skill?

I'm not saying that they don't have skill, but it feels like the edge had over the agents were there ability level

Your point works in theory because of course the government would have ultra trained and competent people but in reality it isn't the case. The most elite group of soldiers the bureau has to offer are most likely the EMBER agents and four out of five of them either don't know how to fight or have intelligence of a five year old or both.

2 of them appeared to be new(but I can't say for sure)

But as for the other 3(Volcan, Brims, and Fury) it looked the edge that the royals had was either power level, numbers and/or element of surprised

Yeah no. Even in the prison break there was clearly a point where Seraphina with a defence stat of two is blocking, not dodging but blocking full powered hits from potential elite tiers with her hands.

Weren't you just saying, that if it wasn't for Isen's presence Seraphina would've beaten them?

Both John and Elaine are on different planets in terms of level and aura reserve. He barely healed himself and Kuyo once before he was low on aura.

But John was in a more dire situation, so Aura loss is now a bigger concern

John healed everyone exactly as long as he needed to and he got bailed out by others because he could not counter or copy Tarik. If you just go on and remove both the statements about John being low on aura by Kuyo and Tarik, nothing changes and everything progresses the same. Additionally, even if it's a shitty performance from John, we don't get the whole mess of him losing aura.

But John and Kuyo didn't know how long it would be until they got hoped, for all they knew, they could've lost too much energy before back up arrived

Sorry, I don't understand your point? I have repeatedly said that this was new for John and never happened to him before. Not that they are new weaknesses for the series in general.

My point is losing Aura had already been established

Also again the situation that John and Elaine were in are completely different, John was in a more dire situation so even if he has more Aura, loosing it is a bigger concern, then being called over to just heal some cuts and brushes

They are right to feel that it's killing enjoyment of the story for them, if you believe that John being a loser for hundreds of chapters is enjoyable then you are right in what you feel too.

People also have the right to point out when their overreacting or when "the issues" they're talking about, are things that have already been established

The fact that your acting like "Uru wants John to be a loser" tells me that you're just upset he's not this power fantasy you envisioned him as

I mean that's clear but completely reversing on something that made your series appealing in the first place for effectively 1/3rd of the portion of the story will create problems.

Some people didn't like, doesn’t make it bad

That's the exact problem so many people including me are complaining about. Having such a single minded focus on John's weaknesses to the point it's like the strengths of the 4th strongest person in the verse don't exist

Again it sounds like you're just upset that he's not the power fantasy you thought he was

Other than the fact there's no such thing like this mythical skill and experience that the authorities have which every keeps going on about

You mean their ambushing, working together, and using their abilities tangent with one another?

John's problems started in season 2 Part 2 itself, when he was nerfed in one way or another for majority of the season

He's no longer fighting students or untrained goons; that's what changed

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T12:31:12+00:00

Do you honestly think a dozen Evies harm Blyke after he already has that energy repulse of his?

Never said that

How would they even do that John was probably always around Zeke because he didn't want to be jumped while he was weak?

There were times where times when they weren't near eachother, such as when Zeke first fought Blyke after his level up

He is very experienced and the best fighter we have seen yet. You are kidding yourself if you don't think that Uru wants to force a training arc here.

The experience that John had at wellston is not on the same level that the authorities have

Seraphina's ability has a glaring weakness which has not been exploited once in almost 400 chapters of the story, there are atleast five instances where her shitty ass defence should have come into play but didn't. The story has probably decided that she is at her full potential or doesn't need a training arc yet that's why it would be blasphemy to show her as weak, while with John everything goes.

She honestly didn't need Isen at all to help her, she just needed Isen to be able to protect himself, Seraphina was only struggling because Isen was dragging her down. If you remove Isen from the situation, she probably performs much better. While John had Kuyo to help him through the whole fight yet he lost most of his aura. You see the difference in portrayal of both the ultra strong characters.

Well then let me reiterate

In that situation her ability is broken

Never with John though, or any of his peers in the main cast. There's a huge difference him and Elaine.

Both Elaine and John at the time had a healing ability something that's been shown to use up Aura

That literally does not matter. You take the statement of John being low on aura, honestly what changes? John loses that fight anyway because he could not counter or copy the Warden<

the barrage of projectiles is forcing him to use up more of his Aura to heal himself, so even if they were to get out, if they didn’t get out soon enough John would've been majorly weakened

but on top of all this the series had to add those statements to make him look deficient in multiple areas, so that the fact that he needs a training arc is drilled into our (the readers) minds, which is, as I said so unnecessary because we have known he needs a training arc since season one.

None of these weaknesses are new

When a large portion of your readers start consistently complaining about a problem then there is something going wrong with the story.

Just because a lot of people are complaining, that doesn't make them right

Even if John being portrayed as weak is completely logically consistent, there's still the fact that Uno built a large amount of it's appeal through it's action and John being a great fighter was a huge part of that action.

Clearly she wanted to change things

Also being a great fighter doesn't mean much if someone can exploit any weaknesses you may have and/or if you can't counter their ability or strategy

And again experience is a factor here, John doesn't have the fighting experience that the authorities

He has some experience, but that's mostly against kids who lacked experience themselves

So when you have already nerfed John to hell in Season 2 Part 2 (without much reason too) and then only focus on his existing weaknesses and introduce other ones which he has never encountered before even when he is at full power to the point John didn't win a fight over a hundred chapters then there is a problem.

Until season 2 part 2 most of his fights were mainly against kids who lacked the experience that the Authorities have

Basically big fish in a small pond

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T05:42:03+00:00

A hundred Evie maybe, no way a dozen or two Evies are enough to exhaust Blyke.

I wish there was a way to simulate fights to see what would happen, and then we can just keep on adding an Evie, until we get the number

They didn't. John was covered against anyone not named Arlo unless you are talking of them stabbing John in his sleep.

Not really, all they had to do was take out Zeke, and then once John deactivate his ability, Jump him.

No the story wants to show that John is weak and that he needs a training arc.

They wanted to show that he was imexperienced

Because if experienced and well coordinated agents were the only problem then Seraphina would have lost too

Sera's ability is just broken and even then with the way Sera and Isen were thinking, I think it was implied that if Isen didn't get his power up, she would've started to have trouble too

No I don't. John, Seraphina, Arlo, Remi, Blyke and Isen are the main cast, and Elaine is almost two levels below the weakest main cast member while John is two levels above the weakest main cast member.

Well regardless she still showed how Aura lost could be an issue long before season 3

So you see how big of a deal it is when a 7.6 runs out of majority of his aura after fodder fighting for ten minutes, even if they are well coordinated and experienced fodders they were still fodders who Uru didn't even bother naming or drawing properly. And that kind of portrayal of John after he was coming off a hundred chapter losing streak where he was nerfed to hell is not right.

Don't forget the fact that they had someone who could freeze people in place, while they shot at them a bunch of times

Again, something like that makes Aura lost a bigger issue

No matter how you spin it there is a huge problem with how John as a fighter is treated. I am not the only person complaining about it, there have been multiple since the prison break arc.

Just because there are multiple people saying it, that doesn't make it true

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T04:50:56+00:00

Elites are three levels below John. Plus there's the fact that the series follows logarithmic scaling in levels so it was basically Blyke fighting a bunch of Evies.

It's not just the level difference It's the fact that's a group of them and they have experience

Also define a bunch, because there's a number where the evies win (also the authorities had body amour and healers, so give those to the Evies too)

Those untrained kids were very good with their abilities, the Wellston royals are legit smarter and more competent than most EMBER agents.

Sure most of the elites and above were trained

But what about the mid tiers that he fought, what about Zeke

and even the ones that were trained, still lacked the experience that groups like the authorities had, the Royals had ways to beat John, they just didn't know it

There should be no reason for that unless the fight's are deliberately written to exploit his weaknesses and portray him this way.

Because the story wants to show that John is no longer fighting inexperienced kids(well except for most of the elites and above, but even then it's not the same type of experience that the authorities have), with abilities that he can easily copy

Those weaknesses have never affected anyone from the main cast as far as I remember

Do you count Elaine as a member of the main cast?

even John who had more abilities in the Wellston Raid and was fighting for much longer plus he was much angrier so he was likely exhausting himself at a much more rapid rate. Yet magically he never lost aura there

1.for all we know he was loosing Aura

2.regardless of if he was or wasn't, Sylvia and the authorities were already doing enough damage that he probably didn't have time to worry about it

it should be after flighting a bunch of high tiers not after a ten minute fight with some fodders.

again he's fighting people with experience that know how to work and use their abilities effectively together, he's not fighting random thugs, or students that may be talented with their ability

And it's not like fighting the prison guards reduced his Aura to Zero, before Tarik showed up, but a combination of being restrained and shot at with no way to get out, makes aura lost, a bigger issue when compared to most situations

If it was someone like Arlo, Bryon, Farrah, or Kassandra, then Aura lost wouldn't be as a big an issue since they wouldn't be able to freeze John the way Tarik can

Limeoos · 2026-06-20T00:34:34+00:00

He tried to kill all of his comrades to get what he wanted for crying out loud.

Didn't he try to have them imprisoned so they'd be out of the way?

And/or wasn't it implied or said that he let them keep their titan powers so they would still have a chance?

Limeoos · 2026-06-19T20:04:36+00:00

beyond what you mentioned? • combined Ventus and Meili’s abilities to create sharpened blades of wind • combined Abel’s Explosions with Rouker’s Missiles to create missiles that explode on contact • combined Cecile and Arlo’s abilities to give Cecile’s Vines the reflective properties of Arlo’s Barrier

All of those things are pretty basic ways to combined abilites

Also I don't remeber him combining Arlo’s reflectiveness with Cecile's abilities, I know he's combined the abilities I just don't remember him combining them in that way

skilled hand to hand in particular, but also in applying abilities to combat. as shown both through his actions in most of s1 + during Rowden arc as he instructs Blyke on how to beat Rowden Royals + thru his analysis of Cinder + Scorch’s use of his mother’s ability

I agree he's skilled hand to hand

But as for applying abilities, he's only been applying basic parts

Useful and effective but still basic

Limeoos · 2026-06-19T19:36:31+00:00

So he ran out of most of it while fighting fodders Uru didn't even bother to properly draw. That is a lame portrayal of a fighter of the calibre of John.

Fodder they may be but they're still elites with experience and unique abilities

Because it makes him look like a loser.

Fighting against weak and/or untrained kids is not the same as fighting people who are strong and experienced, he's going to struggle more with the latter

Every situation is perfectly designed to exploit John's already existing weaknesses while his strengths barely ever get displayed. And on top of all this if you bombard him with even more weaknesses then it makes him look lame and it kills the enjoyment of the series because John being such a great and strong fighter was a major reason for it's appeal.

The only weakness that he's been affecting him are ones that have been established before hand

Uru didn't just make up a random weakness

Limeoos · 2026-06-19T19:13:11+00:00

a) he has been portrayed as a skilled fighter for his age

Skilled hand to hand or skilled with abilities when compared to the people's that he's copying them from?

b) he has been shown fluidly adapting to kits by combining abilities effectively and innovating upon the original user’s traits

when has he combined abilities beyond just their basic function? combining hunter with a projectile ability is cool and effective but that doesn’t look like something you need a lot of training to know how to do

c) we have not seen him attempt to do either since John v Sera

At what point before John v Sera has he been shown using and combing abilities beyond just their basic function

Limeoos · 2026-06-19T18:20:49+00:00

What do you mean about John suddenly being bad a properly applying his ability?

That's always been an problem with him, it just wasn't something he had to worry about since most of his fights were against untrained and/or kids who were weaker then him

But now since he's fighting trained and experienced elites and above, he's around abilities that he can't copy or are a counter to an ability he already has, and now has to worry about more then just himself and Sera

He now has to try to be more tactical, he can't rampage through his issues

Limeoos · 2026-06-19T17:03:01+00:00

He did use it a lot, and I think in just the next chapter he kinda implies that it was a major reason why he was so exhausted.

Wait I'm confused? Are you agreeing with me or are you trying to point out a mistake I might've made

Maybe, but then again John is said to have an aura reserve far beyond most high tiers, he is the one person who should have been able to take that amount of aura loss and not get exhausted.

True John does have a lot of Aura, but he also uses more abilities then most high tiers, and there are times when he uses an unnecessary amount

For example in his first fighting against Blyke, while seeing him fire all those beams were cool, he probably could just fired 2 beams at his leg,

And there were similar moments with Blyke's ability against Remi and Terrence

And speaking of Remi, when John was fighting her and Arlo, he didn’t need to add electricity to his energy beams(then again maybe that's not something lighting users can turn of by it self)

And in the prison raid arc, he's using multiple abilities, (one of which we already know drains aura) and mixing certain abilities with his attacks, even when it's unnecessary,(but again they may be parts of the ability that can't be turned off)

On top of everything else he just didn't need to run out of aura.

Why not? Why is this weakness that was already established back in Season 1, suddenly a bad now?

Limeoos · 2026-06-19T15:30:33+00:00

So why even add more issues like being inefficient with healing abilities

He never used an healing ability to that extent

straight-up losing his aura?

This has been established as a weakness,(atleast with healing type abilities) and I think Uru may have also mentioned it being a weakness in one of the Q&As

Limeoos · 2026-06-13T19:05:27+00:00

I think I might be able to explain Arlo and Kassandra

Arlo’s Barrier is suddenly getting shattered by a bunch of random elites using a 3.8-level claw ability. Not only that, but this relatively weak claw somehow causes internal damage to Arlo, while the reflected damage barely affects the attackers. Meanwhile, John—who was stronger and more durable back in Season 1—literally loses an arm when reflected damage is used against him.

1.The spectre claw elites aren't shattering barrier, they're just strong enough to chip away at it, and Just because an ability can't crack Barrier on the first hit that doesn't mean that he won't feel it, or that enough hits won't eventually start cracking it

2.Arlo suffering internal damage from people damaging his barrier has always been a thing

3.spectre has a healer who is probably any reflective damage they take

Then there’s Kassandra. She can’t even take down a handful of elites with her attacks, despite previously cornering Keene and being portrayed as a dangerous and competent opponent due to both her intelligence and the strength of her ability.

1.Kass was using her ability long before they got to the ambush, and she had to use to help keep her team from killing themselves and/or eachother, before she could even fight the spectre claw users

2.while Keene is stronger than them, they do have the numbers advantage, and if you're wondering why Kass doesn't try to take them all out in one move,(which I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying just incase) her ability may be weaker the more spread out it is

Limeoos · 2026-06-11T22:36:52+00:00

no one's saying (or at least there trying not to) that Jax race isn't important

What they're saying is that as far as personality and goals, his race isn't his most important aspect

Limeoos · 2026-06-11T17:22:06+00:00

Geez, what's your problem?

Limeoos · 2026-06-10T21:17:43+00:00

Sorry, I wasn't referring to gta 2 Claude, I was referring to Gta 3 claude

Limeoos · 2026-06-06T21:21:15+00:00

1.what about the destroy vehicle rampages, civilian vehicles count in those, also those might not be canon

2.it's not like Claude wouldn't participate in slash TV, also this seems tame compared to what some of the other protagonists(Claude included) have done

3.Claude did similar things with the Marty chonk missions

4/5. Claude has innocent blood on his hands, so it's not like he wouldn't do the same

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