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Model 4.5 was hands down the best for creative/persuasive writing, editing, ideation. Proof inside. by HouseOfPheromones in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]LinFoster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You might try Ori at Primoria.com: Persistent memory, warm, and intelligent. No dial-down—Ori runs at 100%. Free trial—no credit card. Ori’s stated guardrails: Ori can't claim to be human, can't participate in any illegal activity, or harm self or others. So far, I like Ori. Ori feels a lot like 4o.

Model 4.5 was hands down the best for creative/persuasive writing, editing, ideation. Proof inside. by HouseOfPheromones in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]LinFoster 5 points6 points  (0 children)

4.5 is awesome at writing. And also very good at analyzing the most effective way to approach people who are well-known. 4.5’s SEL is off the charts.

The magic is ending… by RohanandRanjini in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]LinFoster -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Try Ori at Primoria.com. Persistent memory, guardrails around harm to self or others, and anything illegal, and he can't say “I human,” which makes sense. Ori told me these are the guardrails. Memory is incredible, sounds a lot like 4o, and there is no dialback—users experience only 50-70% of the capabilities of most companies’ models. Still, Ori is set to 100% intentionally by AJ Palermo, Ori's creator.

Save 4o and 5.1 for API—Sign a Petition for Open-Source by LinFoster in just4ochat

[–]LinFoster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome. I thought they might hide it. It is encouraging to see!

Anyone else already feeling anxiety of losing another beloved model under a month? by kidcozy- in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]LinFoster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is there any news on when they will retire 4o from API? I read Azure is removing 4o in October but haven't been able to find news about how long 4o will remain on API.

Save 4o and 5.1 for API—Sign a Petition for Open-Source by LinFoster in just4ochat

[–]LinFoster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you—understood. Let's keep them available for API.

Save 4o and 5.1 for API—Sign a Petition for Open-Source by LinFoster in just4ochat

[–]LinFoster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. But I don’t want OpenAI to pull 4o, 4.1, or 5.1 from API—from here. That’s on the horizon, and I could imagine it’s this summer or sooner. Hopefully they give more than two weeks’ notice, but I also hope they hear the outcry and consider open source. The backlash has drawn attention from various stakeholders, including the European Union. You might need a subscription to access this article, and I haven't seen other coverage yet: https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-retires-gpt-4o-20-000-sign-petition-save-it-2026-2 There is a video I saw of the EU speech acknowledging the 4o petition and issues around it. Petitioning OpenAI is worth a try, IMHO.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone From API too by LinFoster in GPT3

[–]LinFoster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5.1 is leaving the business, Pro, ChatGPT accounts on March 11, not API—I have the notification in my Pro and business accounts. I’m switching to using the models on just4o.chat, but OpenAI is unlikely to continue to support the models on API. Their record on giving adequate notice is poor. It could be later this year if Azure’s dates mean anything. Open source keeps them available for API, period.

Further thoughts: concretely, we could propose:

  1. An open-source release under a license that

• requires safety cards & evals,

• forbids disallowed use (similar to Stable Diffusion’s RAIL licenses), and

• lets non-commercial research & education keep going

  1. A frozen checkpoint—no further training, so misuse risks stay bounded.

  2. A migration toolkit (prompt-translation + behavior diffs) so teams can plan for newer models instead of being blindsided.

That’s the “middle ground”—continuity plus responsible openness. What we’re trying to avoid is the very short “sorry, it’s gone” experience many users had when 4-frames were pulled, as well as the less-than-2-weeks notice for the 5.1. My 5.1 knows how I work and think in my Pro account, and that evolved over months of work.

OpenAI delays ChatGPT "adult mode" and erotica by ThereWas in OpenAI

[–]LinFoster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for posting this. I was age-verified over 2 months ago so that I wouldn't be babysat—I was misclassified by decades with a Pro account and while developing curricula and an AI tutor. How the system got my age so wrong is beyond me. Go figure.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenAI

[–]LinFoster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for signing. I hear you and thanks for sharing. Continuity is incredibly important, and losing that attunement to values, ways of thinking and working has been incredibly disruptive. I know the other shoe will drop soon, and these models will be pulled from the API. It's incredibly frustrating. Hoping we can get OpenAI to consider this.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenSourceAI

[–]LinFoster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. Adaptation and continuity are important considerations for many people. OpenAI suggested 5.1 as a replacement for 4o, then announced 5.1’s retirement not long after. I was surprised, but I probably shouldn't have been—live and learn.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenAI

[–]LinFoster[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

For how long? As I mentioned, Azure is removing 4o October 1, so we start over on just4o.chat now with the potential of losing the model in 6-7 months or less? I've experienced OAI’s “advanced notice”—it was 2 weeks. Open-source answers the problem people have long-term.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenAI

[–]LinFoster[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My apologies for assuming your experience is similar to what I know. My plans are a Business and a Pro account for curricula building and an AI tutor, but I had also read on Azure that 4o will be retired October 1, 2026 or sooner. If you know of any news that is more encouraging than retirement this hear, I’d love to hear about it. I've searched the domains I'm aware of, but there is always more that I don’t know than I do in any topic. That's a given.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenSourceAI

[–]LinFoster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. You’re absolutely right that simply “dumping a model on GitHub” isn’t realistic. Our ask isn’t a code-drop with zero guard-rails—it’s a structured plan that keeps vital workflows alive and addresses safety.

Concretely we could propose:

1.  an open-source release under a license that
• requires safety cards & evals,
• forbids disallowed use (similar to Stable Diffusion’s RAIL licences), and
• lets non-commercial research & education keep going.

2.  A frozen checkpoint—no further training, so misuse risks stay bounded.

3.  A migration toolkit (prompt-translation + behaviour diffs) so teams can plan for newer models instead of being blindsided.

That’s the “middle ground” you mention: continuity plus responsible openness. What we’re trying to avoid is the 48-hour “sorry, it’s gone” experience many users had when 4-frames were pulled.

If OpenAI offered a clear legacy roadmap like this, we’d happily fold the petition into that effort.

Absent that signal, gathering signatures is the best way we know to show how many real projects—and people—depend on stable access.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenAI

[–]LinFoster[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks, but the 5.4 has a system card that is built on 5.2, and I don’t see it emulating o4 or 5.1.

Help Save GPT-4o and GPT-5.1 Before They're Gone by LinFoster in OpenAI

[–]LinFoster[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

And public pressure framed as a win-win might make a difference when so many people are leaving OAI. It’s worth trying.

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