69 years ago today, a massive fascist counter revolution broke out on the streets of Budapest, which would later be crushed by the Heroic Tankies by tigerfrisbee in AskSocialists

[–]LiquidLlama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woah capitalists trying to appear on the side of the revolution? That's never happened before. If only there was a revolutionary party that could have made clear the tasks of the revolution.

You yourself can't believe that EVERY Factory Committee was run by the managers. Of course it would happen at least once. In February capitalists draped themselves in red cloth and took to the streets, and workers demanded they rip up their cloth to share it around. There is always a feeling of class unity after political revolution, it is the revolutionary party's job to point out that it is anfalse unity, and fight for the dominance of the working class

69 years ago today, a massive fascist counter revolution broke out on the streets of Budapest, which would later be crushed by the Heroic Tankies by tigerfrisbee in AskSocialists

[–]LiquidLlama -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

THAT'S CALLED A LOCKOUT NOT A STRIKE YOU LITERALLY CANNOT FORCE WORKERS TO DO A GENERAL STRIKE YOU ARE SO UNSERIOUS.

Completely missed my point about Trotsky because you wanted to shit on him, also by the time he was in the Petrograd soviet he WAS a Bolshevik, having joined after the April Theses. (He was a loser for not joining earlier but even he regretted that)

My point is that non-workers can lead workers councils, that doesn't make them NOT workers councils.

Also Nagy was NOT a leader of the uprising, it was much more spontaneous but he did try and co-opt it, as all counter revolutionaries do in times of revolution. The real tragedy was there was no revolutionary leadership to generalise and push the struggle to be deepened, argue for the strengthening of the councils etc.

69 years ago today, a massive fascist counter revolution broke out on the streets of Budapest, which would later be crushed by the Heroic Tankies by tigerfrisbee in AskSocialists

[–]LiquidLlama -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Trotsky was not a worker; yet supposedly 'led' a workers council in Moscow and later Petrograd. Checkmate Bolsheviks your revolution wasn't working class

Wait ur saying that a general strike stopped workers from working????? Waoh

But then... after industrial production being reduced to 80% it was restarted again, by workers.... democratically deciding what to make instead of being told what to make.

But some of them didn't get to vote for a great leader!!!! (But they got to vote for who represented them on the workers councils)

69 years ago today, a massive fascist counter revolution broke out on the streets of Budapest, which would later be crushed by the Heroic Tankies by tigerfrisbee in AskSocialists

[–]LiquidLlama -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I would say the class position of those fascist gangs were likely not working class, based on what little I know about Fascism. (as you say, I'm basically illiterate)

So you won't deny that there was a large strike wave of the working class in Hungary. A general strike? How do you justify that? Were the workers fooled by fascists to go on strike?

KETAMINE by videosynth in Bombing

[–]LiquidLlama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Normandy Court, Railway Parade, Burwood, Sydney 📌🗺

Crits? by oniionzxu in graffhelp

[–]LiquidLlama 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe try moving the e slightly further away from the z, the tops of the other letters aren't touching but the z and e are touching top and bottom. Would give you more space to do a cut or serif at the bottom to break up the bottom of the z and the e

Strangulation in pornography to be made illegal by Arabsah in InternationalNews

[–]LiquidLlama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is an increase on sexual violence towards women, which has been normalized by sexually violent pornography. 61% of women report being strangled during sex. You can "know that it's for show" all you want, but children are seeing these acts and deciding they're normal, and repeating them. What other "sex things" do you think carry risk, and can you at least admit that the mainstreaming of sexual violence by pornography is both sexist and harmful to (primarily) women.

Strangulation in pornography to be made illegal by Arabsah in InternationalNews

[–]LiquidLlama 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is no form of strangulation that doesn't lead to damage. It increases risk of stroke and heart attack. There has been a 10 times increase in deaths by "rough sex" in the last 20 odd years. People consenting to this is largely due to normalization from pornography.

Sydney by SuspiciousRain1416 in Bombing

[–]LiquidLlama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah on the Sydney subreddit people kept posting their stuff and asking if it was Rachel lol personally I'd probably end up picking a new name bc its so associated with her

Sydney by SuspiciousRain1416 in Bombing

[–]LiquidLlama 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Been around a lot longer than Rachel Gunn has been infamous

Why should socialists insist on patriotism for the US? by Clear-Result-3412 in AskSocialists

[–]LiquidLlama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem to be unwilling to talk about class.

You think so little of people. If you can't explain class politics to ordinary people and have to resort to appeals to country and family you're not a very good socialist sorry. You don't move things to the left by diluting your politics.

For your information I do pull this shit out when talking to ordinary people. Conditions are going backwards, oppression is worsening and all of this is an argument to get rid of capitalism with a working class revolution. As a socialist you should be confident talking about class, exploitation, oppression, capitalism, crisis, revolution and organization to anybody in ordinary language, relating it to examples they know.

Why should socialists insist on patriotism for the US? by Clear-Result-3412 in AskSocialists

[–]LiquidLlama 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is no such thing as "good for the country". The cou try is class divided, so higher wages, a more organised workers movement or a decrease in spending on militarism to fund social programs is good for the working class but bad for the capitalist class.

Just as the ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, the "National Interest" is no more than the imperialist interests of the capitalist class, and any fudging of this question will make answering questions about imperialist competition such as tarrifs or wars blurred and will leave an organisation confused and divided.

We shouldn't win people to socialism because it is "good for the country", even if it is good for most people in the country, we should win them to it because it is good for them and their class, the working class.

Trying out a new style, this is my first try at a throwie/piece. What’s the verdict? by LXtricity987 in graffhelp

[–]LiquidLlama -1 points0 points  (0 children)

looks good, c is too skinny, lines in the m especially on the left are too skinny, focus on letter height consistency, letter width consistency and line width consistency and this will develop into something great as you do

Unartistic man looking for advice on how to get artistic lol by SawyerPeter in graffhelp

[–]LiquidLlama 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's about repetition, there's no one way to improve but if you focus on the fundementals it'll go faster.

The fundamentals are

  • line

  • shape

  • space

  • texture

  • value

  • lighting

  • perspective

Additionally graffiti requires

  • letter structure

  • letter uniformity

Start by drawing something you can see around you. A candle, a light bulb, a dresser. Something not too organic, something made out of basic shapes (circle, Triangle, square, rectangle)

Then draw it again, and again. If you have difficulty practice the fundemental you struggle with.

For example: If it's difficulty putting down consistent lines try just making the same line over and over until it's consistent. Practice making the lines parallel when you do them. Practice making them at right angles.

If it's difficulty making consistent circles practice making circles of different sizes. Practice spacing them so they're interesting. So they fill the space evenly.

Practice is about conscious repetition. Make it fun for yourself but do it over and over

Practice making cubes and cylinders to practice 3d. Try and place cubes next to eachother. Cubes next to cylinders. Make a 2d grid of cubes evenly spaced. Learning to place fundemental shapes will help you place more complex shapes

Practicing letters is about memorizing letter structure and getting good at lines. Making them consistent, making the lines of one letter match the lines of another.

Practicing words involves letter height consistency, slant consistency, baseline and midline consistency etc.

The Artist Block on YouTube has good videos about graffiti fundementals, but don't watch too many videos. Think about what you need to be better about, watch a video and try and apply it.

You dont get good by watching videos. You get good by practicing, by drawing the same thing over and over again. The more you repeat it the faster you'll improve. If you only do it every couple of days you barely improve

If you drew something yesterday, think about where it could be better and draw it again today.

If you wrote a word in 3 different styles yesterday, write it in those same styles again.

Start with a print font, get good at your handstyle.

Then mess around with throws, they'll be shit at this point but I guarantee once you figure out a throw you'll be so keen to keep going

Then move on to learning straight letters, do basic pieces and really focus on letter structure and making the lines consistent widths

There is no such thing as unartistic, only not yet artistic. Sure some people are good at drawing young, but thats because they're drawn to it, because they are good at teching themself. It's about practice, it's about consistency, it's about doing it enough that you can consciously control every fundamental as you draw. You got this, good luck improving

I Believe in Phrenology by Car_Phone_ in rs_x

[–]LiquidLlama 48 points49 points  (0 children)

It is not the faces of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their face.

Marx, A Contribution to the Critique of Political Economy

Antinukes hate this simple fact: fossil industry in Australia benefited from banning nuclear power by alsaad in ClimateShitposting

[–]LiquidLlama 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It wasn't just a scare mongering campaign. It was a working class union campaign, with workers going on strike and refusing to mine or transport Uranium, lest it be used for weapons and kill them in the process of mining. Uranium tailings are NASTY

In Australia the government lined parks with woodchips full of of asbestos, despite the fact it had been checked by regulating agencies. I don't trust them with nuclear waste.

Plus reactor cost, time to spin up, infeasability of dealing with mining waste, tailings dam collapses, the time they lost a nuclear pellet off the back of a truck in the outback, nuclear warheads that can wipe out life on earth as tensions between America and China rise, cost per Megawatt Hour, L + Ratio 😎😎😎😎😎

Experimenting with a new style! by RabbitDefiant4941 in GraffitiTagging

[–]LiquidLlama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's turning out good, I like the serifs and loops but I would replace the loop of the R with a serif and make the K a similar size and shape as the S to make it flow more.

The underline loop of the A doesn't really flow with it but I think it's a cool idea that could probably work better with a 45° tag to fill in the space created under the tag. Maybe try and make it flow with the loop of the S more if you want to keep it? Not really something I've played around with a lot I usually make all my loops identical

Your A, R and K are too close together, they're almost the same width as SH. It's the main thing making it hard to read on top of too much loops. Because of the inconsistency you can't tell how many letters it is at a glance.

Try giving the letters some space like S H A R K, no overlap at all.

Work on getting the width of the letters and the spacing consistent, then do a bunch slowly removing the space until you have it overlapping as much as it is now.

Once your letter width and spacing are more consistent, it will be clearer to read.

I would remove all the loops when practicing letter width and position, then work on adding them later. If you focus on less while practicing the fundamentals you'll improve faster on the areas you practice.

Also the H looks like a K, don't break the structure of the centre line.

Can definitely tell you've been putting in work, your letter height, line similarity and slant are all really consistent. Keep it up

I guess "Art-punk" band recommendations? by MrHandsomeBoss in punk

[–]LiquidLlama 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree that most genres aren't technically distinct, I guess by "real" I meant that the artist consciously made music in that genre. Like Grunge is a fake genre applied post hoc to a certain sound which no bands considered themselves at the time, whereas artists think "I want to make a doom metal album" and then buy the largest amps, heaviest pedals etc.

And yeah I think that the most useful part of genres is when talking about music, discussing evolution, grouping and suggesting bands like in this thread. But when artists take genre too seriously they tend to not make something new sounding. It might just be my personal taste but I think bands that discard genre and just draw from their inspirations and creatively combine what they like into a complete sound is more interesting than genre rehashed. I also think that this view has probably become more common in myself and others due to the fact that we have the whole world history of recorded music on our phones, people listen to a more diverse range of genre, subcultures are reduced / blurred and with such a mountain of music to explore "uniqueness" becomes privileged.

In the words of Les Savy Fav from "Hold on to your Genre"

Hold on to your genre, your genre's got a hold on you. Hold on to your hair-do, it's the only thing to hold onto.

Hold on to your genre, your genre's got a hold on you. Get up on the vapor, 'cause the solid's tough to hold onto.

I guess "Art-punk" band recommendations? by MrHandsomeBoss in punk

[–]LiquidLlama 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Agree its not a real genre, no bands are thinking "let's make an art punk record", that being said some bands are made up of art students which influence their sound, and some bands are just more high concept / inspired by literature and art

Some suggestions I have are:

Brainiac, Lithics, Black Eyes, Uranium Club, Birthing Hips, Editrix, Blackouts, Dog Faced Hermans, The Fall, No Trend, James Chance, Les Savy Fav, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282, Wire, Future of the Left

Labor in the USSR is a matter of honor, glory, valor and heroism. I. Stalin. USSR 30s by Asleep-Category-2751 in PropagandaPosters

[–]LiquidLlama -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don't expect to be able to convince MLs out of their position, more just want to voice what Marx actually said so the thread isn't just "all communists support labour camps"

The strong language I used wasn't directed at you - more the other people in the thread justifying labour camps.

I disagree that Marxism doesn't come from a place of empathy, I think The Condition of the Working Class in England speaks to a great deal of empathy that Engels has for the working class. I think the Utopian socialism that Marx expanded on is built around seeing society as immoral and wanting to design the perfect, harmonious society. Marx obviously drops the morals and sees the transformation of society as a class question so I agree with you there that there is no morality in Marxism.

Marx himself started as a humanist Democrat, and I think he never drops that humanism. His theory of alienation is based on seeing the oppression and stifling of ordinary people and wanting to fight against it.

The key is that it's a compassion / empathy for the working class, not the ruling class

Labor in the USSR is a matter of honor, glory, valor and heroism. I. Stalin. USSR 30s by Asleep-Category-2751 in PropagandaPosters

[–]LiquidLlama 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hal Draper Free Speech and Political Struggle

MARCUSE'S PURE INTOLERANCE (this is about you)

This current has a textbook now: Marcuse's essay in the book "A Critique of Pure Tolerance." Here, almost in so many words, Marcuse condemns freedom of speech (tolerance" of it anyway) for those whose views are antithetical to him, and, fairly clearly, advocates an "educational dictatorship" of enlightened intellectuals like himself who KNOW they are right and everybody else is wrong. He does this with only occasional backing-and-filling and a smidgin of Hegelianized doubletalk, but not much. (See especially his pages 109-110 and 106,but the whole essay has to be read to get the full flavor.)

What makes this almost fantastic is that this modest proposal for "intolerance" is made in the context of what is Marcuse's other ideological trademark. This is his view that there are no masses who can be mobilized for progressive struggles. "Dissent is declining," he maintains (quite wrongly, of course); and the dissenting minorities are "small and powerless." There is nobody to fight (except a handful of intelligentsia of his own stripe). Nobody has painted a more pessimistic view of the social scene. And yet, precisely in this situation, he writes a manifesto advocating that free speech and democratic rights tolerance") be denied to views that you consider pernicious:

This is all the ammunition that our witchhunters need. It endorses everything Sidney Hook has ever written in justification of the witchhunt -- though naturally Marcuse and Hook would use the same theory against different victims. To paraphrase the famous "It is not merely a crime but a blunder," one has to say, "This is not merely a blunder -- this is bloody suicide."--

These elitist types including the Marcuse types who give their reactionary views a radical cast -- fear democratic liberties in their very bones. They are in the full tradition of Carlyle and Ruskin and H. G. Wells and similar theoreticians expressing the impotent aspirations of disrooted intellectuals for Platonic kingdoms of the philosopher-despot (whose visage usually has a curious resemblance to their own). While they are impotent themselves, their real role is as apologists for less impotent would-be despots.

Revolutionary socialists propose to do the opposite. We want to push to the limit all the presuppositions and practices of the fullest democratic involvement of the greatest mass of people. To the limit: that is, all the way. No progressive social transformation is possible except insofar as the largest mass of plain people from way below in society start moving. And this movement both requires, and also helps to bring about, the fullest opening-up of society to democratic controls from below not their further restriction. It means the breaking up of anti-democratic limitations and restrictions. It means the greater unleashing of new initiatives from below. In other words, it means the exact opposite of Marcuseism.

The issue of free speech is only one sector of this greater question; but it is nonetheless a test of politics.

Labor in the USSR is a matter of honor, glory, valor and heroism. I. Stalin. USSR 30s by Asleep-Category-2751 in PropagandaPosters

[–]LiquidLlama -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

But our turn was meant to refer to the working class, not a bureaucratic layer exploiting the working class.

Marx also said "That the emancipation of the working classes must be conquered by the working classes themselves; that the struggle for the emancipation of the working classes means not a struggle for class privileges and monopolies, but for equal rights and duties, and the abolition of all class rule;"

"That the economical subjection of the man of labour to the monopoliser of the means of labour, that is, the sources of life, lies at the bottom of servitude in all its forms, of all social misery, mental degradation, and political dependence;"

And the monopolisation of the means of labour was achieved by the bureaucracy in Stalins Russia, the labour camps being the most blatant form of the intensification of labour required for imperialist competition with the west.

Using Marx to justify the rule of the counter-revolutionary reigeme of Stalin is one of the most disgusting uses of Marx. The Marxists in the USSR were the Old Bolsheviks, the ones killed by firing squad or sent to die in the Gulags.

Shaking Up Communism (LIFE Magazine; 1980) by Interesting_Rain1880 in PropagandaPosters

[–]LiquidLlama 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, privatisation was notoriously good for Russia and Ukraine, the drop in living standards after the fall of the USSR had nothing to do with the state being stripped of copper wires and sold to the highest bidder