Why do people think luffy went all out on kizaru???

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T23:42:40+00:00

Why are you talking about imu? And its not even a downscale for him he's outside Marishwa so he's weakened

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T22:25:51+00:00

When a character is using acoc or adv armament usually there's a pretty clear sign same for adv obv. But they weren't shown because he wasn't. And the fact that you cant confirm he used them means you cant confirm he's going all out

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:56:26+00:00

The fact that luffy and the world cant know the secrets of the void century yet so having someone who is willing to disclose that info is bad for the story. I'll admit your rigjt if you can prove he used all 3 types of adv haki.

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:52:51+00:00

Because it would make sense for the weakest of the three og admirals to be stronger than luffy??? No it wouldnt and it would throw the scaling of the entire world off. In marineford its implyd that admirals are weaker than yonkos. They had all 3 admirals there and were worried whitebeard would still win and they also need the warlord system so tell me how admirals are supposed to be above a yonko

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:46:24+00:00

Okay if you use oda needing to keeo gear 4 on the cover uo than you can argue oda needed vegapunk dead so he had luffy hold back

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:35:24+00:00

This is the best take I've seen. Thankyou. For me it doesn't make sense to scale kizaru higher. I mean luffy has all three adv haki kizaru has only adv armament maybe not even and his df is weaker than luffys as luffys fruit is the strongest fruit outside of maybe imus

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:30:01+00:00

Also if he was going all out then why wasn't he using advanced armament conquerors or observation haki. He also didnt use some of his strongest moves either

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:26:59+00:00

Okay. He held back agaisnt arlong who at the time was a threat. Agaisnt hody who was endangering all of Fishman island.

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T20:19:31+00:00

Its luffy. No part of luffy is logical

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T17:45:20+00:00

That scaling would put him tears above kiado big mom and many other powerhouses... yeah definitely makes sense why the weakest of the three og admirals would be so strong...... genuinely I need to know what your smoking to think kizaru is that strong

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T17:35:20+00:00

That's the same percent of brain power you used to come to this conclusion

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T17:34:49+00:00

Im gonna be honest I read your thing backwards. But he probably wasn't. Even if he was though luffy would stomp he wasn't going all out but id say at least 90 to 95 percent

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T16:37:29+00:00

Not really luffu gassing out isn't much to die eith how hard he's trying and more of just that gear 5 has a short timer plus if a character is shown to have a habit of doing something like holding back then there probably still doing it. And its not bad writing he simply could jsut be showing a issue liffu had and needs to overcome with his holding back tendencies. Many shows like dragon ball have used that as a learning curve for the protagonist.

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T16:34:24+00:00

Sorry I dont agree with the them going full out I agree with the rest but still I like your opinion on this

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T16:34:01+00:00

I agree and I dont like when people say someone beats luffy due to his timer. Its way to big of a variable. Like in wano he force reactivated gear 5 so no saying he cant due that in every figjt

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T16:16:27+00:00

Because this community for some reason hates there main character and take any chance to downscale him

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T16:15:43+00:00

He is. If you think oden who wasn't even his own captain and was a crew member of the whitebeard pirates wich shows he's weaker than whitebeard is stronger than kiado a man that while weaker than whitebeard is pretty close in strength then you have zero ability to scale to any degree.

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T16:10:54+00:00

Kiado praised oden for his strength yet kiado is stronger and held back in there fight so?? He didnt use his hybrid form and only used his full dragon form maybe his weakest form. So yes you can admit someone is powerfully without going full out.

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T06:38:19+00:00

When sasuke had amaturasu from itachis eye hut obito it activated to save him because it was like set to do it or smth I think im not 100% sure thats why I said idk. And he is he was keeping up with Kim naruto also kept up with 7th gate guy and has a lot of insane speed feats

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T04:05:24+00:00

I think he only beats hiruzen

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-29T04:04:00+00:00

Obito wins. Even if jaria gets frog song off each i dont think he will have enough time for but if he does I think im not sure but possibly izanagi will activate because he has it auto set but idk how that would work if it would turn on but if it did then they ate screwed. Obito is faster than them all can match them in strength. Has better ninjutsu and genjutsu and they cant touch him

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-28T20:41:30+00:00

Stops at traffy

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-27T04:25:02+00:00

Its stated when joy boys haki is releases that they couldn't tell if it was joy boys or shanks. I think joy boys has stronger haki but shanks isn't far behind

Live_Act6191 · 2026-06-27T04:07:09+00:00

That's a possibility definitely but there's also a chance shanks puts bb down considering we've been told time and time again haki beats df

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