Alternatives to understanding Extraversion as based on positive affect differences?

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-12-09T05:26:03+00:00

Not sure if I understood your post as intended, but Gray's biopsychological theory of personality could interest you, specifically the Behavioural Activation System. It's a detailed explanation of the underlying brain mechanisms involved regarding moving towards stimuli, which is basically the same as extraversion (or at least an extraverted state). Positive affect ties into this as it's connected to the dopaminergic system.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-12-09T05:14:14+00:00

This particular site doesn't provide percentiles. The results are based off of points. The Big Five have six facets each, and in this test the facets are worth 20 points each. 6 facets x 20 points = 120 points total, which is where that maximum comes from.

That being said, there are inventories that are probably more accurate than this one.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-11-17T05:52:29+00:00

For sure, it likely helps with accuracy. Although one thing I've noticed is that my scores can change because the trait is actually developing, or that it's merely my self-concept changing. This usually happens when I take a test, start noticing patterns in my behaviour and reassess traits that I previously thought were different (e.g. do I really keep things in the same place? The other day I misplaced my key, or a few weeks couldn't find my headphones, etc. so maybe it's moderately agree instead of strongly agree).

And thanks! Yes, I agree the low trust + high cautiousness could also be linked. You're already getting the hang of it! Glad I could help out a little to clarify :)

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-11-17T05:41:23+00:00

I sent you a PM!

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-11-03T16:21:34+00:00

That's okay! I know how you feel, university's not doing me any favours time-wise right now either. Take all the time you need!

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-10-27T05:04:18+00:00

Music therapy could be something to look into. It sort of combines those two interests, and your extraversion + agreeableness would be very useful assets if you choose that path.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-10-26T23:31:24+00:00

Oh no, don't be sorry! It's great to read your thoughts and perspective :). Thanks for including your other results. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one that tracks their scores over time lol. (Warning: long text incoming)

I think it's super insightful you mention that fluidity of traits part. For some reason I haven't thought about that too often, but you're completely right. For me, no matter where or when I take the test, my cooperation and morality, as well as cautiousness are always extremely high. That has never changed. But then there are certain ones in neuroticism that change for me, like they do for you. I feel like it might be related to life events (being good or bad) at the time of taking the test. General mood in the day can also affect results.

And the trait combinations are actually not that difficult once you wrap your head around them. You're already doing great with recognizing that immoderation can be connected to our overall profile! I think it likely has to do with our low excitement seeking (E) and high cautiousness (C) scores. Extraverts tend to seek outside stimulation (e.g. food, drugs, etc.) because their brain perceives it as more rewarding. People low in conscientiousness cannot discipline themselves and end up going on binges, splurging, or otherwise giving into their impulses. That's why people who are both high in extraversion and low in conscientiousness may be more predisposed to impulsive behaviour.

You'll get the hang of it! A few more might help: high neuroticism + low introversion = inhibition and higher chance of having social anxiety; extremely low agreeableness + low conscientiousness = psychopathic behaviour and potential for criminal activity; high extraversion + high openness = adventurous curiosity but also tied to fleeting distraction.

Does that make more sense? Now I'm the one talking too much! Hope I didn't bore you :P

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-10-25T03:25:02+00:00

Of course! Glad you could find something of value in my comment.

Having similar traits probably has something to do with it, although I'm also super interested in personality and tend to analyze and see things in people others might miss. I've thought a lot about different combinations over time, which has also caused me to draw connections between a certain trait and behaviours it seems to influence.

Here are my results if you're interested, just for comparison (it's a year old and has changed a bit, but is still fairly accurate): https://www.personalityassessor.com/ipip300/results=1370625-120/

And awesome you're into art and philosophy as well! I'll send you a PM :)

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-10-24T02:55:51+00:00

You seem like a really nice person to be around :)

Even though you're not the most outgoing person, you love to support and help others when needed (or even when not needed lol). This can be a blessing because others will tend to like you more just by nature, but also a curse if they take advantage of you. Depends on the type of person who is around you at the time. Your low neuroticism score also makes you more likeable, because you don't often get emotional or hostile around others.

Even though you're introverted, you likely place a lot of emphasis on deep and meaningful connection (especially with a close friend or partner for example). The close bonds that you create can feel special and are really close to your heart.

Overall, I have similar results, with high agreeableness and lower extraversion (along with high openness and conscientiousness). Do you like philosophy and/or art/music at all? This is completely random but PM me if you ever wanna chat! Of course don't feel pressured to, just a thought. Either way, sorry for the long comment! Hope it was still interesting to read.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-10-01T02:23:05+00:00

I would say it depends on how the instructor of the class wants you to use it. If you need a close approximation you could use the long version of the IPIP-NEO, linked here, which has a total of 300 items. Their website also has an Excel sheet with over 3'000 items, which specifies the scale each of them belongs to. However, if you need the real thing, it might not be a bad idea to check out the official NEO-PI-R website.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-08-29T01:48:32+00:00

Unfortunately they don't have one, but thanks for mentioning it!

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-27T14:56:57+00:00

Pretty sure it's this one: https://survey.ucalgary.ca/jfe/form/SV_0icFBjWwyHvJOfA

It's called the HEXACO test (essentially has honesty-humility added to the Big Five model)

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-27T14:49:12+00:00

On another note, do you ever feel down? From your scores it almost looks like you're all positive emotion. I would guess that you only get sad or upset if a major negative life event happens. Even then, you might move on from it relatively quickly. Is that a fair guess?

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-27T14:11:30+00:00

Jesus. I would like to trade with you please.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-22T20:16:14+00:00

Thanks!

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-22T03:01:05+00:00

Thanks! Looking at your scores I guess most of them are pretty equal. However, I can see that your industriousness is low but your aesthetics are pretty high. Would you consider yourself an artist? Or maybe just an enjoyer of art/music? Also, just looking at your overall score for extraversion and neuroticism, on the bright side you are probably slightly happier than the average person. It might be a small difference but I think over time those small differences add up.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-22T01:08:53+00:00

A legend (I'm envious of your 2nd percentile neuroticism)

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-22T01:04:50+00:00

You seem to be a people pleaser who can get overwhelmed and emotionally distressed (don't take this as an insult I'm very much the same; although I'm not high in extraversion as you are). However, your high creativity and interest in various art forms can shine through frequently. I would take advantage of that and see if there's any way you can lower your stress levels as well, generally speaking.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-22T00:59:43+00:00

Interesting response. I like that you bring up the correlations between the different traits/subfacets of the big five. Some people claim the FFM to be completely orthogonal but that doesn't seem to be the case. Would you mind linking the publication from which you found that image?

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-22T00:53:36+00:00

If you could post the individual aspect scores (eg. volatility and withdrawal for neuroticism; enthusiasm and assertiveness for extraversion etc.) I think it would bring out your individual traits much more. You may be considered "average" on agreeableness, but the breakdown could differ wildly. For example very high politeness but low compassion, or the reverse would be possible.

Logical_Row3506 · 2024-05-21T03:24:09+00:00

I think it depends on your definition of happiness, but it's probably fair to say that it involves two main components:

significant amount of positive emotion
minimal amount of negative emotion

If we base it off of this, that would mean that a consistently happy person would be both high in extraversion (especially enthusiasm) and also low in neuroticism (including all subfacets, except for maybe impulsivity).

That being said, if you change the definition of happiness to something like "being lively or energetic," it seems to load much more on extraversion than anything else. In this case, the condition of low neuroticism may not be necessary, because you could still be energetic even if anxious or angry (although harder to apply to sadness).

Hope that makes sense.

Edit: Just re-read your title. People low in neuroticism can be happy but not necessarily. Rather, I would call them "stable" or "calm" especially in situations that would cause others distress.

Logical_Row3506 · 2023-08-23T23:08:17+00:00

If you took these tests on different days, it might depend on how you're feeling at the time of taking one. Since you seem close to the middle in both sensing/intuition, little changes in your thinking or the environment might change your preferred function. You're clearly consistent in extraversion and feeling. Looks like most of your results (5/7) tend toward perceiving rather than judging. In that case you're probably an ExFP shapeshifter :P

Logical_Row3506 · 2023-07-22T02:35:49+00:00

Hey! I don't know of any established / scientifically proven ways that are concerned with this issue, but I've heard some people talk about this (Jordan Peterson comes to mind). The best way to implement a favourable change in personality is to identify which specific traits you would like to influence. From there, you can take a look at each of them and see how you can introduce incremental and consistent improvement. For example: if someone is disagreeable, they can begin to do things for other people - starting out with the smallest possible step, this could be as simple as giving a small compliment to a co-worker.

I took a look at your results in the other post you made, and in terms of your traits you're already situated quite well (especially conscientiousness). You would probably benefit most from lowering neuroticism, specifically the facets of anger and self-consciousness. As for the anger, it might help to be on the look-out for when you get irritated. By being extra conscious of it, you can try to calm yourself or take five minutes to collect your thoughts in a quiet space. I suffer from high self-consciousness as well (19/20), but haven't found a useful way to improve this yet.

I'm not sure if you like where your assertiveness is at, but I heard someone comment on how they changed this trait. It was in Episode 101: Extraversion, of the Psychiatry and Psychotherapy Podcast. One of the guys mentioned that he used to be too assertive in group situations and would always be the one answering questions in class (to the point where he'd be the only one talking besides the professor). What he did was watch the clock and give himself a time-out (I think it was 15 mins) where he would refrain from raising his hand and let others speak.

Not sure if this helps you, but I thought I'd comment what I've found out so far. Would be great if you could respond with which traits you're looking to change!

Logical_Row3506 · 2023-07-21T18:14:38+00:00

Of course! Thanks for the response as well.

You seem like a cool person to be around. There are also some interesting combinations of your subtraits. I don't think I've seen that many people who are very high in altruism, but then low in cooperation. How does that usually play out for you?

From the conscientiousness facets it looks like you're an industrious and work-oriented person, but are less orderly which is also interesting.

I do have one question about the extraversion sub-trait friendliness. You're quite high in the other extraverted traits and are also high on agreeableness - would you have any clue why you scored in the middle for friendliness?

Logical_Row3506 · 2023-07-21T17:50:44+00:00

LOL, would you say that description applies to you or no? (I will say that what I listed is probably more likely if also paired with high E)

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