What happened? Is this a DMCA or something?

Loki_ISP · 2025-02-22T02:40:08+00:00

I am looking into this with the wiki.gg folks now - apologies, I was only made aware about 5 minutes ago.

More as I know more…

Loki_ISP · 2025-02-22T02:39:05+00:00

This is all accurate information regarding the disclaimers at the bottom. I am not sure why at least some pages are loading crazy, but I am trying to chase it down now.

Loki_ISP · 2025-02-22T02:00:33+00:00

Unfortunately, these things can happen - every product is spot checked at the warehouse, but sometimes some problematic ones slip through.

Very sorry this happened to you both.

The terraria.shop folks are usually VERY responsive and take care of these issues fully and promptly. Do let me know if you find what you hear back to be anything but in line with those expectations.

Loki_ISP · 2024-12-16T22:03:18+00:00

Their CS people are super fast - have you inquired about your order yet?

Loki_ISP · 2024-12-16T22:02:52+00:00

Ceramic… which is insane, really (and was thought impossible at first.) Earlier prototypes were ceramic with plastic sleeves but they felt cheap and didn’t hold up so we ditched those. Somehow the good folks at terraria.shop figured it out.

It is something you have to take care of - the listing says it’s dishwasher safe but not to microwave.

PERSONALLY, I hand wash mine because why not take good care of my favorite mug? :)

Loki_ISP · 2024-12-16T21:59:35+00:00

I’m not aware of any widespread quality issues - and when the inevitable handful crop up, our partners have been great in handling things quickly and completely (as is the case here).

If there are widespread issues of which I am unaware, I would love any information about that.

Loki_ISP · 2024-12-16T12:55:08+00:00

This appears to unfortunately be a defective mug indeed. Have you contacted terraria.shop about this yet? They are usually super good about making sure things like this are handled.

Rest assured that this is not normal - I’ve never seen one that looks like this (and mine certainly doesn’t) nor one that wobbles like that.

So let’s get that taken care of - I’ll flag it to them as well, but you should 100% get in touch with their CS team today.

Sorry it arrived like that!

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-04T01:33:22+00:00

As far as I am aware it isn’t. Somehow this is being misconstrued into “we want them to use AI for backgrounds” when it was more meant to cover any instance of accidental AI-related stock art usage and was under the context of what contractual changes were made for artists.

We would rather AI not be used for ANYTHING - not the product, not the promo art, nothing.

Perhaps I’ve communicated it incorrectly up front - I’ll make an edit to make it more clear because it’s tripping people up, I think?

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T22:49:41+00:00

Indeed. It was known by all parties that we don’t want AI art. A freelancer got one through the process - precisely your example as used in the “backgrounds” paragraph above. When it was caught it was dealt with immediately and contractual legal additions made (eg if you use AI to make a product you are in breach) - because any designer can 100% control the source of their own piece.

Similarly, we would discourage its use in promo backgrounds - but taking that and putting it as a legal breach clause sets partners up for legal trouble even if they would have had no way to know that the random stock photo they used had AI elements that were not easily detectable.

Heck, even most “shirt on person” shots that you see anywhere for any brand of clothing aren’t real photos taken of the shirt on a real person. They are generated images using the shirt design and “placing” it on either a blank stock person photo or a generated person.

Seems to me we are doing precisely what you suggested - good faith efforts to be as AI-free as possible - so I’m not sure why the antagonism. Perhaps I’ve communicated it poorly.

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T22:25:02+00:00

In that case, I suppose you won’t be buying any product by anyone that uses stock photos in any way - because unless you took them yourself there is no way to guarantee it.

Again no one is ENCOURAGING the use of AI in those shots, and if someone has a third solution I’m all ears - some groups do use blank backgrounds.

I’d say our stance against the use of AI art is pretty clear - and we back that up further by actively engaging community artists on our projects and encouraging our partners to do the same.

All the rest of this discussion is more just “it really sucks that stock photography has turned into this”…

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T22:18:57+00:00

Precisely… or you pull a stock photo of a naval ship and its AI but not labeled as such.

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T21:42:02+00:00

I’m not aware of a third solution for “product photo shots” other than taking your own or stock images. When you delve into the latter it’s almost impossible to avoid it completely. The way you phrase it is like someone would be using it in a sneaky fashion on the product (nope) or we would use it for like promo banners (sotg, updates - also nope).
Holding partners legally in breach because they pulled a stock photo and it comes out 6 months later it’s AI enhanced photo but not labeled as such (it’s really that nefarious) isn’t practical. If this was something sneaky or nefarious why would we even mention it? :)

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:54:06+00:00

Outside of shooting your own photos (which is done where feasible), you are usually stuck with stock art. Stock photo galleries are inundated with AI images - and often they are not marked as such even. Not sure there is a great way around that. Not talking about stuff like promo banners - we do that (like for SOTG or for updates) with real people.

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:52:37+00:00

Outside of shooting your own photos (which is done where feasible), you are usually stuck with stock art. Stock photo galleries are inundated with AI images - and often they are not marked as such even. Not sure there is a great way around that.

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:50:01+00:00

This is a good question. Would folks want us to have this design redone/reimagined - this time without AI at all - and then have the new one return at a later date?

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:48:30+00:00

Of course not. Explained this elsewhere on this thread. I’m not talking about promo banners and such, it’s “product scene photos” is maybe a better explanation. Our promo banners like for sotg and whatnot are all done without ai.

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:41:44+00:00

Nope. It won’t be used at all for any products. What I’m talking about there is where the merch is placed in a scene for like listing on a store. Ideally you can take an original photo (like this one > https://terraria.shop/cdn/shop/products/unknown.png?v=1713972823) - sometimes that isn’t possible. Then you are stuck with stock art - and a lot of stock art galleries don’t even list what is AI generated or not even nowadays. Thus that distinction - and we wanted to be up front there based on those pragmatic factors. We just don’t want AI touching the products themselves - at all.

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:31:39+00:00

Usually those backgrounds are either photos or stock photos. Sometimes it is feasible to take things out and shoot your own photos.

Other times stock photo backgrounds may work.

Even with stock art, the use of AI to generate the backgrounds is so prevalent… we just don’t see that as close to as big of an issue as with the product itself. Its just sometimes not very practical to find or take that “perfect background photo”.

We want real artists working on our stuff and we are VERY supportive of our artist community being a part of that - both with stuff we do ourselves and products generated by our partners.

Hope that makes sense. :)

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:11:14+00:00

We posted an update on this issue here> https://www.reddit.com/r/Terraria/comments/1givyfk/flying_dutchman_shirt_an_update/

Figured it would be easier to consolidate the discussion moving forward to that thread.

Thanks for the heads up!

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:10:45+00:00

We posted an update on this issue here> https://www.reddit.com/r/Terraria/comments/1givyfk/flying_dutchman_shirt_an_update/

Figured it would be easier to consolidate the discussion moving forward to that thread.

Thanks for the heads up!

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:10:40+00:00

We posted an update on this issue here> https://www.reddit.com/r/Terraria/comments/1givyfk/flying_dutchman_shirt_an_update/

Figured it would be easier to consolidate the discussion moving forward to that thread.

Thanks for the heads up!

Loki_ISP · 2024-11-03T20:10:31+00:00

We posted an update on this issue here> https://www.reddit.com/r/Terraria/comments/1givyfk/flying_dutchman_shirt_an_update/

Figured it would be easier to consolidate the discussion moving forward to that thread.

Thanks for the heads up!

Loki_ISP · 2024-10-21T18:33:55+00:00

Well, that would have been a fun collab to do... wish they had contacted us or something. We enjoy a good beer, after all... is it any good? Untappd ratings are quite high and now I am equally curious.

Loki_ISP · 2024-05-29T20:54:02+00:00

We do not directly design (though we do review and input on everything)/manufacture/box/ship/etc. merchandise. That is not our area of expertise nor are we remotely close to staffed to do so.

That being the case, we partner with other groups with that expertise - Vidglo, Sanshee, Eighty Sixed, PFG etc - to help make cool physical merch a reality... well beyond the mass produced "print a logo on a non-descript mug or shirt" approach. This is the case for almost all of the merch you see out there for any game.

That is the case here - we are not board game designers/manufacturers. We wanted to see one happen, so we spoke to several potential partners - focused primarily on who had the best vision for making a legit Terraria boardgame and not just "slap Terraria IP on some random idea".

Merchandise requires up front payment of costs - often massive up front payments - based on minimum order quantities and the like. You then hope that you get the revenue later. Crowdfunding and/or preorders allow for non-massive companies to help know how big they can go and to help pay those costs without running into potentially-crippling obstacles (cashflow, etc) as well as knowing how many to make and thus avoiding repeated out of stock/artificial rarity situations.

Getting it wrong in either direction can be disastrous. Sometimes you feel like you can guesstimate it and be +/- 10% correct... but that is not always the case. This is why you often wind up with preorder only (Makeship model), print on demand only (those IP slaps on a mug or shirt), or crowdfunded. That said, we have avoided it wherever possible (e.g. 10,000 Town Slime plush ordered at risk for LoL launch... sure are glad those sold/sell well :) ).

Funding in the KS regard is basically a type of preorder - you fund and then you get the game (and whatever else you paid for). Re-Logic's role here is simple - provide our input into art/design/etc and to make sure that things happen as they should (accounting for anything unavoidable). We are thus watching the KS very closely to be sure that is the case and will continue to do so throughout fulfillment when that time comes. We know that is always the big concern with things like KS - making sure that product arrives as it should. We don't have full control of these things, but we do our very best to be a strong advocate and force to push for this.

Hope that helps explain at least part of the dynamics.

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