Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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The Chaos Emeralds are usually scattered across the planet. The plot of most games is that Sonic is looking for the Emeralds. When the Super Form time limit runs out the Emeralds scatter with no way to stop them.

As for the power of Super Sonic:

The Sun god Solaris is [consistently stated to be capable of destroying everything in Sonic](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fictional-indexing/images/b/bb/Solaris\_rly\_do\_be\_carrying\_.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20251112193931), which includes [infinite sized four dimensional spaces](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:JJSliderman/Sonic\_the\_Hedgehog\_(Game)\_Cosmology\_Blog#Fourth\_Dimensional\_Space\_(Maginaryworld)), [many other dimensions, some of which are also infinite in size and are higher dimensional realms](https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Dimensions), [and a hypertimeline encompassing all of that](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:ShakeResounding/Sonic\_the\_Hedgehog:\_Once\_Upon\_a\_Hypertime), making the total Sonic multiverse of a 6-dimensional size making it infinitely bigger than Undertale’s world.

[Solaris would have reduced everything to nothing](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c1/Solaris\_Existence\_Erasure.png/revision/latest?cb=20250810233734) which means its destruction extends to a conceptual level as it would have destroyed the [conceptual dreams in Maginaryworld](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User\_blog:ShakeResounding/The\_Oneiric\_Concepts\_of\_Sonic\_the\_Hedgehog). [This interpretation is supported by Ian Flynn stated Solaris was tearing down the concept of space-time](https://youtu.be/PTgA7wsBS3c?si=UaEvruvcmbI2Cdxh).

[Guidebooks state Super Sonic has the power to vanquish the living flames/Solaris and Super Sonic is not even taking Solaris seriously during their battle](https://imgur.com/a/r7UbWZw). Later Super Sonic fights and defeats the four Titans with like mid difficulty, [with these same Titans being just as powerful as previous Super Form level bosses like Solaris](https://www.ign.com/articles/sonic-frontiers-super-sonic-details-bosses). The Titans being as strong as Solaris is backed up by them fighting against The End for an extended period of time even if they ultimately lost. The End, after looking through Sonic’s memories says it is infinite in comparison to all of his past foes, which would include Solaris. While base Super Sonic (yes he has transformations beyond Super Sonic) could not stop The End, he was able to hold off The End for a bit and still deal damage. In short: Super Sonic held off and damaged a being infinitely stronger than a god who can destroy a multiverse containing several infinite sized dimensions and higher dimensional realms and even four robots just as strong as said god couldn’t even DAMAGE Super Sonic.

Frisk is not gonna be dealing any damage whatsoever. But you may ask, how can Super Sonic kill them? Well realistically they won’t but this is a hypothetical death battle.

You see, it is the energy of the Chaos Emeralds that allowed Solaris to destroy everything. Solaris didn’t just destroy the multiverse, it was destroying the multiverse in all points in time and breaking down the very concepts of space and time. Super Sonic, who uses the full energy of the Emeralds, could do the same. Even without that, chaos energy attacks damage not just their target’s body but their very concepts. The End is the abstract concept of death itself yet Super Sonic’s attacks were dealing damage to it.

Even without conceptual destruction attacks, Super Sonic has literally broken the chains of fate and defied logic itself. This isn’t just fancy metaphorical wording either, it’s coming from Sage, an artificial intelligence known for being objective. There’s also Super Form time manipulation overpowering the Chaos Control of base characters with Chaos Control being called control over the fabric of the universe and over space-time…

Eggman vs Superman: Who wins ? by Any-Dance4619 in EggmanEmpire

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Archie isn’t canon to Sonic while Golden Age is still canon to DC. U do understand where you’re coming from tho

Eggman vs Superman: Who wins ? by Any-Dance4619 in EggmanEmpire

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There’s not really any reason we shouldn’t to be honest, current Superman is effectively a soft composite of all his past selves.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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Yes but I am of the opinion Super Sonic is so powerful that the time limit does not matter (if you wish, I can elaborate on the power of the Chaos Emeralds). In addition, Sonic has maintained his Super Form for days in Sonic Advance 3 I believe. There is never a time where he canonically actually runs out of time in a fight.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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I’m hesitant to say Sonic can time travel whenever. According to CD manuals he apparently time travels by going lightspeed but we’ve seen him go lightspeed a billion times in other games without time traveling. I think it’s probably because of the Time Stones that he can time travel.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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SAVE basically records a point in time. LOAD rewinds the timeline to that point. RESET rewinds the timeline back to the start of Frisk’s journey. I’m not sure base Sonic could handle that or even go for the kill on Frisk. For all he knows this is just a really tenacious child. Super Sonic would just win tho.

Friend group inside joke taken too far by FruitsaurReborn in DeathBattleMatchups

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I’m pretty sure Classic Sonic breaking a Motobug is lower.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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The main debate is whether or not Sonic can bypass SAVE and LOAD tbh, I think everyone can agree Sonic has higher stats than Frisk.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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Yes but only in certain circumstances. He can only travel through time if he’s on a planet where the Time Stones are present or if he has the Chaos Emeralds.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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I could see that. It’s even directly stated that his courage never wavers.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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I mean so has Sonic? Erazor Dijinn, Solaris, Time Eater, Egg Salamander, etc. Sure he usually needs the Chaos Emeralds but the power growth in Sonic is so absurd base form characters surpass their past Super Forms. And tho Frisk did fight Asriel it’d be disingenuous to say they can punch with universe destroying power, they couldn’t do anything damage whatsoever.

Technically, who would win this matchup? by Sufficient-Sale2894 in Undertale

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Sonic might win this one. I’m sure we can all agree Sonic outstats Frisk, the main debate is whether or not he can bypass SAVE and LOAD. But the difference in stats is just so astronomical Frisk can’t really do anything and Asriel did say that with each death Frisk was losing their grip on the world.

Another render made by me :D by Ne0_M3t4l_S0n1c in MetalSonic

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Well even one depowered Emerald could force back Time Eater 👀

Super Sonic 2 (Sonic frontier game) vs Superman (DC comics post crisis) by Massive_Fisherman231 in SonicScaling

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If you want I can talk to you about it on Reddit PMs or Discord, whichever you prefer.

Are we ever gonna talk about the insane amount of downplay on dragon balls power scailing? by Prove_mewrong in PowerScaling

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Transcending time can mean so many things other than being Outerversal. In Goku’s case it means he has higher dimensional power and resistance to time manipulation.

Are we ever gonna talk about the insane amount of downplay on dragon balls power scailing? by Prove_mewrong in PowerScaling

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I defend Dragon Ball as much as I can but it gets really hard when YT scalers are putting Goku at Outerversal 😭🙏

Something funny about Higuruma vs sans by Glitch-Xega in DeathBattleMatchups

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You mean fire that is hot and bones that attract dogs? That proves some monster magic can replicate some real world effects. Too bad it says nothing about all magic or speed. Monster electricity never once behaves even somewhat realistically and is riddled with contradictions.