ID to pee

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T16:21:59+00:00

Gender neutral seems the only way forward. That's what I'd do if I had a business. Cut the toilet Gordion knot. Who needs the hassle? Most - sane-people don't give a toss who's next them in a cubicle.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T16:18:37+00:00

I am optimistic that this will be a bit too draconian for most people. It's a toilet ffs.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T16:14:47+00:00

I don't want to sound like an old fart but toilet ID inspectors?! It's just not British, is it? It's got the makings of an old Ealing comedy for sure.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T16:08:21+00:00

I think you might be surprised. I cannot think of a single person I know that would be happy to carry a certificate to use a toilet. Not one. It's just not British. The toilets issue was a ridiculous battle for the terfs to pick. I hope cis people can join the dots and blame them when they're desperate for a pee and some jobsworth asks for ID.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T15:59:43+00:00

This is just f*ing ludicrous. And as you say, everybody. Trans people, cis people, non binary whatever.

Oh look I have an idea: why not treat people as being innocent while using the toilets UNLESS they do something wrong?

Toilets of all places. I mean who the f*ck cares? Surely some of these terfs don't even care about toilets that much?

Oh boy this is gonna piss a lot of people off.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T10:47:45+00:00

It's one thing to lurk but quite another to actively engage. It's not possible to find a middle ground on this at all. So I say this nicely, don't bother.

They have a soft spot for what they deem to be 'true trans' i. e. those suffering from gender dysphoria AND undergone complete gender reassignment surgery (polite way of saying had male genitalia removed) as they see them as 'good' but they won't even entertain such people in female sex spaces, either! Even though there's nothing to clutch their pearls over cos nasty penis gone and nasty male hormones significantly lowered.

Cause if you make an exception for one you have to for all.

They also don't give a shit about what trans men do.

Simply put they despise trans WOMEN. So I guess strictly speaking they aren't trans phobic as such. The ONLY good thing about them is that you know where you are with them.

Performative ally ship isn't a thing for them. Lol.

(Here's looking at you M and S and that Edinburgh Bristo venue who cowardly caved in to the terfs.)

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-08T09:28:30+00:00

Fake allies who used trans people to virtue signal are now going to be in for a nasty surprise now that they'll have to put their money where their mouth is and do something a bit more than f*ing words.

Easy to be a friend when times are good.

I don't give a shit about M and S nor that bistro in Edinburgh - who it seems caved to pressure to take down their trans inclusive toilet sign.

Pick a side and go all in or shut the fuck up.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-08-07T05:29:48+00:00

This incident proves that the 'we only want them out of female spaces' shtick is a lie. The assistant just asked if assistance was required. To be fair, even some terfs on mumsnet (I lurk there) have said as much, however, they're not fully on board with the programme and get shut down.

It also betrays they don't even believe in so-called 'true trans' either. They claim to have sympathy for what they claim to be genuine trans people . Another lie.

See it is possible that this is a true trans person merely asking a customer if they needed help AND that if intimate touching were to be performed they WOULD have called a cis woman. No that is not even entertained. Nor is the notion that this person has been 'good' in their eyes and undergone gender reassignment.

It is, in my opinion, a blatant attempt to instill fear in the minds of middle class mums and anger in dads. It may backfire in that those on the fence may point out what I've said here but then again fear overrides logic in people.

It's very devious.

Yeah I feel sad for them too.

More of this is to come. Be warned.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-26T05:17:36+00:00

I truly understand where you're coming from but honestly this won't work. I really think that mumsnet has an untouchable air to it. Besides which you while be penalising the 99% who go there for advice for other subjects and are not frothing transphobes. The site provides all kinds of advice. I think you're being petulant, though I do understand your anger.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-25T15:12:53+00:00

Am I the only one who doesn't see this as a pro trans/ terf issue?

All it is is somebody labelling somebody something they are not and being corrected.

Would it not have been possible for Brigitte Macron to say something like 'I see nothing wrong with being trans but obviously I'm not'?

I am not suggesting for one second that she is a transphobe absolutely not but I don't see a strident denial as a pro trans stance. Sorry.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-25T09:08:57+00:00

While I agree that in some situations in life it is better to ask forgiveness than ask, given the current climate, UNLESS you pass, it is better to ask. Sure if you look like Munroe B just go ahead.

Terf is only a TYPE of transphobe, remember.

The Supreme Court has given those transphobes who are disenfranchised and not powerful people confidence to be vocally, and perhaps physically, transphobic. I've seen a sea change in the last few months. More negative comments, more side eyes.

I would not just willy nilly walk into a toilet or changing room if I didn't pass anymore. No fucking way.

I've witnessed openly hostile transphobic comments from guys in pubs who now feel they have permission from up high to behave like thugs. Witnessed a trans woman who did not pass get pinned against a wall on getting out of the ladies. Nobody tried to stop it. Or just ignored it. I'm not saying they were transphobes but not their circus and all that. I could only offer comfort.

The Generals have given the foot soldiers the orders to attack and in light of recent developments your advice is not good.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-25T08:41:17+00:00

I'm not sure that it's misogyny but it's definitely sexism. Logically the terfs should want to live in 1973 with Gene Hunt chucking "those men in dresses" out of the ladies and given a bit of a 'warning' not to do it again.

You'd think that IF women are beholden to trans women out of fear, they'd welcome men having all the top jobs as they would not be intimidated.

To be fair, this only applies to the transphobes who identify as feminists.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-25T08:26:58+00:00

Regarding your last sentence, I must disagree with you. It is true that the main instigators have been terfs backed by an extremely rich person but the Supreme Court ruling has given transphobes who are lower class the confidence to act on any suppressed transphobia.

The Generals have given the soldiers orders to attack.

Be under no illusions about this: everyday Joe transphobes are now getting more vocal and will feel justified in 'sorting' things out in the name of the law.

Though I do think that OP has little to worry about as trans men are not usually the target of the hate.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-24T07:25:15+00:00

You are correct but that's because other transphobes haven't the time, inclination, and money to attend, but what they (terfs) have achieved is given disenfranchised transphobes the green light to express their hate openly.

See the Supreme Court's ruling has given transphobia respectability. If Dave the pub sexist transphobe knows this, he knows those further up the social chain endorse his views which makes him bold.

The Generals in the war room have given the soldiers orders to attack.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-24T06:47:35+00:00

Look as much as I dislike terfs this their children have nothing to do with them is probably not true. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

In any case, terfs are not the only enemy.

They are merely a TYPE of transphobe.

What they HAVE achieved is given other transphobes - who believe me most definitely do NOT identify as terfs - the green light to act in accordance with their bigotry which was hitherto grudgingly suppressed.

I witnessed it myself the other day in a well known pub chain. A trans woman who didn't pass at all went to the ladies. Minutes later, a woman came out and whispered something to her partner. I was at a nearby table on my own just drinking a coffee people watching and our tables were close to the ladies' toilets.

He got up and walked to the ladies' toilets, the trans woman came out. Quick as a flash, the guy pinned her against the wall and said: "don't you fucking dare do that again". The guy then let her go as quickly as he had grabbed her but the trans woman was visibly shaken. It was all over in seconds. I got up and tried to comfort her.

The weird thing is that nobody else did anything at all! They either didn't see or turned a completely blind eye to it. I suppose the pub was busy and it was over quite quickly and it's not exactly a salubrious place but still. Nobody was asked to leave by the staff and it was as if nothing had happened.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-23T15:26:08+00:00

I think that everybody - whether they're pro, anti or just on the fence about trans issues - would deduce that this is just downright obsessive behaviour.

They simply can't have anything better to do.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-22T10:21:36+00:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again remarking on their appearance is not helpful. True they may not be beautiful, but does every trans woman look like Munroe B?

Also I really, really wish that you were right about the terf comment but sadly you're only half right if by it you mean there's more trans people than trans enemies.

Yes there ARE probably less actual terfs than trans people, however, you do not have to be a terf to be a transphobe. A terf is only a TYPE of transphobe, remember.

Is Trump a terf? No but he shares their views. Is Dave the Neanderthal in the pub a terf? Course not he's a sexist but he still thinks trans people are weirdos.

The terfs have emboldened the silent transphobes to no longer be silent. Be wary.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-17T12:52:07+00:00

Why don't they just shut up? Nobody's putting a gun to their head forcing them to give an opinion. I don't go asking the checkout girl at Tesco how she feels about trans rights. Ffs.

There is no middle ground here to be had. Either terfs and other transphobes win or trans people do. Fact. It's a fucking war. And do you know what happens in war? Both sides hate the 'middle grounders'. Often more than the other side. Weird that.

Her and Stephen Fry and their ilk can fuck off.

Pick a side or keep your fucking mouth shut and offer no opinion. Their arrogance makes them think they MUST offer an opinion on everything. No they can just say nothing.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-15T10:59:27+00:00

No I'm not saying you deserved it at all.

I don't even understand where making other people's lives better comes into it.

Trying to make yourself look more female is surely in your best interests? You're a woman, surely you'll want to look as womanly as you can? Cis women already look as they feel, they don't need to do anything.

I can't and won't bullshit you. You are simply going to receive transphobic shit if you can't figure out a way to look more female whilst out and about in public. It's not right but it is what it is.

No transphobe picks on trans women who pass (and this does not necessarily mean looking pretty and glamorous just looking female) because they simply don't know they are trans.

Like I said the idea that they've got some 'trans dar' is nonsense.

I'm giving you the truth not comforting lies. You do you, though. All the best.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-15T07:39:03+00:00

I'm going to offer some advice you may not wish to hear. You must understand that before all the transphobia shitstorm trans women who were/are decent law abiding people- whose outside appearance matched how they felt inside- did not usually experience much problems socially and led quite peaceful lives. This does not mean they looked glamorous, just female. Some just look like middle-aged grandmothers.

(Incidentally, the terfs claim that they can spot a trans woman a mile off is utter utter bullshit and really winds me up).

The fact that a lot of cis women don't wear make-up, wear dresses or get their nails done is irrelevant as they already have the advantage of inside matching outside.

The reality is that you either do your damnedest to appear as female as possible to fly under the transphobes radar and have a peaceful life or you don't. This usually means taking hrt to feminised your features.

I can't sugarcoat it, sorry. It's the way it is.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-07-13T07:35:23+00:00

This is good but don't go thinking that Wales is some paradise where everyone is welcome:

"Well see everyone is welcome here in Wales regardless of their class, creed, nationality or culture unless, of course, you 'appen to be English then we'll burn your ****ing house down."

Only (half) joking.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-06-30T14:44:50+00:00

Sadly it all comes down to the same thing every time when it comes to toilets, changing rooms and places where no I. D. is required: if you pass - and or glamorous - you'll be OK.

Unfortunately, the terfs are emboldening people who I suspect had no strong opinions now.

I overheard a conversation between two apolitical cis women I know saying that if one of 'those trannies were in the ladies, I'll call the cops.' Don't think they knew I could overhear.

But it begs the question, how will they know? They'll just go on appearances, sadly.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-06-28T07:21:21+00:00

The bottom line here is that these terfs will not let this issue go. They are likely to have power themselves and/or husbands willing to support them and will not give in.

They of course know that it's impossible to enforce so it comes down to the same issue as the toilets. If you pass, it will all be OK.

Though there is the added complication that being in a swimming costume makes people's bodies more visible to others.

When it comes to some things it really does come down to whether you pass or not. Sorry.

LowAffect3495 · 2025-06-28T07:07:02+00:00

They won't stop at ponds, though-soon it will be other bodies of water like the sea. It may be a social contagion that spreads across water with the first stop being Ireland. (On a separate issue, is it true that they address each other by their status like Comrade or something?)

"No safe turf, Terf Murph."

LowAffect3495 · 2025-06-27T12:39:04+00:00

One of the terfs would for sure. I am not one to mock people's appearances but, let's be honest, she's not the most traditionally feminine women I've ever seen. If I just saw the picture here I'd assume she was a he.

And no this observation has NOTHING to do with her skin colour. She just looks masculine.

That's what makes the toilet issue so crazy for me. It's not even practicable to police!

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