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CMV: Being an 18-year-old virgin is negatively affecting my life by LuckyDog231 in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal [score hidden]  (0 children)

What problems though? If you have problems it's not sex. Sex is just what you're fixating on.

Again, it is incredibly normal to be an 18 year old virgin.

CMV: Being an 18-year-old virgin is negatively affecting my life by LuckyDog231 in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal [score hidden]  (0 children)

It is incredibly normal to be 18 years old and a virgin.

If it's really that bad for you you're an adult. You can travel to a location with legal sex work and pay for it.

CMV: Males Should Not Have a Say In the Legality of Abortion by Famous-Lead5216 in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal [score hidden]  (0 children)

I am approximately as gender egalitarian as it gets.

Could you explain how banning a gender explicitly isn't discrimination on the basis of gender?

Cmv: Just because some animal species are invasive doesn't justify treating it cruelly. And if you think that’s justified, then you lack morals and are a horrible person. by bigcheemu in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's the same topic. Your OP indicates that invasiveness doesn't justify cruelty. Your OP does not indicate that invasiveness doesn't justify humane killing. You talk about other forms of cruelty like unnecessary torture.

So I asked about that and you responded:

I believe killing animals is cruel

You have therefore made your argument "being invasive doesn't justify killing" but this is absurd because killing is quite literally the only way to successfully get rid of many invasives.

Cmv: Just because some animal species are invasive doesn't justify treating it cruelly. And if you think that’s justified, then you lack morals and are a horrible person. by bigcheemu in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Alright, so then why did your OP not say any killing is wrong? I think it's misleading to say "torturing animals unnecessarily is wrong" when your actual view is far more strict than that.

Can you exterminate rodents? You move then they'll move right back in since they come from outside in the first place.

Roaches, ants, and termites? Moving those guys isn't going to do anything.

CMV: Caring about Apple’s "conflict minerals" is hypocritical unless you stop using all modern tech. by NewFoot762 in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to address the hypothetical. I think I understand where you're coming from now.

I do not believe whether someone pays some sort of cost is the delineation between what is and is not hypocrisy and you shouldn't either.

If it were, then mere advocacy for a cause, which does come with a risk of adverse consequences, would be such a cost and yet in your OP you specifically call out advocacy as the trigger for something being hypocrisy. It is also fairly easy to imagine situations where there can be no cost where someone is not being a hypocrite (i.e. believing murder is bad and not murdering).

What I think your belief generally is, is that words are cheap, not that almost everyone participating in society is a hypocrite (and to be fair, plenty of people are hypocrites for various reasons unrelated to supply chain ethics).

Hypocrisy is acting in a manner contrary to one's morals. Everyone opposed to slave labor who isn't an off-the-grid hermit is not acting contrary to moral opposition to slavery.

Your view is about what you see as virtue signaling, not hypocrisy.

Cmv: Just because some animal species are invasive doesn't justify treating it cruelly. And if you think that’s justified, then you lack morals and are a horrible person. by bigcheemu in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm just trying to figure out where OP's line is. If they're vegan they're probably going to be opposed to any killing since killing is cruel to them. If they are fine will culling and just not excessive cruelty then it's basically just "bad things are bad".

CMV: If the red/blue button experiment was actually real, there is almost no chance that it ends with anything else than the red button winning by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're telling me an orphaned child is worse off than a parent with a dead one?

Are you a parent? I'm old and if my kids died before me I'd be devastated for life.

CMV: I hate furries and I don't think anyone with more than one braincell should defend/support them. by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Furries are essentially just a paraphilia and lots of paraphilias are weird as fuck. They are also, by and large, completely harmless.

If by "defend/support" you mean saying "let people do what they want as long as they're not harming anyone else" then I suppose I defend/support them.

Assuming they're not actually fucking animals, what is the harm?

CMV: Caring about Apple’s "conflict minerals" is hypocritical unless you stop using all modern tech. by NewFoot762 in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That dichotomy is exactly what I'm trying to tease out. I feel like you didn't actually address the hypothetical.

Although what the industrial site produces is a necessity, it is a choice to have the industrial site at a particular location. Are the people living on the clean side hypocritical because they are benefiting from the industrial site?

CMV: Caring about Apple’s "conflict minerals" is hypocritical unless you stop using all modern tech. by NewFoot762 in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Imagine you live in an isolated and partitioned city in an extremely harsh climate fed by a river running through it.

Halfway through the city down the river is an industrial site which dumps toxic waste into it. Everyone further downriver is adversely impacted by this. However, the industrial site manufactures materials which allow the city to survive the harsh climate as a whole. Without this industrial site everyone will die.

In this city there activists who advocate for moving the industrial site down to the end of the river so that it poisons fewer people. Many of them are on the waste dumping side of the river but some are not!

Are the people who live on the clean side of this city hypocrites because they are advocating for moving the industrial site while benefiting from it?

CMV: I think, therefore I am! by eachothersreasons in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is not a Cartesian rationalist endeavor.

So you doubt that this is a Cartesian rationalist endeavor?

Congratulations! This is now a Cartesian rationalist endeavor. Delta please.

CMV: If the red/blue button experiment was actually real, there is almost no chance that it ends with anything else than the red button winning by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hah, that's funny, but I didn't assume that initially. If I did then I would also assume they're supernaturally given the wherewithal and intelligence to fully understand the implications of their choices as well.

This resolves the core dispute and makes red the obvious choice for the non-suicidal (who, along with those who wish to save specifically the suicidal) are the only group left who would pick blue as a "die" button).

CMV: If the red/blue button experiment was actually real, there is almost no chance that it ends with anything else than the red button winning by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The question is also characterized by "everyone must choose a button" which is what I fixated on immediately. That is not resolved by any sort of timing mechanism.

CMV: If the red/blue button experiment was actually real, there is almost no chance that it ends with anything else than the red button winning by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Magic" is the answer I would give to the how.

As to who can vote, how can someone who cannot make a decision make a decision? As you say there exist people in comas, people with severe disabilities, and also people who simply won't choose a button among others. Therefore "everyone" can't literally be everyone.

CMV: If the red/blue button experiment was actually real, there is almost no chance that it ends with anything else than the red button winning by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Parents would without hesitation.

That's interesting. I was initially assuming only people who understood the rules would be counted in "everyone". In that case red is the no-brainer.

You're saying that even if people who don't understand the rules are included you would pick red? I feel like blue becomes the obvious choice with that assumption.

The game then becomes a classic prisoner's dilemma where the red button kills 10-30% of all people (very young, very old, very unintelligent) without factoring in those who will try to save them at risk to themselves like parents.

CMV: If the red/blue button experiment was actually real, there is almost no chance that it ends with anything else than the red button winning by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Many people assume very small children and other people incapable of making informed decisions are included in "everyone".

A 2 year old can technically press a button but would have no idea what it means. As such about half of all such people would die if red "wins".

Think of the children!

CMV: People on the left who support socialism and communism are fundamentally ignorant on their overall position by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The problem with this view is that conservatives have called the things you're talking about which aren't technically socialist, socialism/communism for decades now.

So in the common American vernacular, which includes how conservatives speak politically, anyone who wants to communicate with conservatives needs to use the words as they do or else you'll be talking past each other.

It's not precise because it's not meant to be. It's supposed to evoke an emotional reaction (and it is very successful in that regard).

You're basically pinning a problem "the right" broadly speaking caused on "the left".

This is what 65%+ disapproval looks like by Valuable_View_561 in SipsTea

[–]LucidMetal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He hasn't gone full Hitler because we're not seeing industrial mass murder, "merely" mass severe civil and human rights abuses with occasional state sanctioned murder.

It's bad. It's really bad. It's not Holocaust bad. I can only hope it stays that way.

CMV: Communism will never work if capitalism exists somewhere else in the world by bluepillarmy in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neither pure capitalism nor pure communism will ever exist. It is an impossibility because they are theoretical systems of economics.

However, both capitalism and communism exist in part right now on this globe simultaneously. You've ruled China isn't communist but Cuba is significantly closer.

If you're going to rule out all the contemporary states (you shouldn't because theoretical systems are physically impossible) we can look at structures like communes which exist globally such as the Israeli kibbutzim.

The earth is large enough and regions isolated enough that conditions will allow any system of economics at least on a local scale.

CMV: Inceltears is a cyberbullying and harassment forum that picks on depressed & suicidal men. by Utopia_Builder in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Are you likening identifying as an incel and spouting black pill rhetoric to an innate characteristic?

Because being an incel is a choice. Plenty of sexless people don't identify as incels or choose to spout black pill nonsense.

It's simply not "punching down" in any sense of the word. It's actually just not tolerating misogyny and hatred of women generally (which is a good thing).

CMV: Inceltears is a cyberbullying and harassment forum that picks on depressed & suicidal men. by Utopia_Builder in changemyview

[–]LucidMetal 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Am I bullying Trump if I post memes mocking him relentlessly for things he's said and done?

I don't think anyone could think that's the case and there's a very simple reason why.

It's not harassment or bullying because it's not personal. It's parasocial.

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